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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 20:11:28 GMT
Going bird watching first on the North Norfolk coast!! There's also a pub with a table along the coastal road that looks worth a visit: the White Horse, Deepdale.
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 28, 2013 18:34:01 GMT
Hey Mr. Quiz Master, dont send me along any coastal roads. I CAN'T SWIM
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 19:01:02 GMT
Hey Mr. Quiz Master, dont send me along any coastal roads. I CAN'T SWIM Plenty of bird-watching available for you right on your doorstep..........at Orford Ness. ;) ;D
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 1, 2013 15:40:02 GMT
Just a quick heads up....
I should hopefully have some great updates to report with in the next few days regarding the Open!! Please keep your eyes pealed!!! Exciting stuff!!! ;D
Carl
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 2, 2013 21:04:43 GMT
Orford is a little too far for me, plus I don't have time for bird watching, I'm keeping my eyes pealed here :o
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 12:56:28 GMT
*****Important Announcement No.1***** Hi everyone, My apologies for not updating the Open as often as I would like, but in the last month or so we have been in a too and fro battle with Norfolk County Council regarding the venue for the Open. Imagine my joy when I opened the local paper to read this.... www.edp24.co.uk/news/politics/proposed_norwich_community_centre_faces_february_auction_if_campaigners_fail_to_meet_council_s_cash_demand_1_1733343 Yes, the venue for the East Anglian Bar Billiards Open is going to be sold right from under our noses! And we we're told absolutely nothing about it, even though I had the venue secured and booked. Anyway, I have been involved in TV interviews and allsorts trying to campaign to keep it as a community asset so we can use it for our Open. But last week I was given the bad news that we will definately not be able to use it. But alas!!! After much wailing and gnashing of teeth! We have a new venue to play in which luckily enough is only 100 yards up the same road as the Silver Rooms, so not much or a heartache for anyone really (apart from me!!! ;D) The new venue is called "ST. MARY MAGDALEN HALL" Which to no surprise is attached too St Mary Magdalen Church. The vicar of the church has very kindly let us hire the hall at late notice, and to our advantage, it has a car park at the front of it, which the Silver Rooms didn't. The address is... ST MARY MAGDALEN CHURCH SILVER ROAD NORWICH NR3 4TF There is a "but" (there always is) like I said, the Vicar has let us have it on a last minute booking, every Saturday the have a Weight watchers class there, which runs from 9-11am each Saturday, as you all know the Open was planned for the Open to start at 10.30am, we can only have the hall now from 11am (although I am trying to see if the Weight Watchers would be able to move their class 30 minutes earlier, but ill let you know about that one) But as it stands, when the fixtures are announced, we are starting at 11.00am on the 23rd March 2013. So please could you spread the word to as many people as possible! As I say, I'm really sorry for the change of venue and time but the County Council unfortunately have scuppered the original plans. *****Important Announcement No.2***** It came to our attention a few weeks back, that one of our (Norwich) rules for 4-Pin Bar Billiards was different to the Sudbury rules, which we were unaware of. It is Rule no 14. as follows Sudbury Rule No 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.Norwich Rule No. 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', the 10, 20 and 30 point holes are covered (score board is lowered) and the pegs covering the 50 point holes are placed into their respective holes, the last ball is then played into any remaining uncovered hole, off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.As you can see, there is a slight difference, we brought this up in one of our meetings to see if we should change this rule to meet the Sudbury rulings but, it was voted to the majority that as we have played this rule since the year dot, we have elected to keep it. Again, please let as many people know as soon as possible. I have attached a copy of the rules which we will be using for the Open to this message. Many Thanks for taking the time to read these announcements and please please let as many people know as possible! I can now concentrate on the finer points and will again be letting you guys know on here of any new developments when they are sorted ie prize money etc!! Any Questions please let me know! Cheers Carl Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 13:32:27 GMT
What a shock for you and what a dilemma. :o :o
Very, very well done in finding an alternative venue so quickly and within a stone's throw of the original. Bless the kind vicar who offered his hall. 8-)
If you get an e-Petition up to help save the Silver Rooms from unwanted 'development', there are many on here who will sign it for you.
tommo
PS Will the same 'refreshments' arrangements apply, or will we all be drinking the Communion wine? LOL ;D
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 13:46:00 GMT
PS Will the same 'refreshments' arrangements apply, or will we all be drinking the Communion wine? LOL ;D Hahaha!! I did think about the communion wine but I didn't want to push it too much!! Although the Vicar will be attending so if we can sweet talk him.... haha But just to clarify, yes, they are allowing us to serve food, beer and wine there so its still all good on that front, nothing has changed with regards to the event apart from the time of course. I'm in desperate need of a holiday, so I'm going to Las Vegas on Monday for a week, so I shall be able to answer any questions either before then or after the 19th Feb. Between those dates I shall be mostly trying to win money to fund the Open!!!!! So either we'll be on a shoestring like now, or there will be mahooosive prize money at stake ;D
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Post by milhouse on Feb 8, 2013 13:50:30 GMT
Hi Carl,
What is going to happen re the tables? Are we still going to be able to deliver and set them up on the Friday?
Are they going to interfere with the weight watchers class?
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 14:04:57 GMT
Hi Carl, What is going to happen re the tables? Are we still going to be able to deliver and set them up on the Friday? Are they going to interfere with the weight watchers class? I've cleared it with the Vicar that we can deliver the tables on the Friday still and pick them up on the Sunday, so its no problem in that respect. But we will just need to put them in one corner out of the way until we can get in there, but shouldn't be too much of a problem should it? Just need to find out when the tables are going to arrive and what time we want to pick them up on the Sunday that's all.....
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Post by milhouse on Feb 8, 2013 14:10:12 GMT
We are aiming to be there for around 7pm on the Friday (traffic permitting!) and we would most likely load them back onto the truck on the Saturday evening after the end of the competition.
We are planning on playing golf on the Sunday, so do not want to be caught up with Sunday service!
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Post by milko on Feb 8, 2013 14:12:20 GMT
*****Important Announcement No.2***** It came to our attention a few weeks back, that one of our (Norwich) rules for 4-Pin Bar Billiards was different to the Sudbury rules, which we were unaware of. It is Rule no 14. as follows Sudbury Rule No 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.Norwich Rule No. 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', the 10, 20 and 30 point holes are covered (score board is lowered) and the pegs covering the 50 point holes are placed into their respective holes, the last ball is then played into any remaining uncovered hole, off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.As you can see, there is a slight difference, we brought this up in one of our meetings to see if we should change this rule to meet the Sudbury rulings but, it was voted to the majority that as we have played this rule since the year dot, we have elected to keep it. Again, please let as many people know as soon as possible. I have attached a copy of the rules which we will be using for the Open to this message. Many Thanks for taking the time to read these announcements and please please let as many people know as possible! I can now concentrate on the finer points and will again be letting you guys know on here of any new developments when they are sorted ie prize money etc!! Any Questions please let me know! Cheers Carl Hi Carl Just one question on this. Do I take it that If the peg over the 100 hole is knocked down with the last ball and the ball stays on the table then you carry on until the ball is potted but if the same thing happens to the black peg then it is end of game (As is in our AEBBA rules) ? Milko (Keith Sheard)
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 14:15:37 GMT
We are aiming to be there for around 7pm on the Friday (traffic permitting!) and we would most likely load them back onto the truck on the Saturday evening after the end of the competition. We are planning on playing golf on the Sunday, so do not want to be caught up with Sunday service! Oh! That sounds perfect then! I was expecting to collect them on the Sunday, but if that works better for you then all the better for us too, if that ok with you?
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 14:25:04 GMT
*****Important Announcement No.2***** It came to our attention a few weeks back, that one of our (Norwich) rules for 4-Pin Bar Billiards was different to the Sudbury rules, which we were unaware of. It is Rule no 14. as follows Sudbury Rule No 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.Norwich Rule No. 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', the 10, 20 and 30 point holes are covered (score board is lowered) and the pegs covering the 50 point holes are placed into their respective holes, the last ball is then played into any remaining uncovered hole, off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.As you can see, there is a slight difference, we brought this up in one of our meetings to see if we should change this rule to meet the Sudbury rulings but, it was voted to the majority that as we have played this rule since the year dot, we have elected to keep it. Again, please let as many people know as soon as possible. I have attached a copy of the rules which we will be using for the Open to this message. Many Thanks for taking the time to read these announcements and please please let as many people know as possible! I can now concentrate on the finer points and will again be letting you guys know on here of any new developments when they are sorted ie prize money etc!! Any Questions please let me know! Cheers Carl Hi Carl Just one question on this. Do I take it that If the peg over the 100 hole is knocked down with the last ball and the ball stays on the table then you carry on until the ball is potted but if the same thing happens to the black peg then it is end of game (As is in our AEBBA rules) ? Milko (Keith Sheard) Yes, that is exactly right. (provided you didn't have an accumulated break then knocked over the pin next to the 100 hole, which then brought your score down to one which you couldn't win by, if that makes any sense?)
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Post by BB Warrior on Feb 8, 2013 14:42:39 GMT
Hi Carl, What is going to happen re the tables? Are we still going to be able to deliver and set them up on the Friday? Are they going to interfere with the weight watchers class? I've cleared it with the Vicar that we can deliver the tables on the Friday still and pick them up on the Sunday, so its no problem in that respect. But we will just need to put them in one corner out of the way until we can get in there, but shouldn't be too much of a problem should it? Just need to find out when the tables are going to arrive and what time we want to pick them up on the Sunday that's all..... Forgive me, none of my business as I'm not entering.... :-[ .... but is it a problem.... ummm, potentially just a lot!! :o :o :o Sorry Carl, I don't know how much experience you have had in setting up tables for a Tournament.... ::) .... but it isn't a case of pick it up, put the legs on and start playing on it! :o With most Opens, the tables go into position to allow them to "settle" in place (different types of flooring mean that they sometimes take longer to find their final position) on the night before the competition.... the organisers then usually spend at least 1-2 hours to prepare them properly.... level them, iron and brush them, clean the balls and pockets etc.... on the morning before the competition starts. ;D The preparation of the tables makes a world of difference and with people travelling from all round the country it would be a shame if the tables have not been levelled or prepared properly. :'(
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 14:50:20 GMT
I've cleared it with the Vicar that we can deliver the tables on the Friday still and pick them up on the Sunday, so its no problem in that respect. But we will just need to put them in one corner out of the way until we can get in there, but shouldn't be too much of a problem should it? Just need to find out when the tables are going to arrive and what time we want to pick them up on the Sunday that's all..... Forgive me, none of my business as I'm not entering.... :-[ .... but is it a problem.... ummm, potentially just a lot!! :o :o :o Sorry Carl, I don't know how much experience you have had in setting up tables for a Tournament.... ::) .... but it isn't a case of pick it up, put the legs on and start playing on it! :o With most Opens, the tables go into position to allow them to "settle" in place (different types of flooring mean that they sometimes take longer to find their final position) on the night before the competition.... the organisers then usually spend at least 1-2 hours to prepare them properly.... level them, iron and brush them, clean the balls and pockets etc.... on the morning before the competition starts. ;D The preparation of the tables makes a world of difference and with people travelling from all round the country it would be a shame if the tables have not been levelled or prepared properly. :'( Oh... Thanks for that. In that case, we shall set the tables up on the Friday evening like you said. I'll speak to all concerned, it shouldn't be a problem they seem to be a nice bunch. :)
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Post by milko on Feb 8, 2013 15:05:08 GMT
But alas!!! After much wailing and gnashing of teeth! We have a new venue to play in which luckily enough is only 100 yards up the same road as the Silver Rooms, so not much or a heartache for anyone really (apart from me!!! ;D) The new venue is called "ST. MARY MAGDALEN HALL" Which to no surprise is attached too St Mary Magdalen Church. The vicar of the church has very kindly let us hire the hall at late notice, and to our advantage, it has a car park at the front of it, which the Silver Rooms didn't. The address is... ST MARY MAGDALEN CHURCH SILVER ROAD NORWICH NR3 4TF I see it has an overflow car park at the rear of the church in Chrome Rd for about 20 cars and I expect there's a walk through to the hall to save walking around the estate! So, will it be open ?
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 8, 2013 15:09:14 GMT
But alas!!! After much wailing and gnashing of teeth! We have a new venue to play in which luckily enough is only 100 yards up the same road as the Silver Rooms, so not much or a heartache for anyone really (apart from me!!! ;D) The new venue is called "ST. MARY MAGDALEN HALL" Which to no surprise is attached too St Mary Magdalen Church. The vicar of the church has very kindly let us hire the hall at late notice, and to our advantage, it has a car park at the front of it, which the Silver Rooms didn't. The address is... ST MARY MAGDALEN CHURCH SILVER ROAD NORWICH NR3 4TF I see it has an overflow car park at the rear of the church in Chrome Rd for about 20 cars and I expect there's a walk through to the hall to save walking around the estate! So, will it be open ? Well spotted, we have full access to the Church facilities, if that car park is to do with the Church, then yes we can use it, although the vicar didnt mention the extra car park, so i shall have a chat with him
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 10, 2013 20:34:38 GMT
May I ask a stupid question please. The Norwich Rules say the last ball must be played of any cushion, how is it possible to play into the 100 hole off the top cushion or into the corner and back into the 200 hole if the score board has been lowered?
Also does each round consist of two games and total scores of each game are added together to find the winner? If so surely the game must continue until the last ball is potted, even if you knock the black peg down and lose your entire score you still have a chance of scoring 200 to carry onto the next leg. Working on that assumption the games could all go on for a few minutes longer that expected and now given that it looks like you will be forced to move the start time back by more than 30 mins ( even if we get into the hall by 11 I guess it will then be a good half an hour before things are sorted so the first games can start)it will push the finishing time back by at least an hour
I also think that maybe you are taking the pee ;) if the weight watches club see me they will drag me in and make me starve all day and go without beer
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Post by Carls421 on Feb 10, 2013 21:40:32 GMT
Its off any available cushion, ie off one of the side cushions. You can pot a ball in the 100 pocket from this position.
Yes it is the highest score from 2 games, so if scores are that close at the end, then yes, of course play on! Adds to the drama! :-) It wont take that much more time. Also everyone will have their specific times to play, so as long as people are there on time at the start, then we should be able to get going quite quickly.
Right, i need a holiday, so im going to Vegas for a week from tomorrow morning. Any other questions or updates, i shall answer and post after 19th Feb. Have a great week all!!
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 10, 2013 22:00:46 GMT
what happens if after the two legs the scores are level?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2013 22:04:59 GMT
what happens if after the two legs the scores are level? The two players are taken outside and shot. LOL ;D ;D ;D Have a great week in Vegas, Carl, going at the right time as another bout of snow predicted here. :o
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 11, 2013 0:30:00 GMT
what happens if after the two legs the scores are level? The two players are taken outside and shot. LOL ;D ;D ;D Have a great week in Vegas, Carl, going at the right time as another bout of snow predicted here. :o shot !!!!!!!!!:o thats a little harsh, there must be a better way to sort it, what about running round the church naked ;) it was a sorta serious question though, in 4 peg games the scores are a lot lower and often games are drawn. BTW Mr Quiz Master whats Crawley like now? Last time I was there I stopped at some funny pub come hotel, I cant remember what it was called but it was just up the road from the Rat and Parrot, I knew if i came out the rat and turned right and right again I would find my way back to my bed :)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 11:20:16 GMT
If this looks familiar, with the huge gibbet post extending outwards, you must have stayed at the George Hotel which is supposed to be haunted by the ghost of a nightwatchman: Re: the tied game question, it is a good point and one that needs to be considered by Carl, though we won't hear from him now for a week. The fairest way to me to resolve it would seem to be some form of 'last ball shootout'.
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Post by milko on Feb 11, 2013 14:10:02 GMT
Hi Carl Just one question on this. Do I take it that If the peg over the 100 hole is knocked down with the last ball and the ball stays on the table then you carry on until the ball is potted but if the same thing happens to the black peg then it is end of game (As is in our AEBBA rules) ? Milko (Keith Sheard) Yes, that is exactly right. (provided you didn't have an accumulated break then knocked over the pin next to the 100 hole, which then brought your score down to one which you couldn't win by, if that makes any sense?) Carl, I'm confused now that you've answered DaveUK's post with your reply below regarding knocking over the black peg with the last ball, so can we have it in writing exactly how we are supposed to interpret the rule :-/ Yes it is the highest score from 2 games, so if scores are that close at the end, then yes, of course play on! Adds to the drama! :-) It wont take that much more time.
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Post by milko on Feb 11, 2013 16:58:49 GMT
Re: the tied game question, it is a good point and one that needs to be considered by Carl, though we won't hear from him now for a week. The fairest way to me to resolve it would seem to be some form of 'last ball shootout'. Another way to decide the winner without prolonging the match is the player with the highest leg score wins but then you may still have a tied match but that is less likely.
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 11, 2013 18:40:34 GMT
That looks like it could be the place Tommo, I remember it had a car park around the back. used to walk down to the rat and then across the road to a little night club where it was free entry before 10.
As far as the last ball goes, I don't want to speak on Carl's behalf or try to take over but I think the only fair way is that play must continue until the last ball is sunk, at least in the first leg, in the second leg the scores will determine if it's worth carrying on. Hopefully we wont have many last ball games anyway.
Milko's idea of the highest leg score winning if the scores are level sounds the ideal solution and then maybe a 200 hole shoot out if the scores are still tied.
I'm sure Carl has everything under control, but I do have fears of the event running over and if the start time does need to be put back it will just compound things more. If the weight watchers have the venue booked until 11, so we cant in until then it means the first games wont start until even later and I will just have to spend time looking at the hot and sweaty ladies.
I guess it all really hinges on wether or not Carl gets permission to set the tables up on the Friday night, if he doesn't then we could all find ourselves either playing on unleveled tables or looking for another venue before hand
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 17, 2013 12:56:31 GMT
just a stupid thought but do the tables have clockwork or electronic timers? Its just the tables around here with electronic timers cant be reset by inserting another coin. therefore if the last ball is sunk on the second leg and the scores are all level and we need to raise the bar to get balls for some kind of shoot off it will mean we would have to wait a further 15mins before the bar drops and the next game could start.
lol i hope someone understands what I mean
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 17, 2013 14:54:33 GMT
Not a problem with the mechanical timers, or probably the electronic ones if you pop the battery leads. Sav
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Post by daveuk1 on Feb 17, 2013 22:41:50 GMT
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the tables will be supplied by AEBBA so hopefully someone knows what sort of timers they have, if they are electronic and you need to disconnect the battery doesn't that mean you have to lift the table top :(
Let's hope that we don't have the situation where we need a shoot out, but I bet that bloke "Sod" and his law will come into play
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