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Post by Carls421 on Nov 26, 2012 13:36:08 GMT
First of all good luck with this Carl, and I would be very keen on entering the first 4 pin open. A couple of thought from me.... I think entry should be on a first come first served basis therefore noone can grumble if they don't get in. Guarantee entry to say the first 64, but if interest is in excess maybe look into getting more tables or earlier start time. Not sure how many tables you have hired but I can't see why 96 players can;t be accomodated, indeed we have 108 in the Sussex Open although we do use 12 tables. You won't really know the level of interest until the entries come in. An open should be just that open to anyone- I don't like the idea of qualifiers or restricting 3 or 4 pinners. An earlier start time than 12pm may be a good idea - fix it so the early matches are played by local players to allow the longer travellers more time to get over. As Dave says I have arranged many playing schedules before and I offer my help here if needed when the draw is done to draw up a playing schedule. One question - how long are games in the 4 pin league? Our open format are best of 2 with each game being around 18 minutes. Plate games are best of one until the later stages. Are you planning to have best of 2 games for each match in your open or just best of one as I am not sure having first shot is a massive advantage? Oh Well Ill give up on the smilies then..... Thanks Nigel, I think you're right too, first come first served basis is what I think is the fairest solution and as you guys on here are the most experienced people on organising Opens, I think its best to go with what you say with regard to the Open timings. I hope it won't scupper Milkos plans but we are doing the Plate so it's probably best to start the day earlier to fit everything in. Nigel, our timing for our tables are between 15-20 minutes (whatever the tiners are set as) but 15-20 is the tolerance we go by. Fixing the games that are played so the travelling players play later? Great Idea. Do you think we would have enough time to have a "best of" however many games at the start? If we can then that would be great! The more games people get in, the better as far as I'm concerned! Carl
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Post by milko on Nov 26, 2012 13:49:34 GMT
Ooops, I did my Smilies wrong again...... Is that better? :D Not really.... LOL ;D ;D ;D Just remember not to put a space in before you put the smiley ::) ;D It is now! ;D
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 26, 2012 14:17:07 GMT
I think its best to go with what you say with regard to the Open timings. I hope it won't scupper Milkos plans but we are doing the Plate so it's probably best to start the day earlier to fit everything in. Nigel, our timing for our tables are between 15-20 minutes (whatever the tiners are set as) but 15-20 is the tolerance we go by. Fixing the games that are played so the travelling players play later? Great Idea. Do you think we would have enough time to have a "best of" however many games at the start? If we can then that would be great! The more games people get in, the better as far as I'm concerned! Hopefully the following might give you some ideas on planning some of the timings and may also help you to decide what time you would need to start the competition and what time it is likely to finish.... although times are always only approximate as there are inevitably some delays during the day. The "Main Competition" in all of the existing Opens are played on best of two games basis, with aggregate score determining the winner, Plate games are normally only one game with "equal break" and the winner proceeds to the next round, with the matches switching to two games from either the quarter-finals or semi-final stage onwards. As a rough idea of timings, assuming you have 64 entries and are using 8 tables with a start time of 10am.... 10.00 Main Competition, Round 1 (Series 1) 8 double games 10.45 Main Competition, Round 1 (Series 2) 8 double games 11.30 Main Competition, Round 1 (Series 3) 8 double games 12.15 Main Competition, Round 1 (Series 4) 8 double games 13.00 Main Competition, Round 2 (Series 5) 8 double games 13.45 Main Competition, Round 2 (Series 6) 8 double games 14.30 Plate Competition, Round 1 (Series 7) 8 Single games 14.50 Plate Competition, Round 1 (Series 8) 8 Single games 15.15 Main Competition, Round 3 (Series 9) 8 double games 16.00 Plate Competition, Round 2 (Series 10) 8 Single games 16.25 Main Competition & Plate Competition, Quarter-Finals (Series 11) 4 Double Games in each competition 17.15 Main Competition & Plate Competition, Semi-Finals (Series 12) 4 Double Games in each competition 18.00 Finals, Main & Plate Competition If you wanted to make the Plate Competition Double games all the way through, you would have to allow an extra 20 minutes for each of the "Single Game" rounds shown above. To keep the day moving among to the time schedule, you probably need to ask players to check in about 20 minutes before the scheduled time for each of their games. One thing to remember.... to make the competition as fair as possible for everybody taking part, you do need to try to avoid having the situation where a players plays the same table more than once during the day, so planning your tables must be a major consideration for the organisers. If you need a hand working out a schedule of tables then I am sure that either Nigel, myself or the AEBBA Secretary (Dave) would be happy to help you. ;D PS. Don't give up on the smileys.... we all need smiles in our life! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Carls421 on Nov 26, 2012 14:43:25 GMT
You guys are just showing off with the Smilies..... ;D <<< Did it work??? Hmmmm
Thanks for that BB, Nigel has very kindly offered to sort the timings out for us when the draw has taken place.
But the guide you have written is a great help and gives me a lot better idea of how the day will go now, so thanks again!
Carl
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 26, 2012 14:55:42 GMT
You guys are just showing off with the Smilies..... ;D <<< Did it work??? Hmmmm Thanks for that BB, Nigel has very kindly offered to sort the timings out for us when the draw has taken place. But the guide you have written is a great help and gives me a lot better idea of how the day will go now, so thanks again! Carl No problem Carl, Nigel is very good at working at schedules after (many) years of practice doing them as Tournament Director for AEBBA. ;D Having said that.... he did schedule me for a 10am start at the Bucks Open this year so we had a very early start coming all the way up from the coast in Sussex, while he gave himself a nice lazy morning and a 1pm start coming up from the same area!! :o :'( Next time he does that I will make sure that I give him a lift up to the competition.... :P ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2012 14:59:11 GMT
Yep, BB Warrior's schedule looks pretty good to me also, and with a finish of 7pm allows people a generous amount of time to get home. You could even extend by an hour: 15 minutes at the start for a welcome speech and a 45 minute break between the quarter- and semi- finals for a Raffle.
I have had a look on Streetview and presume that the Silver Rooms is that big funny-shaped building opposite the Cottage, so that "lunch" would be a simple case of nipping across the road ?
I am looking forward to this immensely, and will give your event the publicity it deserves on our local websites.
tommo
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Post by Carls421 on Nov 26, 2012 15:18:06 GMT
Yep, BB Warrior's schedule looks pretty good to me also, and with a finish of 7pm allows people a generous amount of time to get home. You could even extend by an hour, 15 minutes at the start for a welcome speech and a 45 minute break between the quarter- and semi- finals for a Raffle. I have had a look on Streetview and presume that the Silver Rooms is that big funny-shaped building opposite the Cottage, so that "lunch" would be a simple case of nipping across the road ? I am looking forward to this immensely, and will give your event the publicity it deserves on our local websites. tommo Thanks Tommo, and yes, that's the place, the one on the corner. The Cottage pub is my local and will be serving food throughout the day from the kitchen which is inside the Silver Rooms (The funny building) Or of course people can go over the road or visit our other nearby Bar Billiard pubs to eat too. A raffle and a few other things are being arranged for the day too. Once I get things totally finalised I shall be posting an itinerary etc. For example, there will also be a booklet available to take, for maps to get to various places around Norwich (Mainly our other pubs with Bar Billiards tables in) the furthest is only 15 mins walk. In the booklet, there will be vouchers available to take to these pubs for money off beer etc. So keep your eye out. Thanks again everyone for all your tips and advice, I shall post more updates soon! Carl (King of the Smilies again) :o :o ;D ;D 8-) 8-)
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Post by Carls421 on Nov 27, 2012 13:12:21 GMT
Entries confirmed so far, I shall update these entries as soon as I get them in (all entries on this list have returned their entry forms and sent payment) Many Thanks Clive and Margo for being the first!
Away Entries
1. Clive Thompson (Surrey) 2. Margo Thompson (Surrey) 3. Mark James (Sussex) 4. Chris Cass (Suffolk) 5. Dennis Watts (Suffolk 6. Luke Cole-Watts (Suffolk) 7. Kevin Patrick (Suffolk) 8. Ian Gordon (Oxon) 9. Mark Trafford (Oxon) 10. Keith Sheard (Oxon) 11. Stephen Coleman (Northants) 12. Lorin Clough (Northants) 13. Simon Coleman (Northants) 14. Nigel Senior (Sussex) 15. Tony Willis (Oxon) 16. Jon Bamsey (Oxon) 17. Curt Driver (Kent) 18. Gerry Fitzjohn (Kent) 19. Tony Brown (Kent) 20. Mark Brewster (Kent) 21. Dave Lillie (Sudbury) 22. Colin Southouse (Sussex) 23. Graham Rolfe (Suffolk) 24. Melvin Tilbury (Suffolk) 25. Charlie Townsend (Suffolk) 26. David Stiff (Suffolk) 27. Kevin Tunstall (Sussex) 28. Hayley Tunstall (Sussex) 29. Gareth Cornford (Sussex) 30. Jaqi Cornford (Sussex) 31. Roger Taylor (Sussex) 32.
Home Entries
33. Carl Robinson (Norwich) 34. Richard Gay (Norwich) 35. Davina Joly-Nottidge (Norwich) 36. Andy Tomlinson (Norwich) 37. Ben Ackers (Norwich) 38. Becky Lakeman-Turner (Norwich) 39. Charlie Holden (Norwich) 40. Emma Lightfoot (Norwich) 41. Charlie Smith (Norwich) 42. Gary Bunting (Norwich) 43. James Broome (Norwich) 44. Chris James (Norwich) 45. Aaron White (Norwich) 46. Andy Claydon (Norwich) 47. Dave Edwards (Norwich) 48. Graham Lovick (Norwich) 49. Roland Coomber (Norwich) 50. Andrew Fiddler (Norwich) 51. Eamola (Norwich) 52. Reuben Barnham (Norwich) 53. Mick Sharpe (Norwich) 54. Wayne Martin (Norwich) 55. Patrick Smith (Norwich) 56. 57. 58. 59. 60. 61. 62. 63. 64.
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Post by Carls421 on Nov 29, 2012 14:44:57 GMT
Entry List Updated 29th Nov 2012...
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 29, 2012 22:56:53 GMT
hi Carl
Colin Southouse will be attending and I am scared 8-)
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Post by Colemanator on Nov 29, 2012 22:59:08 GMT
I think we may be visiting this open 8-)
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Post by Carls421 on Nov 30, 2012 19:16:55 GMT
Great news!! Look forward to seeing your entry forms!! :)
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Post by milko on Dec 5, 2012 13:52:30 GMT
Looking at the venue I see it was a day care centre and with the cross on the top I take it that it used to be a church, how times change as I've also noticed that another old church up the road is for sale.
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 10, 2012 14:02:02 GMT
I'm not sure if it was a Church or not Milko? The building is 135 Years old so it may have been, it has been used as a community centre for the last 10-20 years though I believe. The council are trying to make it into some kind of rehab centre or something so our local community are trying to buy it for £80,000, so that's one of the reasons we have had to hire it from them. We will be contributing any profit (if any) from the "Open" to the fund so we can use it again.
In other news...
I have updated the list of entries for the Open above, seem to be getting a few in now!
We have decided in our meeting, to open our entries on 4th Jan 2013 at 5pm on a first come first served basis for "Home" Players, purely because there is so much demand, so our list will start to appear after then.
Thanks for all the entries that have come in, I shall go and pay in all the cheques within the next few days.
Many Thanks again!
Carl
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Post by milko on Dec 10, 2012 15:42:10 GMT
My entry & cheque will be in the post tomorrow.
milko
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 10, 2012 15:47:35 GMT
Goodo! :)
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 10, 2012 15:56:32 GMT
We have decided in our meeting, to open our entries on 4th Jan 2013 at 5pm on a first come first served basis for "Home" Players, purely because there is so much demand, so our list will start to appear after then. Just a thought.... if the "home player" entries are going to be shown separately to the other entries, why not let them enter now and if there are more than 32 of them the rest can go on a reserve list and take up any spare spaces that may be available? ;) Most "Opens" are puely run on a first come, first served basis and surely the main reason that you have started the competition is due to interest from your local players there, you shouldn't put them at a disadvantage as that may put them off playing in future..... :-/
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 10, 2012 18:10:07 GMT
We have decided in our meeting, to open our entries on 4th Jan 2013 at 5pm on a first come first served basis for "Home" Players, purely because there is so much demand, so our list will start to appear after then. Just a thought.... if the "home player" entries are going to be shown separately to the other entries, why not let them enter now and if there are more than 32 of them the rest can go on a reserve list and take up any spare spaces that may be available? ;) Most "Opens" are puely run on a first come, first served basis and surely the main reason that you have started the competition is due to interest from your local players there, you shouldn't put them at a disadvantage as that may put them off playing in future..... :-/ We want to get the word around before everyone takes up all the places, not everyone is either on these forums or on our Norwich Bar Billiards Facebook page. The full intention is (like you say) to put a reserve list up then to fill the spaces that are not taken up with the "Away" places, if there are any....
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Post by Chris on Dec 10, 2012 20:59:40 GMT
Is it 23rd/24th March?
Is it just one day or two?
and if so which?
We could do a Saturday but not a Sunday all day to late.
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 22:51:33 GMT
Is it 23rd/24th March? Is it just one day or two? and if so which? We could do a Saturday but not a Sunday all day to late. Chris It's just on the one day, Sat 23rd March. Margo and I are making a weekend of it and will be visiting the Broads and also pub-crawling the Norwich venues on the Sunday. I reckon NewstheJuice will take to 4-pin like a duck to water - extravagant shots off three cushions with lot of side the order of the day, and get in the hole ! ;D It's made for him ! Happy days! ;)
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Post by Ian Gordon on Dec 11, 2012 13:38:42 GMT
Hi Carl
Cheque and form in post today for myself and Mark Trafford.
Thanks
Ian
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 13, 2012 9:02:08 GMT
Entry Form is now on the AEBBA site.
Post code appears to resolve to NR3 4TB rather than NR3 4TU
Sav
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Post by Coleman Jnr on Dec 13, 2012 15:17:35 GMT
Stephen Coleman and Lorin Clough. Cheque and entry form going in post today/tomorrow
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Post by barbelman on Dec 14, 2012 8:32:14 GMT
Tony Willis and Jon Bamsey from Witney would like to play please Carl. Cheque and entry form is fighting it's way through the Xmas post... :D
cheers Tony
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 14, 2012 13:36:29 GMT
Thanks Ian, just got your entry through the door, list updated, I shall update the rest as soon as they come.
Thanks again
Carl
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 14, 2012 17:01:12 GMT
I am currently trying to get discounts on hotels and B+Bs in the area for people that are going to be playing in the Open
I have been in touch with a B+B in Norwich which is central to where all the Bar Billards venues are, and in a really lovely area of the city. Its called "Number 17" Bed and Breakfast. I have spoken to them, but I need to go there on Monday to finalise a discount, so please hold on until I get this sorted ;D
They have 8 rooms in total and normally charge (Before possible discount) per night as follows...
2 Double Rooms £80 3 Twin Rooms £80 2 Family Rooms £120 (But if only 2 people staying they do it for £98) 1 Single Room £52
The added bonus of this B+B is that the owner is a corporate member of a local Golf course at Barnham Broom and can get any budding Golfers for a game with him!!
Like I say I am currently scouting around for good places to stay, so please bear with me.
If that seems a little too expensive then please let me know, I have no Idea of anyone's budgets, or indeed, if thats about right? Let me know.
Cheers!
Carl
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 19, 2012 15:05:45 GMT
Entry List updated 19/12/2012
More B+B and Hotel News hopefully to follow shortly.....
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Post by dipper on Dec 21, 2012 19:14:30 GMT
Hi, I am unable to print out your entry form, the top title prints but nothing else, any ideas ???
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 23, 2012 21:47:03 GMT
Hi, I am unable to print out your entry form, the top title prints but nothing else, any ideas ??? Are you referring to the attachment on here or the form on the AEBBA site pls? Sav
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Post by dipper on Dec 24, 2012 6:39:48 GMT
Hi, its the form on the All England site.
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