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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 23, 2013 17:42:57 GMT
Going to be interesting to see number of entries if this goes through.... At a time when money is tight and entries for comps decreasing, proposing more restrictions on entries is only going to turn people away..... So everyone else paying several pounds each a night extra and over 50p a pint more so that you can have cheap accommodation elsewhere gets us more entries and doesn't lose us the weekend when the hotel stop sponsoring us due to the falling number of residents?? Five pairs did not stop at the hotel last year, I've negotiated the best deal I can, fixed for two years, got you B&B in the package, great for everyone concerned and its far far cheaper than it was eighteen months ago!!. That deal is based on 100% residency at the hotel. Sav.
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Post by BB Warrior on Jul 23, 2013 20:08:41 GMT
Going to be interesting to see number of entries if this goes through.... At a time when money is tight and entries for comps decreasing, proposing more restrictions on entries is only going to turn people away..... So everyone else paying several pounds each a night extra and over 50p a pint more so that you can have cheap accommodation elsewhere gets us more entries and doesn't lose us the weekend when the hotel stop sponsoring us due to the falling number of residents?? Five pairs did not stop at the hotel last year, I've negotiated the best deal I can, fixed for two years, got you B&B in the package, great for everyone concerned and its far far cheaper than it was eighteen months ago!!. That deal is based on 100% residency at the hotel. Sav. Firstly, thank you Chris for negotiating an improved deal for everybody that will stay at the Queens Hotel next year, reducing the prices for the second year running and keeping the sponsorship deal is no mean achievement. Personally, I will always stay at the venue of the competition if it is one of the weekends away (Bournemouth, Guernsey, Jersey) in the bar billiard calender as that is simply better as far as I am concerned.... there are no worries about getting back to a different hotel if I have had a couple of drinks too many and the social side of spending more time with the other people who are there always makes the weekends more enjoyable. I have never even looked at the prices of other hotels in the area, either I can afford to go to the venue or I don't enter.... it is literally as simple as that. So I don't know how much of a saving that some of the players have made by going to other hotels, however perhaps that saving is the difference between them being able to enter or not? I feel that the decision to exclude players from entering if they do not stay at the hotel should not be made lightly and we have to accept that some players may choose not to enter as a "point of priciple" if that rule were to be introduced. If that happened, there would not be more people staying at the Queens Hotel, it would simply mean that less people will enter the Tournament resulting in less entry income for AEBBA, reduced raffle income and fewer matches for all of the players that do still enter. I am sure that would not benefit anybody in the long run.... would the Queens Hotel continue to offer their sponsorship anyway if the number of entries dropped at their bar takings reduced in the future? There must be another way to resolve this.... I see that the entry fee this year is £5 per person.... would it be an alternative to suggest that the entry fee is £5 per person for people staying at the hotel and perhaps £10 per person for non-residents, at least that way the players would have the choice and the people that chose to stay elsewhere would still be contributing more to AEBBA for running the event? Not So Sure
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Post by milhouse on Jul 24, 2013 7:22:19 GMT
Sav - does that mean if everyone stays at the Queens, the rooms will be cheaper and the drinks 50p a pint cheaper ? Dave - Some good points there and for the record, across the road at the Britannia last year was £50 for both nights B&B - easily close enough to find your way if a little tipsy
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Post by BB Warrior on Jul 24, 2013 10:22:00 GMT
Sav - does that mean if everyone stays at the Queens, the rooms will be cheaper and the drinks 50p a pint cheaper ? Dave - Some good points there and for the record, across the road at the Britannia last year was £50 for both nights B&B - easily close enough to find your way if a little tipsy Mark.... based on everybody staying at the Queens the rooms are cheaper than last year and Sav has already told us that the drinks will be cheaper, maybe not as low as some other places but the other places are not sponsoring the event! However, a saving of £30 over the two nights for the sake of a 50 yard walk is not insignificant and that may be the difference between some players being able to enter or not.... Not So Sure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 10:49:53 GMT
But that saving does not take into account all of the factors and is not in fact a reasonable comparison. It certainly wouldn't pass the scrutiny of any forensic accountant.
The reality is that for those who pay to stay at The Queens are paying for accommodation, food (according to plan) room hire for competition, entertainment put on by the hotel etc. etc.
Those who stay elsewhere are not really contributing to the latter two costs despite many being happy to avail themselves of those facilities. Doesn't seem right to me but then again I'm a sentimental old fool!
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Post by colinm on Jul 24, 2013 11:53:14 GMT
Sav - does that mean if everyone stays at the Queens, the rooms will be cheaper and the drinks 50p a pint cheaper ? Dave - Some good points there and for the record, across the road at the Britannia last year was £50 for both nights B&B - easily close enough to find your way if a little tipsy Having stayed at that venue a few years ago as we couldn't get in at the Queens. I for one wouldn't stay there as our experience was poor to say the least I am fully intending to go next year, having not been there this year and my choice would always be to stay at the Queens if possible as the whole experience is more enjoyable. However cost is an issue for us all in these times of little money and I for one prefer the idea of charging non residents a slightly higher entry fee rather than insisting that people must stay at the Hotel as this will inevitably lead to some players not attending. Well done to Sav and any others involved in getting a better deal for 2014 and 2015 Happy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2013 18:33:01 GMT
Is this proposal a joke?
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Post by milko on Jul 25, 2013 12:38:54 GMT
Well said Lorin.
I completely agree and will be voting for the proposal.
Milko
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 30, 2013 10:33:54 GMT
I have added another proposal, seconded by Dave Ingram and Dave Alder has been informed that;
"AEBBA will appoint one or more 'Independent Examiners' (formerly AKA Auditors) each year, starting in 2013, to examine (audit) the accounts prior to the Annual General Meeting."
With the volume of money going through the accounts and previous experience I consider this essential for my successor. This year I am submitting the accounts to Dave Ingram for scrutiny on a voluntary basis. This process is standard practice in accounts and what I have developed for AEBBA this year into transparent and financially controlled accounting must be continued by my successor.
Sav.
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 30, 2013 17:58:32 GMT
I would like to propose the following rule change...
Entry for all AEBBA Competitions to be by advanced entry only and entries will only be accepted upon receipt of the relavant entry fees. The closing date for entries will be at the discretion of the Tournament Director but will normally be a minimum of 7 days before the date of the relevant competition. Late entries, including on the day, will only be accepted if there is a space available within the draw and at the discretion of the Tournament Director.
There are various benefits to AEBBA to add this rule...
1) A better idea of the number of entrants to all competitions in advance, which would mean the correct number of tables can be put up. 2) Payment received in advance, meaning that the players that fail to turn up will not get away with paying nothing - as they do now. 3) The draws and table schedules can be done in advance, saving time on the day.... and substantially reducing the workload of the person running the competition.
If there is anybody here that would like to second this proposal I will then send it to Dave Alder?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 18:01:49 GMT
Seconded, Dave
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Post by NigelS on Oct 31, 2013 0:23:45 GMT
I would like to propose the following rule change... Entry for all AEBBA Competitions to be by advanced entry only and entries will only be accepted upon receipt of the relavant entry fees. The closing date for entries will be at the discretion of the Tournament Director but will normally be a minimum of 7 days before the date of the relevant competition. Late entries, including on the day, will only be accepted if there is a space available within the draw and at the discretion of the Tournament Director. There are various benefits to AEBBA to add this rule... 1) A better idea of the number of entrants to all competitions in advance, which would mean the correct number of tables can be put up. 2) Payment received in advance, meaning that the players that fail to turn up will not get away with paying nothing - as they do now. 3) The draws and table schedules can be done in advance, saving time on the day.... and substantially reducing the workload of the person running the competition. If there is anybody here that would like to second this proposal I will then send it to Dave Alder? I would urge a bit of careful thought over this proposal Dave, as it came up before when I did the tournaments in Reading. I was stung when I ran the alternative rules when I had an entry of 50+ players and only 30 odd turned up. So after chasing entries I did the draw but on the day I had a load of byes due to no shows (many of which did not tell me) and empty tables and the day went on a lot longer than it should have. Yes we could charge an entry fee, but how much? Enough to put someone off not going when they have forked out the money, if that is £10 is that not a bit much for some of these comps. The above does work for opens but not sure if it would definitely work for the AEBBA comps. And what worries me that the workload the tournament director would not decrease as he would be chasing money/entries for a load of comps in a short space of time. You could of course go down the hard line that if you don't enter or pay the money you are not playing, but would we lose a significant number of entries. Of course we dont know how it would go unless we try, and it may take a couple of years before everyone gets used to the new ruling, but my gut feeling is that it will solve a problem but create another. But of course it should be discussed at the AGM as a proposal by the people there.
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 31, 2013 10:39:16 GMT
Thanks Lorin, I have now emailed this proposal to Dave Alder. Some good points made by Nigel which I am sure will lead to a good discussion about the proposal and also the best way to run these competitions in the future.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Oct 31, 2013 11:34:09 GMT
Thanks Lorin, I have now emailed this proposal to Dave Alder. Some good points made by Nigel which I am sure will lead to a good discussion about the proposal and also the best way to run these competitions in the future. Added to thread first post summary Sav
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Post by The Chubbster™ on Nov 15, 2013 12:39:16 GMT
May I ask if this is being taken forward? (I'm now copiing from the 2012 Minutes)
Lorin C suggested that matters of game growth, publicity and exposure be coordinated more formally and that an officer post be created as part of the AEBBA committee. This will ensure that dedicated focus is given to this endeavour and campaigns as well as progress updates can be brought to the bar Billiard community. Peter S - reminded the group of a book produced by Simon Tinto and offered to pass this to Lorin. Chris S supported this suggestion and added that the role of Publicity officer (or role to be defined) - will need to be proposed and seconded at next AGM. Proposals were invited to that effect.
If not, then when is the official deadline for proposals?
Edit: I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the deadline for rule proposals is Tomorrow. Anyone want to brainstorm of this?
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Post by milko on Nov 15, 2013 13:48:07 GMT
Very strange that I can't find the date anywhere for this years AGM, the calendar says Dec 7th but that is a Saturday and it's usually on a Sunday! milko
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 15, 2013 13:51:33 GMT
Hi Chubby chubs
A publicity officer or Guru or another appointee, i've discussed this before as well, Lots of work i believe is done behind the scenes by current officers and we all know its a thankless task, so why not increase the current committee to spread the workload, sounds easy but it never is.
The problem being the market area could not be larger and the number of Really committed people willing to spend what will be quite a large amount of spare time to this is quite small.
You would probably need a coordinator with a small team of helpers splitting the country into more manageable areas.
Probably going over old posts now, Tommo and Warrior have commented also. I would think the AEBBA have had discussions on this ( at least i would hope so) and if they were of the opinion that this is the way forward then they would do something about it.
I have noted that there is not much comment from AEBBA on the boards on most discussion topics, perhaps they feel these matters are for AGM's only and are awaiting AGM attendees to contribute further which i suppose is proper procedure
Is this something you would be interested in dealing with yourself? perhaps you and i should get together and see what can be done in the south east if not officially then unofficially and see if we can come up with a template that can be expanded upon if successful.
I'm sure something positive can be done here and i hope that other constructive comment will be welcome
regs cs
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Post by curtd on Nov 15, 2013 14:00:03 GMT
Very strange that I can't find the date anywhere for this years AGM, the calendar says Dec 7th but that is a Saturday and it's usually on a Sunday! milko I spoke to Dave at the mixed pairs and he said the AGM was on Sun 1st Dec. Curt
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Post by The Chubbster™ on Nov 15, 2013 14:05:38 GMT
Some good points Mr Untidy,
Yes lots of work is done behind the scenes, as you say a thankless task. What I would be more interested in seeing is much broader ideas being implemented. I've discussed many ideas with regards this myself. The use of technology I am certainly interested in. I won't go over the many ideas I have as they have been discussed on here before, normally with little agreement. But I've offered to make something along the lines of a YouTube demonstration video that anyone could look up on their phone when they see a table in a pub and pretty quickly get an idea of how to play the game, rather than just being presented with a rulebook.
I would imagine a publicity type officer would be very keen to implement things like that. My skills are very much technical.
I would be lying if I said I had any plans to stand for such a position myself. But we could always talk about something things we could move forward with together. But I would rather AEBBA be on board with this.
The video I will probably make at some point though, an there is defiantly gong to be a live game played sometime soon.
I would just be interested in the potion being made.
Last time I brought this up, there was an argument about who has the time to do it. I would rather we establish a need first and create a post, then worry about filling it later. That said I understand their position. We ask too much already of those working so hard in current roles and positions, and I can't see anyone new coming forward.
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Post by milhouse on Nov 15, 2013 14:05:59 GMT
Very strange that I can't find the date anywhere for this years AGM, the calendar says Dec 7th but that is a Saturday and it's usually on a Sunday! milko I spoke to Dave at the mixed pairs and he said the AGM was on Sun 1st Dec. Curt I thought it was on Sunday the 8th ?
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Post by The Chubbster™ on Nov 15, 2013 14:07:06 GMT
Very strange that I can't find the date anywhere for this years AGM, the calendar says Dec 7th but that is a Saturday and it's usually on a Sunday! milko I spoke to Dave at the mixed pairs and he said the AGM was on Sun 1st Dec. Curt It's in he Calendar on this forum as being Saturday 7th. Now I really am lost!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:20:59 GMT
It seems that I am the culprit and put that date up on 21st December 2012, along with some others which are also incorrect - Jersey for instance. I would have copied some advance announcement from the AEBBA section, which I too can't find there now either.
I was happy to do all the calendar entries whilst I was a moderator, but now that I'm no longer one and don't have the means to make corrections I think that someone else should make it their job to maintain it.
tommo
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Post by curtd on Nov 15, 2013 14:35:40 GMT
I've just contacted Dave Alder and he is going to check the date booked for the AGM with the club tonight and confirm on here.
Curt
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:39:02 GMT
Looking back over the calendar for 2013, every single event shows up as wrong including all those put up by people other than me !
A definite blip in the system.
I'm not a big fan of the new version of the calendar, either. Shows everyone's birthdays which I don't want to see, and you cant dial up a summary page any more.
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Post by milko on Nov 15, 2013 14:44:35 GMT
The minutes of the 2012 AGM says it's on Sunday 8th December 2013.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 15, 2013 18:12:04 GMT
Cannot understand why no one has noticed this before but all the Sunday dates for this quarter show as being on the Saturday, I guess summat went awry in the conversion.
Sav
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 15, 2013 18:33:36 GMT
A quick bit of research on this shows the trigger was the clocks going back.
All the Sunday events were antered as all day, starting at midnight, when the clocks went back all the start times became 2300hrs and hence a day forward.
Have raised a bug report, but easy to get around until fixed, don't set as an all day event.
In the meantime please do not amend the calendar events until Proboards have taken a look
Sav
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 15, 2013 22:52:26 GMT
May I ask if this is being taken forward? (I'm now copiing from the 2012 Minutes) Lorin C suggested that matters of game growth, publicity and exposure be coordinated more formally and that an officer post be created as part of the AEBBA committee. This will ensure that dedicated focus is given to this endeavour and campaigns as well as progress updates can be brought to the bar Billiard community. Peter S - reminded the group of a book produced by Simon Tinto and offered to pass this to Lorin. Chris S supported this suggestion and added that the role of Publicity officer (or role to be defined) - will need to be proposed and seconded at next AGM. Proposals were invited to that effect. If not, then when is the official deadline for proposals? Edit: I think (correct me if I'm wrong) the deadline for rule proposals is Tomorrow. Anyone want to brainstorm of this? Great discussion about this guys, but you do need somebody to propose (and second) this in time to be considered at the AGM or nothing will happen about it. I think that you also need to have somebody in mind who is willing and prepared to take the job on and they should have some ideas of how they want to promote our game to give the rest of the AGM and the new AEBBA Committee something to move forward with.... while bearing in mind that they will have little (or no) budget available to help them achieve this. I'm not being negative about this at all, just pointing out the obvious.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 16, 2013 8:52:26 GMT
Last day for proposals to the AGM 2013 is Sunday 17th November.
I will email those listed on this forum thread that evening.
Sav
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 16, 2013 9:00:45 GMT
warrior said
"I think that you also need to have somebody in mind who is willing and prepared to take the job on and they should have some ideas of how they want to promote our game to give the rest of the AGM and the new AEBBA Committee something to move forward with.... while bearing in mind that they will have little (or no) budget available to help them achieve this. I'm not being negative about this at all, just pointing out the obvious."
Anybody up for it??
this could be just a sub committee reporting to an AEBBA officer
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