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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 24, 2012 8:40:08 GMT
Cannot reproduce the problem here. Which version of Acrobat Reader are you on? mine is 10.1.4.
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Post by dipper on Dec 25, 2012 21:15:27 GMT
Is that the same as Adobe reader, if so I am on 11.0.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 25, 2012 23:18:01 GMT
I've upgraded my Adobe Reader to 11 and do not get the problem, though it takes an age to print. It's a big file and i will try condensing it in the morning.
Sav
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 28, 2012 12:44:04 GMT
If anyone has any problems with the Entry forms, then just send me a quick personal message with your email address and I can send it direct to you if needed
Entry list updated, many many thanks to everyone!
Happy New Year to you all
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Post by daveuk1 on Dec 29, 2012 16:55:41 GMT
I would love to come up and play, but it hard to know where I will be at the time as my work does have a habit of taking me all over the UK.
Is there an itinerary for the event yet?
One thing that worries me a little is that as you are using our rules (Sudbury League) will us Suffolk crew be the only ones who know the rules? and does that mean we will have to reff and score all the matches :-)
I would be happy to help out as long as you give me time to have a beer and food
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 30, 2012 11:58:02 GMT
I would love to come up and play, but it hard to know where I will be at the time as my work does have a habit of taking me all over the UK. Is there an itinerary for the event yet? One thing that worries me a little is that as you are using our rules (Sudbury League) will us Suffolk crew be the only ones who know the rules? and does that mean we will have to reff and score all the matches :-) I would be happy to help out as long as you give me time to have a beer and food Hi, Hope to answer all your questions.... We will have an itinerary when all entries are received and the draw is completed. The "Sudbury" rules that we use are the rules that we (Norwich) use as well, so we can ref games, but as there will be so many games using 8 tables, we will need to utilize as many players as possible to help out with reffing. So your offer of help will be gladly appreciated, Thank you. And don't worry, there will be plenty of time to have breaks for Beer and Food :D Hope that helps Carl
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Post by daveuk1 on Dec 30, 2012 13:36:09 GMT
ok count me in then, I will see if I can drag my brother along, he is like a human calculator.
Is it easier to pay by card or cheque?
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 30, 2012 13:51:32 GMT
ok count me in then, I will see if I can drag my brother along, he is like a human calculator. Is it easier to pay by card or cheque? Excellent! Definately Cheque or cash, everything is on the entry form. Look forward to seeing you! Carl
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Post by daveuk1 on Dec 30, 2012 14:42:24 GMT
My brov says no :-[ same old story whats the point of spennding at least £100 when you may only get to play one game.
i know there are a few of the Sudbury players coming along
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Post by Carls421 on Dec 30, 2012 14:46:49 GMT
My brov says no :-[ same old story whats the point of spennding at least £100 when you may only get to play one game. There is a plate competition too though, so there will be more than one game :D Just received your PM I'll reply to it as soon as I can, I need to go out now. Cheers Carl
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Post by daveuk1 on Dec 30, 2012 16:01:30 GMT
okies, I've just sorted out my penny pot and got 10 pounds so now i just need to find a box so i can post them off to you ;-)
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 3, 2013 14:44:58 GMT
i've been talking to a few players from the Sudbury League and it seems quite a few of them are intending to come up :-) and it seems at least one other player from the team I have been playing for is going
Dont forget Carl is prob a good idea if we can meet up or at least have a chat in the near future
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Post by milhouse on Jan 4, 2013 0:42:49 GMT
It would also help if a set of rules could be posted so that us players who have not played before at least have a fighting chance ;) :)
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 4, 2013 7:43:10 GMT
Rules of Play 1.In all matches, a coin shall be tossed to determine the order of play. The away player to call. 2.To start the game, place the red ball on the spot above the 'D' and play a white ball from the centre of the 'D'. The centre of the 'D' should be marked with a spot. Thereafter, with the exception of further break shots, and the last ball, the cue ball may be played from any position within the confines of the 'D'. All strokes throughout the game must be played from the 'D'. 3.The player must not play the cue ball directly into a hole. The cue ball must first strike another ball to become a scoring shot. 4.When the red ball is sunk, the score of that ball is doubled. The red ball must then be played from the 'D'. 5.When all balls are in play, and none left in the tray, the ball nearest to the baulk line is returned and played from the 'D' to continue the game. If two or more balls are equidistant from the baulk line the ball nearest to the centre should be returned to continue play as it is "nearest to the D". 6.When no balls are left in play, the red and white balls are positioned as for the start of the game. 7.When a ball returns to the baulk area, that ball is removed to the tray. 8.If a peg is knocked over by a ball and cannot be replaced because of obstruction by a ball, that ball shall be removed to the tray. The peg must be replaced to its correct position. 9.If a peg is knocked from its correct position without falling over, it shall remain in that position until the player has concluded his/her break. It will then be replaced correctly. If the ball is touching the peg, and the peg has not been removed from its correct position, that ball shall remain in play, and NOT be removed from the table. 10.If a ball and peg are wedged in a hole together, the peg is to be removed first and the ball allowed to drop down the hole and not returned to the tray even after the gate has dropped. 11.Each player continues until a non-scoring shot is played. 12.Once a player leaves the table their break is deemed over, should a ball fall down a hole after they have left the table this will not count towards their break or their opponents break unless their opponent has first struck the cue ball whether or not it strikes another ball. 13.Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double. 14.The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break. 15.The player, or pair of players in doubles games, with the highest total score at the end of the game, will be deemed the winner/s. In the event of the scores being equal the game will be drawn and each team will be awarded half a game. (One point) each.
Foul Shots 1.The player looses his/her entire score if :-1.The last ball is holed without striking a cushion. 2.The player causes the peg covering the 200 hole to be knocked over.
2.The player looses the score of that break if :-1.The cue ball fails to strike another ball. 2.Any ball returns to the baulk. (The 'D' counts as baulk). 3.The same break shot is played more than three times in succession. 4.The player causes any peg, other than that covering the '200' hole, to be knocked over. 5.The player fails to play the red ball when it is available. 6.Any ball leaves the table, or strikes the backboard, even if that ball returns to the normal play area. 7.Any ball is played other than from the 'D'. 8.The player causes any ball to move other than a shot played correctly from the 'D'. 9.If a break shot or final ball is not played from the centre of the 'D'.
3.If a combination of foul shots occur, then, regardless of sequence of events, the player shall suffer the greater penalty.
Table Rules
•Pegs shall be placed (the baulk line side) to cover the 200 hole, the 100 hole, and the two 50 holes. •The spot for the red ball for the break shall be exactly halfway between the rim of the 200 hole closest to the baulk line, and the baulk line. •The number of balls shall be six white and one red. •Tables must be maintained in good condition, and spare cues and chalk must always be provided.
Hope that helps, They are the rules we use in the Sudbury League.
I dont think there are too many differences apart from.
The same break shot can only be played 3 times in succession. But after the third you can play a mirror image of the previous 3 break shots. i.e red down the left hand 10 hole and white in the RH 50 hole 3 times and then change to red down the RH 10 and white down LH 50 etc.
The red ball must always be used when it is available.
after the Bar has dropped and if there is only one ball remaining this must be played from the centre of the D into ANY hole off any cushion/s. All the Pins are left standing
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Post by barbelman on Jan 4, 2013 8:16:46 GMT
It would also help if a set of rules could be posted so that us players who have not played before at least have a fighting chance ;) :) I have extra pegs for rent at extortionate prices.... ;D ;D ;D Tony
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 4, 2013 8:53:35 GMT
LOL us Suffolk gang are country boys, we dont use pegs we have mushrooms :D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 10:56:43 GMT
LOL us Suffolk gang are country boys, we dont use pegs we have mushrooms :D Take care then that your tents don't blow away! ;D
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 4, 2013 21:24:35 GMT
hmmmm Here in Suffolk we have "MAGIC" mushrooms nothing blows away it just floats around
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 5, 2013 3:51:16 GMT
as it seems alot of 3 pin players will be entering may I change the subject slightly please and ask a question?
after watching some games of 3 pin I need to ask if you are allowed to play push shots? as I noticed alot of the players played what would call a foul especially when they were forced to play up the table.
By push shot I mean prolonged tip-to-cue-ball contact
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 5, 2013 8:48:47 GMT
A "Push Shot" only normally happens when cue ball and object ball are in close proximity and the player hits through the cue ball so that cue, cue ball and object ball are all in contact at the same time. The cue ball follows the object ball instead of bouncing off it. This is often difficult to detect if the player does not admit it.
Either that or accidental double contact with the cue ball.
Push shots are not legal but I have never seen a prolonged contact one playing at a ball some distance up the table. I do see players putting a lot of top or side on a ball to clear a ball near the pegs and this would involve pushing the cue through the ball but it is not a foul shot.
AEBBA Rule 27K for foul shots losing break score: K). Hitting the cue ball after it has left the "D" (double hitting / push shot).
I note a "Push Shot" is not listed in your sanctions for losing break/score in the four pin rules, therefore you could not call a foul shot if it happened.
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Would like to attend for the experience but there are no direct trains to Norwich from London that day due to engineering works.
Sav
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 5, 2013 13:38:47 GMT
I don't want to start an argument over this, it was just something I noticed.
Rule 2-7 of the Sudbury rules under foul shots says that a player loses the score of that if "Any ball is played other than from the 'D'."
In some of the games I have watched the cue is still in contact with the cue ball long after it had left the "D" and therefore constitutes a fault shot. This was only an observation and something I wanted clarified.
I think I also need to talk to Carl for clarification as to what rules will be used in the East Anglian 4-Pin Open as it seems the Norwich Players play the last ball into the 100 or 200 hole off the side cushion with the other holes covered where as in the Sudbury league the last ball can be played into any hole off any cushions.
I hope this event will not be taken too seriously and will just be a fun day out and a chance for everyone to get to know each other while having a game of Bar Billiards
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Post by milhouse on Jan 5, 2013 14:39:09 GMT
I don't want to start an argument over this, it was just something I noticed. Rule 2-7 of the Sudbury rules under foul shots says that a player loses the score of that if "Any ball is played other than from the 'D'." In some of the games I have watched the cue is still in contact with the cue ball long after it had left the "D" and therefore constitutes a fault shot. This was only an observation and something I wanted clarified.I think I also need to talk to Carl for clarification as to what rules will be used in the East Anglian 4-Pin Open as it seems the Norwich Players play the last ball into the 100 or 200 hole off the side cushion with the other holes covered where as in the Sudbury league the last ball can be played into any hole off any cushions. I hope this event will not be taken too seriously and will just be a fun day out and a chance for everyone to get to know each other while having a game of Bar Billiards Have you got a link to a video for an example of this as i cannot see this ever happening when playing a normal shot Plus, I don't think many people will take this too seriously! If i am totally honest, i think you will find in most opens people are not too serious, otherwise we would not drink so much ;) ;D :o
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 5, 2013 17:35:55 GMT
hay people calm down, I only asked, I know in alot of pool leagues they seem to allow that sort of push shot.
This open is sounding more like fun all time :) a drinking contest with a game of bar billiards thrown in, that sounds like my sort of day.
But I have to be fair to Carl, it seems like he has and still is putting in a lot of work to get this off the ground and I will support it 100 per cent
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 5, 2013 17:57:07 GMT
I've gotta shoot out now so I don't have time to search through to find the video clips i was watching but try looking at this from about 6mins 10 secs and notice how the cue stays in contact with the ball well after it had left the "D", But so long as the Open is not being taken deadly serious who gives a dam?
and BTW another question, why doesn't the scorer have a pint in his hand?
does the loser by the drinks :)
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Post by milhouse on Jan 5, 2013 20:07:31 GMT
I've gotta shoot out now so I don't have time to search through to find the video clips i was watching but try looking at this from about 6mins 10 secs and notice how the cue stays in contact with the ball well after it had left the "D", But so long as the Open is not being taken deadly serious who gives a dam? and BTW another question, why doesn't the scorer have a pint in his hand? does the loser by the drinks :) Thats Ian Champion scoring and i would be very surprised if that was just coke in that glass ;) ;D ;D Shots look ok to me, just looks like it because he is playing with top
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jan 5, 2013 20:54:21 GMT
I've gotta shoot out now so I don't have time to search through to find the video clips i was watching but try looking at this from about 6mins 10 secs and notice how the cue stays in contact with the ball well after it had left the "D", But so long as the Open is not being taken deadly serious who gives a dam? and BTW another question, why doesn't the scorer have a pint in his hand? does the loser by the drinks :) Thats Ian Champion scoring and i would be very surprised if that was just coke in that glass ;) ;D ;D Shots look ok to me, just looks like it because he is playing with top Paul Dyer playing is left handed and the view from camera on the mantlepiece at Fontaine gives a strange angle. I do not think anyone over here is going to tell him he is playing illegal shots ::)
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 7, 2013 16:30:26 GMT
Carl I have a little job to do in Norwich tomorrow morning (Tuesday) so if I get time I will drop a tenner through your door, if not I'll have to fork out and buy a stamp ;)
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 7, 2013 16:38:55 GMT
Would like to attend for the experience but there are no direct trains to Norwich from London that day due to engineering works. Sav If you really wanna go and can get to Sudbury or Colchester train stations I can pick you up from there but you might have to slum it in my van as I will be "on call" Problem may be getting home as I dont know what time the last trains are plus I was intending to have (quite)a few drinks and get a B&B for the night and drive back on the Sunday
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 8, 2013 21:57:25 GMT
posted a tenner though your door today Carl :D
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Post by Carls421 on Jan 9, 2013 11:08:37 GMT
Hi Dave,
Apologies for not being on here as regularly as normal, work has escalated quite a bit recently so been a very busy boy!
I got your entry Dave, thanks very much! I heard you post it and tried to catch you but you drove off in your van, would have been good to meet you. Not to worry :)
It will be a really fun day and no, we don't take it too seriously here either, as long as everyone brings with them a good sense of humour, then we'll be ok ;D
We are trying to get a lot organised at the moment, there's been a couple of problems but all getting ironed out now I'm pleased to say. But first things first, THE BEER IS SORTED! and will be flowing.... fluidly ;D
I have to get going now, things to do, but I will try and bring more news and a more detailed update as i get it.
The Entry list is now up to date, I will be adding our home entries very soon, when I get time to gather them in (hopefully at the weekend)
Until then, keep the entries coming in! Only 11 places left for the Away list!
See ya'll soon!!!
Carl
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