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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 2, 2012 16:19:25 GMT
Hi Eastbourne BB fans
Quite fancy tipping my lance at this little windmill, will try to sort out a few 4 pin games when we've got some spare time, you never know when it might come in handy...
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 2, 2012 16:25:36 GMT
Hi Eastbourne BB fans Quite fancy tipping my lance at this little windmill, will try to sort out a few 4 pin games when we've got some spare time, you never know when it might come in handy... regs cs just looked at Sudbury web site only awkard thing is 30 and 10 holes are reversed presumably due to difficulty. still when in Rome.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 16:41:46 GMT
only awkard thing is 30 and 10 holes are reversed presumably due to difficulty. I think you'll find the most awkward thing is getting the break with those pins blocking the path ! ;D whatever next? Italian bar billiards? ;D ;D
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 2, 2012 17:02:14 GMT
only awkard thing is 30 and 10 holes are reversed presumably due to difficulty. I think you'll find the most awkward thing is getting the break with those pins blocking the path ! ;D whatever next? Italian bar billiards? ;D ;D Looks like we'll have to forget the oxford shot and try something more ....."Olbia n"
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 3, 2012 15:47:33 GMT
Hi 4 Pin Fans
copied this from norwich web site
Top Scores Players(s) Team Score Top Three Highest Match Scores For Singles Dave White Lion A 3,170 Charlie White Lion A 2,890 Wayne White Lion A 2,390 Top Three Highest Match Scores For Doubles Ben /Nabs White Lion B 1,850 Carl/Sean The Cottage 1,840 Andy/Richard The Cottage 1,670 Top Three High Breaks (Banked) Carl The Cottage 850 Dave Black Stars 830 Neil/Emma P Golden Star/ W Lionesses 820
Looks like tommos break of 1100 is not too bad :-*
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 14, 2012 23:35:32 GMT
Have we got a 4 pin table in Sussex? I understand that 4 pin tables are narrower and longer than 3pins, have visited the Half Moon heathfield again (the D has always seemed diiferent to others in sussex )following the post of the 4pin clip recently i remembered the similarity. Jane the landlady said she had bought it on ebay from a club in Dover i note from the AEBBA venue directory that the was/is such a table there Having measured it today its 10mm longer and 10mm narrower than the seven sisters top, see attachment showing D and old 10p slot, the slot/pull mechanism looks like he old Sussex Bar Billiards gadget but will hope others may have more substantial knowledge. It would be great if we have a 4 pin table in Sussex, looks like a very long trip to find the next closest contender, will try to post photos for comment regs cs Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 0:02:36 GMT
Having measured it today its 10mm longer and 10mm narrower than the seven sisters top, regs cs Are you sure you don't mean 10cm (100mm) Gandalf ? Even then, I'm confused because the difference between ordinary (36 inch wide) and narrow (34 inch wide) is only half that. And the table in the photo does not at first impressions look like a narrow one, which have a perfect diamond formation between 200, 100 and 50 holes. :-/
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 15, 2012 18:55:56 GMT
Having measured it today its 10mm longer and 10mm narrower than the seven sisters top, regs cs Are you sure you don't mean 10cm (100mm) Gandalf ? Even then, I'm confused because the difference between ordinary (36 inch wide) and narrow (34 inch wide) is only half that. And the table in the photo does not at first impressions look like a narrow one, which have a perfect diamond formation between 200, 100 and 50 holes. :-/ Hi Tommo, I made it 790mm wide as opposed to 800mm, suppose it might just be the different type of cushion? regs cs
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 19:11:53 GMT
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Post by Pete S on Nov 15, 2012 19:28:31 GMT
Colin
Is that table in the half moon ? It looks like it from the bottles
I might take a walk along and have a look !!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2012 20:04:18 GMT
I made it 790mm wide as opposed to 800mm, suppose it might just be the different type of cushion? regs cs Taking the outer dimension measurements, here is an approximate guide for the two types, given in millimetres: 'Normal' - Length 1830mm; Width 940mm. 'Narrow' - Length 1920mm; Width 870mm. Regards, tommo
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Post by Sparky on Nov 15, 2012 20:31:09 GMT
I made it 790mm wide as opposed to 800mm, suppose it might just be the different type of cushion? Hi Colin If it helps, I have found Normal Sams tables to be around the 795mm width, between cushions, with the 780's usually being slightly friendlier for the break and shots behind the 10 pocket (off side cushions) and the 790's being more difficult but that changes with the bounciness of the cushions as well, so can only be generalisations. I have not measured Narrow SAMS myself but think Tommo's measurements seem right (as usual ;D).
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 15, 2012 22:05:53 GMT
Colin Is that table in the half moon ? It looks like it from the bottles I might take a walk along and have a look !! Hi Pete Half Moon is correct
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 14, 2013 16:33:09 GMT
Hi 4 Pin BB Fans
Just purchased a new set of 4 pin mushrooms, looking forward to having a go shortly, will place some faint spots in the appropriate places and "hay presto" 4 pin practice table available for rent at a nominal fee of £1 per 18.5 mins (approx...) ::)
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 19, 2013 14:57:48 GMT
Hi 4 pin in eastbourne fans
just had my first practice session with the four pins in the correct positions, looks like the 50 50 break shot is still on, plenty of room at the bottom to play balls into the high scoring pockets from behind, the mushrooms can take a fairly good hit without falling, will be back at the star to fix pegs postion markers tonight.
Have arranged with Dave the landlord to have the pegs kept behind the bar, and have made 9th/10th and 16th/17th march available for pactice sessions if anyone wishes to book time on these dates or weekdays other than monday and tuesday nights, see lewes BB web site for contact details for the Star Eastbourne. Perhaps we should get Half a mushroom on AEBBA map :-*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 15:43:15 GMT
Some paws for thought......... Try practicing 4-Pin with an additional obstacle on the table: I wouldn't mind, but it's not even my cat! (Lulu, who lives over the back). ;D Attachments:
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 19, 2013 18:36:40 GMT
Practice session 2
have set pegs 6mm from pockets, the red spot half way between 200 hole and edge of the D (d is part of the bulk line)
50/50 break is on with a bit of RHS, seem to be able to get 900 breaks pretty easily, easy to get balls back so dont be greedy, final shot 20 hole off cush.
Major problem for us 3 pinners is to always play the red.....i forgot several times, wonder if the scorer will give warnings? :-[
Looks like me and tommo in the final in East Anglia 4 pin open, will have a pint on who gets the highest score in any game played :-*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 20:25:01 GMT
Your scoring will be faster than mine if you are getting both 50's with the break - I can only go up in 70s. But are you sure you are scoring your breaks correctly ? Don't forget the 30's are 10s and the 10's a 30...it don't half make a difference. :o Those lovely two-balls-in-the-corner pocket only make a disappointing 30 (instead of 90) and I found I've had to learn a lot of new angled shots in-off into what was previously the ten hole to get a break ticking along. :-/
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jan 19, 2013 21:21:50 GMT
Your scoring will be faster than mine if you are getting both 50's with the break - I can only go up in 70s. But are you sure you are scoring your breaks correctly ? Don't forget the 30's are 10s and the 10's a 30...it don't half make a difference. :o Those lovely two-balls-in-the-corner pocket only make a disappointing 30 (instead of 90) and I found I've had to learn a lot of new angled shots in-off into what was previously the ten hole to get a break ticking along. :-/ hi tommo, am scoring correctly, 3x150's is always a good start on the way to 900ish (highest break so far 1050) i've given the peg a fair bashing doing the 50 50 break but just catching its edge will not knock it over, worth trying a few times to get the pace right then its relatively simple, will try to post a short demo video later tomorrow, if one could get the reverse break as well the sky's the limit, but i recognise that the 50 50 break on my home table is a whole world different to an untried table of unknown pace. might have to cultivate a plan b strategy just in case regs cs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2013 22:07:18 GMT
might have to cultivate a plan b strategy just in case Could be a wise move, I'm not going into it with any preconceptions. Having never seen 4-pin played properly before, most of us will probably be watching the East Anglian players, seeing what they do and trying to copy it !
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 18, 2013 17:55:44 GMT
Hi 4 pin fans
Looks like theres fair support for a 4 pin summer league in eastbourne for the star and the 7 sisters, any other teams intereated in joining in let us know and we will propose it at the eastbourne AGM we dont mind the travelling....within sussex/kent/surrey area!
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Post by TIR on Mar 19, 2013 15:13:46 GMT
When I first learnt bar billiards on a 4 pin table in Brighton. We used to go for the 600 break.
Red ball off the side into the 200 hole, cue ball upinto the corner and back into the 200 hole
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Post by milko on Mar 19, 2013 15:55:18 GMT
When I first learnt bar billiards on a 4 pin table in Brighton. We used to go for the 600 break. Red ball off the side into the 200 hole, cue ball upinto the corner and back into the 200 hole Are you sure you don't mean red ball up into the corner ? ;)
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Post by TIR on Mar 23, 2013 16:34:02 GMT
Yes it is red into the corner and white off the side - tried it today and got it once!
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Post by BB Warrior on Mar 23, 2013 19:16:46 GMT
Yes it is red into the corner and white off the side - tried it today and got it once! Are you using the correct 4-pin position for the red ball for this shot.... which is further forward.... or are you playing it from the "normal" 3-pin Red Spot...??
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Apr 24, 2013 20:51:05 GMT
Reminder
4 pin Summer singles league in eastbourne registration meeting Tuesday 30th at the hospital club 8.00pm
Have worked out a fixture format for 12 players playing 2 games aggregate score, playing all opponents but at one of three venues, therefore an 11 week program which suits the available window well. Still based on playing Tuesday nights but this can be adjusted to suit players requirements.
players from other nearby leagues would be welcome, we could play divisions so that a drivers division could play outside eastbourne, plenty of options to discuss
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Apr 29, 2013 0:42:22 GMT
Hi Eastbourne bb fans
4 Pin Singles League Rules for discussion at tuesdays meeting
1. All players shall play all other players in their own division twice at drawn venues within Eastbourne league boundaries 2. Matches shall consist of 2 games in each session. a toss of a coin will determin who shall have the break in game 1 the opponent will have the break in game 2 3. The scores in each game will be recorded and sent to the secretary within 3 days, a penalty will be enforced should results not be sent 4. Matches shall be played on Tuesday evenings starting at 8.00pm if 2 or three matches are played on the same night, then the format will be, all the players drawn first will play their opening games with the break then the players drawn second will play their games with the break 5. Players can adjust the playing date and times with the agreement of his opponent or those players present on the night 6. Disputes will be bought to the attention of the committee within 3 days the decisions of the committee will be final 7. A high break will be recorded for each player in each match 8. Players will be expected to score matches when they are not playing 9. CANCELLATION OF MATCHES : - In the event of a player unable to play a fixture, notification must be given to the other player concerned, not later than one day before that fixture. If exceptional circumstances occur, the committee will be the adjudicators whether or not the reason is justifiable. Any cancelled matches must be played as soon as possible. A blank date will be left prior to the last match of the season to enable any postponed matches to be played. In the event of two players being unable to arrange a date to play a rearranged match, the committee will appoint a date when the two teams will be required to complete the fixture. Failure to do so will result in the offending player being adjudged to have lost by 2 games to 0. 10. Should any player withdraw from competition before all the fixtures have been completed, all of that players matches and games played in the current season, shall be disregarded, & all scores of those matches & games be null & void - League positions will then be adjusted accordingly. 11. Two Points shall be awarded to the player winning on aggregate in the event of a Drawn Match, each player shall be awarded One Point. 12. If two or more players have the same number of points, league positions shall be determined by number of individual legs won and then by the higher average 13. Each player shall pay to the league a registration fee to be fixed at the committee meeting or A.G.M. prior to the start of the season. Fees are payable before the first match of the forthcoming season. The duurent fee will be £3.00 per entrant. 14. Each player shall complete a scorecard and sign it and forward to the secretary within the specified timescsale 15. All players should keep a record book of all matches played with individual scores & high breaks. 16. In the event of a dispute agreement must first be sought by the opposing players, the scorer & checker. If agreement cannot be reached, disputes may be taken to the committee within Three Days of the game/match so disputed. Complaints must be in writing 17. Where more than one division is formed for a season there shall be a "two up - two down" system of promotion & relegation. 18. The funds of the league shall be deposited in a bank account with two signatories. Two signatories must sign all cheques. 19. The league officers shall consist of a chairman, secretary, treasurer & such others as the AGM may decide to appoint. The committee shall consist of such members as the AGM decides to elect 20. The AGM will be held after the completion of the league season & prior to the commencement of the following season, unless otherwise decided by the membership at an extraordinary meeting. Interim business will be dealt with by the committee, which will meet as necessary. 21. Members of the league may call a general meeting if more than 7 Members wish to do so. Members may also request a committee meeting if more than 5 members wish to do so. 22. All other business of the league shall be conducted in accordance with the wishes of the AGM. 23. The league may expel any member who is adjudged to have deliberately disregarded the rules of the league if such action is called for by a majority of the membership 24. No opposing team players shall Move or Adjust the table unless a specific request is made from either members of the Home Side or the Landlord. 25. Where players who have qualified in either Singles or Doubles competitions are unavailable to take part in the Finals Night Competitions, their place will be taken by the beaten finalist 26. Entrants to have played in at least one league game
Rules of Play
1. In all matches, a coin shall be tossed to determine the order of play. The away player to call. 2. To start the game, place the red ball on the spot above the 'D' and play a white ball from the centre of the 'D'. The centre of the 'D' should be marked with a spot. Thereafter, with the exception of further break shots, and the last ball, the cue ball may be played from any position within the confines of the 'D'. All strokes throughout the game must be played from the 'D'. 3. The player must not play the cue ball directly into a hole. The cue ball must first strike another ball to become a scoring shot. 4. When the red ball is sunk, the score of that ball is doubled. The red ball must then be played from the 'D'. 5. When all balls are in play, and none left in the tray, the ball nearest to the baulk line is returned and played from the 'D' to continue the game. If two or more balls are equidistant from the baulk line the ball nearest to the centre should be returned to continue play as it is "nearest to the D". 6. When no balls are left in play, the red and white balls are positioned as for the start of the game. 7. When a ball returns to the baulk area, that ball is removed to the tray. 8. If a peg is knocked over by a ball and cannot be replaced because of obstruction by a ball, that ball shall be removed to the tray. The peg must be replaced to its correct position. 9. If a peg is knocked from its correct position without falling over, it shall remain in that position until the player has concluded his/her break. It will then be replaced correctly. If the ball is touching the peg, and the peg has not been removed from its correct position, that ball shall remain in play, and NOT be removed from the table. 10. If a ball and peg are wedged in a hole together, the peg is to be removed first and the ball allowed to drop down the hole and not returned to the tray even after the gate has dropped. 11. Each player continues until a non-scoring shot is played. 12. Once a player leaves the table their break is deemed over, should a ball fall down a hole after they have left the table this will not count towards their break or their opponents break unless their opponent has first struck the cue ball whether or not it strikes another ball. 13. Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double. 14. The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into any hole off any cushion. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break. Foul Shots 1. The player looses his/her entire score if :- 1. The last ball is holed without striking a cushion. 2. The player causes the peg covering the 200 hole to be knocked over. 2. The player looses the score of that break if :- 1. The cue ball fails to strike another ball. 2. Any ball returns to the baulk. (The 'D' counts as baulk). 3. The same break shot is played more than three times in succession. 4. The player causes any peg, other than that covering the '200' hole, to be knocked over. 5. The player fails to play the red ball when it is available. 6. Any ball leaves the table, or strikes the backboard, even if that ball returns to the normal play area. 7. Any ball is played other than from the 'D'. 8. The player causes any ball to move other than a shot played correctly from the 'D'. 9. If a break shot or final ball is not played from the centre of the 'D'. 3. If a combination of foul shots occur, then, regardless of sequence of events, the player shall suffer the greater penalty.
Table Rules
The table shall be set out as follows: • Pegs shall be placed (the baulk line side) to cover the 200 hole, the 100 hole, and the two 50 holes. • The spot for the red ball for the break shall be exactly halfway between the rim of the 200 hole closest to the baulk line, and the front edge of the “D” • The number of balls shall be seven white and one red. • Tables must be maintained in good condition, and spare cues and chalk must always be provided.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on May 1, 2013 10:41:44 GMT
Follow our meeting yesterday we have 13 players in the 4 pin singles summer league in Eastbourne the rules are agreed a cant wait to start Atached fixtures listing regs cs Attachments:
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Post by gandalf the untidy on May 7, 2013 12:45:19 GMT
Hi Eastbourne 4-pin Fans
" new sets of mushrooms now ordered for the Hospital and Seven sisters looks like a practice week is in order :-*
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Post by chrishaynes (R.I.P.) on May 11, 2013 7:43:47 GMT
hospital have their mushrooms, we're awaiting delivery for ours! maybe hospital for practise tuesday!!!
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