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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 9:03:40 GMT
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Post by iang on Aug 8, 2013 20:18:42 GMT
All that fun for only 50P !!
We weren't doing that at the Dun Horse last night
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 10, 2013 10:28:57 GMT
So, that is what playing 4-pin is all about..... really??  It seems that you play a few shots.... then spend lots of time standing behind the table playing (bad) air guitar, frequently without even holding your cue, when it is your turn to play a shot apparantly with the sole intention of wasting as much time as possible....  Now I know why I will quite happily just keep playing 3-pin and leave it to others to "enjoy" the alternative version.... it may be bar billiards, but not as I know it!   |
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 13, 2013 10:42:12 GMT
So, that is what playing 4-pin is all about..... really?? It seems that you play a few shots.... then spend lots of time standing behind the table playing (bad) air guitar, frequently without even holding your cue, when it is your turn to play a shot apparantly with the sole intention of wasting as much time as possible.... Now I know why I will quite happily just keep playing 3-pin and leave it to others to "enjoy" the alternative version.... it may be bar billiards, but not as I know it! Ive only just seen this post!! How rude! lol 3-Pin seems to be where if you lose the toss of the coin, you have as much time as you like to practice your "Bad air guitar" because you don't seem to get to play a shot, you guys must be pros at it!  We should have an air guitar off at some point..... haha As far as the "enjoying the alternative version" lets see which game seems more fun, the above video or the 3-Pin "version" here goes....  |
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Post by daveuk1 on Oct 13, 2013 18:17:47 GMT
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 14, 2013 15:22:37 GMT
]Ive only just seen this post!! How rude! lol 3-Pin seems to be where if you lose the toss of the coin, you have as much time as you like to practice your "Bad air guitar" because you don't seem to get to play a shot, you guys must be pros at it! We should have an air guitar off at some point..... haha As far as the "enjoying the alternative version" lets see which game seems more fun, the above video or the 3-Pin "version" here goes.... Clearly it is horses for courses Carl and trying to compare the two versions of the game would be like trying to compare snooker with pool, chess with drafts or a Grand National Winner with a Blackpool Beach Donkey.... one version highly skillful with the other being more "fun" perhaps?   The top players in 3-Pin have accuracy, speed, concentration and are skillful enough to be able to score more than 20,000 in a single 17 minute game.... .... I have only watched a couple of games of 4-Pin during which it seemed that nobody scored very many points and the pegs were in the way a lot of the time....  .... so perhaps it would be best if I leave it to you to explain why you believe that version is better?  |
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Post by daveuk1 on Oct 14, 2013 20:31:13 GMT
] the pegs were in the way a lot of the time.... .... so perhaps it would be best if I leave it to you to explain why you believe that version is better? Maybe you have hit the nail on the head, the pegs are in the way and that is what makes 4-pin more skilful anyone can drop the red and white down the 50 holes from the break shot when there are NO pegs infront of the 50 holes, it takes skill and a few beers to be able to pot the 150 break on a FOUR pin table  |
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 14, 2013 23:05:17 GMT
Maybe you have hit the nail on the head, the pegs are in the way and that is what makes 4-pin more skilful anyone can drop the red and white down the 50 holes from the break shot when there are NO pegs infront of the 50 holes, it takes skill and a few beers to be able to pot the 150 break on a FOUR pin table Perhaps a few of the 4-Pin players should enter one of the 3-Pin Opens then and show us all how easy it is..... especially as the 4-Pin Open earlier this year was won by a 3-Pinner and 6 of the last 8 in that competition were also 3-Pin players!  |
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Post by daveuk1 on Oct 15, 2013 5:06:51 GMT
hmm is that fighting talk lol that was the first time any 4 pin players had played in an open, I am sure next year will be different as we know what its all about now and we may even have chance to play a couple of shots on the table before we start. But yes the 4 pin players play for the fun of the game and the beer Come down to Suffolk and play on a narrow table and I bet you find it a lot harder, pitty we only have one narrow table in the Sudbury league, but its only a couple of mins walk from the open venue  loser buys the beers |
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 15, 2013 6:58:07 GMT
Yep it was the 3-pinners that took most of the plaudits and well done to them! I think us 4-pinners should get more practice in on the competition tables.... Oh wait.....
Hehe, personally i havent really the time to practice the 3-pin game, although it is only one shot i need to perfect.... Sounds really challenging..... ;)
So maybe ill take you up on the challenge sometime... Anyone else up for it?? :D
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 15, 2013 10:08:23 GMT
I guess not.... Maybe everyone is still watching the 3-pin youtube video? Might need a few days for them to wake up..... Youve got to admit, its like watching 1p5wich play football.... ;) :D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 11:06:16 GMT
Perhaps the clips on this page are more to your taste, Carl?  www.youtube.com/profile?user=BarBilliardsRUSRe: 3-Pin vs 4-Pin as a sport, "vive la difference" is what I say. Perhaps 3-Pin has become a victim of its own success (if it appears boring)....this IMO is down to the fact that the standard at the top level has become so high that sometimes playing accurate bar billiards isn't enough - you have to be able to play faster than the opponent as well. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 15, 2013 16:30:15 GMT
Yep it was the 3-pinners that took most of the plaudits and well done to them! I think us 4-pinners should get more practice in on the competition tables.... Oh wait..... Hehe, personally i havent really the time to practice the 3-pin game, although it is only one shot i need to perfect.... Sounds really challenging..... ;) So maybe ill take you up on the challenge sometime... Anyone else up for it?? :D Only ONE shot....?? I really hope that you do take up that challenge and show all of the 3-pin players where we have been going wrong for so many years by practicing so much! There are still 3 weeks until the World Championships in Jersey, should be enough time for you to prepare for that if you only need to learn the one shot.... Of course, we all know that the reality of the game is quite different and I am equally sure that DaveUK is quite right to say this.... Come down to Suffolk and play on a narrow table and I bet you find it a lot harder, pitty we only have one narrow table in the Sudbury league, but its only a couple of mins walk from the open venue loser buys the beers I expect that I would find it much harder, in the same way that if you put pegs in front of the holes on a snooker table it would make that game much harder than it is.... but I don't believe that anybody would think that doing that would make snooker a better game! As I said before, I think it is very much "horses for courses" whether you prefer the 3-Pin or 4-Pin version of the game and all of us will have our own preferences, but as long as we all enjoy ourselves and it keeps people playing the game that is all that matters. |
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 15, 2013 17:34:34 GMT
I sincerely hope youre not taking my comments literally? Only friendly banter BBW :D
Apologies for the 1 shot comment, i forgot about the other shot you guys take to pot the other ball left over after taking your 1 shot 3 times.... So thats..... 2 shots!!! ;)
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 15, 2013 17:36:41 GMT
Oh and all the very best of luck in the World Championships!!! Hope that flip of the coin serves you well ;)
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Oct 15, 2013 19:29:11 GMT
All for banter on the forum, that's what it's for, I was under the impression BBW had played 4 pin and didn't like it. that's up to him. I've found 4 pin to be great fun and a good enough game to stand on its own as is 3 pin. It's a shame that other elite 3 pin players have decided not to comment, and would dearly love to see a response from others rather than BBW who clearly loves the game but is uninterested In 4 pin.
Having played both versions I find that the better player will still win either game. We will see how the Suffolk folk compare with the 3 pinners this year in the open, I'm sure some will have a shock at how you 4 pinners will respond. I for one am looking forward to the difference.
Regs cs
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 15, 2013 22:34:45 GMT
I sincerely hope youre not taking my comments literally? Only friendly banter BBW :D Apologies for the 1 shot comment, i forgot about the other shot you guys take to pot the other ball left over after taking your 1 shot 3 times.... So thats..... 2 shots!!! ;) No problem Carl, friendly banter is an important part of the Forum and I would certainly not take offence at anything that you have said. A few things to help you with your 3-pin practice.... the break is usually pretty easy (you know, our 1 shot that we play 3 times) although you would have to learn how to play that from a completely different red ball spot than the one that you use.... the one-up (that's the next shot we play after the break) is also not too hard to learn.... but the big key is where you leave the one-up to enable you to play either the "split" or a "pot" for your next shot to hopefully let you get back to playing the break shot again and scoring lots more points. I hope that hasn't confused you too much as it is obviously at least 4 different basic shots you would need to learn to start with....  ....and that's before we start talking about the benefits of putting side on the ball, where to place the cue ball on the D, playing shots off the cushions.... oh and how to avoid those nasty 2 pegs that make it harder to play so many of those easy shots that you have in 4-pin at the back of the table where the table is completely open without any reason to ever miss a ball....  I did hear that Chubbster (the founder of our Forum) was thinking of making a guide to how to play bar billiards and was going to put that on a website or media outlet somewhere.... perhaps if that does happen you and the Norwich / Suffolk players could do something similar for the 4-pin version of the game and I am sure that I would then fully appreciate that playing air guitar is only a very small part of what I am sure is an excellent version of our game?  |
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Post by BB Warrior on Oct 15, 2013 22:54:02 GMT
All for banter on the forum, that's what it's for, I was under the impression BBW had played 4 pin and didn't like it. that's up to him. Hi Gandalf.... yes I have tried 4-pin, both on my table at home and also at the White Lion in Norwich, a pub that I was taken to a couple of years ago while visiting my son who was at UEA (University of East Anglia) nearby and had (obviously) found this pub had a table on one of his (numerous) evenings out in the city. I can't say that I enjoyed 4-pin anything like as much as I enjoy 3-pin, but that it just my personal preference. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 23:24:57 GMT
It's a shame that other elite 3 pin players have decided not to comment, and would dearly love to see a response from others rather than BBW .... Ok, elitist player here giving his view!  It seems to be generally accepted that there are a different set of ball skills involved in both variants: BBW quite rightly points out that normal league play is not quite as mechanical as the impression probably given: A reasonable standard 3-Pinner would probably be happy to average 4000 points over the course of a season. This is because it is vary rarely that any two tables play the same, some have uphill tendencies, some are downhill, an uphill table will make the break shot more difficult, and a downhill will be easier on the break but because the ball runs on will make the split shot more difficult to master. Then we have fast tables vs slow tables; Tables with lumpy D's and tables that have a tendency to roll to the left or to the right (shocking I know and extreme cases can be reported with a refusal to play on them). The table at my local is susceptible to atmospheric conditions: it was ridiculously easy last Wednesday but tonight played 'slower' as it has been a rainy week and slates absorb moisture. So all this can affect the shots you play and has to be taken into account. And only in very extreme cases (1% ?) will you be beaten before you get a shot. There BBW I have agreed with you (teammate ! ) but I also agree entirely with Gandalf about the 4-Pin. Different set of skills entirely, when played properly the shots 'up and back' (from the back cushion) come into it more, and also shots off the side cushions for the 100 hole which only the bravest of the 3-Pinners ever attempt. And more often than not judging the pace of shot is paramount, dropping a ball into a 50, 100 or 200 hole at dead weight, often having only half a pocket to aim for.We will see how the Suffolk folk compare with the 3 pinners this year in the open, I'm sure some will have a shock at how you 4 pinners will respond. I for one am looking forward to the difference. Regs cs BBW has certainly fired up our Eastern colleagues and a very competitive 2nd Open is in the offing. For myself, having played 3-Pin for 45 years now it made a wonderful change to try something different and it even inspired me to run a Summer 4-Pin League - which Gandalf and his team promptly won !  But the zest and hospitality of Norwich for the 1st Open was something else (you had to be there!) tommo |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 22:53:14 GMT
Another interesting video offering from Norwich........ Must call in the Kings Head next time we're up that way: table looks really well maintained. |
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We should have an air guitar off at some point..... haha
.... so perhaps it would be best if I leave it to you to explain why you believe that version is better? 
loser buys the beers 
....and that's before we start talking about the benefits of putting side on the ball, where to place the cue ball on the D, playing shots off the cushions.... oh and how to avoid those nasty 2 pegs that make it harder to play so many of those easy shots that you have in 4-pin at the back of the table where the table is completely open without any reason to ever miss a ball.... 
