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Post by BB Warrior on May 16, 2014 9:35:57 GMT
Why can there not be just a rule rather than looking at an event ?? Happy to know if I am being thick !!! A Rule would be better than naming an event ??? It has already been agreed that the wording of that particular rule was not very good and I am sure that will be changed in the near future to remove certain words and clarify when any reduction in Ranking Points would be made as a result of lower numbers in ANY competition, not just the Guernsey Pairs. Please could I ask for a little bit of patience here though as these things do not happen immediately (we all have lives and commitments away from Bar Billiards) and if people here continue to beat the Ranking Committee around the head about this then it will simply mean that people will not continue in these types of roles in the future.
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Post by Chris on May 16, 2014 21:18:55 GMT
They were just questions. Trying to support a resolution but obviously someone/thing has been taken wrongly.
I would be grateful to know whom I have upset re this.
I am very surprised that it has been taken that I am taken as trying to 'beat up the ranking committee about the head'
Don't know what to say - I am truly shocked to be honest
You all have my patience as it truly was only questions, hence the question marks in the post and no offence was meant.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Apr 5, 2015 10:47:27 GMT
The Ranking Committee discuss the Ranking Points every year and make amendments and additions to keep the system up to date and as fair as possible for all competitions. New Competitions are added and any suggestions for alterations are discussed and majority decision is reached between the 5 people on the Committee. The subject of Ranking Points for the Guernsey Pairs was actually discussed as recently as January 2014 and, at that time, the decision was that the existing system should carry on due the lower number of entries, however I have forwarded this discussion to the other members of the Ranking Committee and await their replies as to whether this should be reconsidered in view of the points made here. (Quote by BB Warrior) Norman has raised the question; Just bumping this thread as The Guernsey Open approaches and wonder if a review has been carried out by the Rankings Committee ? Given the amount of entries and interest this year, is this Open still regarded by some as a lower prestige Open ?
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Post by NigelS on Apr 5, 2015 14:23:11 GMT
Norman,
It seems there is still confusion about this -
The Guernsey Open is and always has been treated the same as all the other opens. This "lower prestige" quote has been taken out of context and does not refer to the Guernsey Open at all. It has never been considered as a lower prestige open.
Lower prestige refers to the pairs and it is in reference to the fact that the other two pairs tournaments are the world and british pairs. These two carry greater points just like the world championship singles carries more points that the other opens. If there is over 35 pairs this year it would be possible to raise the points to 75% of the other two pairs tournaments due to rule 9 in the rankings rules but this will be discussed with the committee if this occurs.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Apr 5, 2015 17:03:05 GMT
Thank you for the detailed reply Nigel. I understand the explanation now although still find the whole reasoning a little unusual, as do many others. But that is the decision of the Rankings Committee and we that disagree can do little about it.
An Example - Guernsey hold Hill Climbs for timed car runs up Les Val des Terres, five or six times a year. Once a year it holds the 'National' as part of the British Circuit. Although there may be less cars visiting from the UK, the winners get the same amount of points as they would do on any other British Hill, and there is no penalty/distinction for the fact that there could possibly be fewer than usual entrants. The same rule is applied to many other sports and competitions. I have never heard of lesser points being awarded to the winner or winners of a tournament in any other competitive sport in the Channel Islands, just because there are fewer entrants than in other similar UK competitions.
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Post by BB Warrior on Apr 5, 2015 22:08:03 GMT
Thank you for the detailed reply Nigel. I understand the explanation now although still find the whole reasoning a little unusual, as do many others. But that is the decision of the Rankings Committee and we that disagree can do little about it. An Example - Guernsey hold Hill Climbs for timed car runs up Les Val des Terres, five or six times a year. Once a year it holds the 'National' as part of the British Circuit. Although there may be less cars visiting from the UK, the winners get the same amount of points as they would do on any other British Hill, and there is no penalty/distinction for the fact that there could possibly be fewer than usual entrants. The same rule is applied to many other sports and competitions. I have never heard of lesser points being awarded to the winner or winners of a tournament in any other competitive sport in the Channel Islands, just because there are fewer entrants than in other similar UK competitions. Hi Norman, I think nearly all sports have variations in their ranking systems from one competition to the next for various reasons and certainly golf, snooker and darts all give more ranking points for their "major" events than for other competitions. Tennis is perhaps an even better example as it also gives ranking points for doubles competition but these are then put into a totally different ranking list. It was interesting to look at the particular example (hill climbs) that you used and I wonder how much you know about their ranking system? Yes, it is true to say that the points awarded are the same for all competitions.... however, since they award Ranking Points for the Top 10 drivers ONLY in any class in the event (10 for the winner down to 1 point for the driver in 10th place) regardless of whether the field is 20 or 200 drivers it is perhaps not a fair comparison to the Bar Billiard Ranking System. As has been stated several times previously on this thread, the Guernsey Open (Singles) has equal status and ranking points to any of the other County Opens that take place during the season, despite the fact that some of the other Opens attract more entries.... this year Surrey will have 93 entries and Sussex regularly has over 100 entries so there is certainly no penalty or distinction being applied to the Guernsey Open Singles competition by the current ranking system and there never has been. The Guernsey Pairs is a unique competition on the calendar and it can only really be compared with others pairs competitions which are currently the World Pairs Championships in Jersey and the AEBBA Pairs in Bournemouth. Both of those events do get more Ranking Points however let me ask you a simple question.... Please let me know any sport that gives the same number of ranking points to a player that wins FOUR games as they do to a player that wins SIX games?? I think it is very simple to understand that if a player wins more matches to win a competition then they should earn more ranking points.... which is exactly what the current system gives us.
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