David.G
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Post by David.G on Nov 28, 2015 9:54:18 GMT
Hi All
I will be at the DIDCOT con club at 11 am
Can the selection committee arrive by 11.15 please
I would like the AGM to start around 12.15 so can all those attending arrive around 12 noon.
A buffet will be supplied for those who are hungry
The meeting will be held in the Lounge bar
I hope to see as many of you there as possible, remember, the AGM is your chance to have your say.
Don't leave it to others, you need to be there to be heard
Many thanks Dave Alder
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Post by bigtj on Nov 28, 2015 10:08:20 GMT
Apologies from Worthing Chairman but clashes with the Littlehampton Masters, the league secretary will be in attendance I am sure
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AGM 2015
Nov 28, 2015 21:06:39 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Nov 28, 2015 21:06:39 GMT
Hi all, will the Under 25s trophy be brought down? I probably won't be able to make so would appreciate it if somebody could pick it up for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2015 23:39:22 GMT
Yes, it will.
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Post by Ros on Nov 29, 2015 9:09:56 GMT
I would like to know why the AGM is being held at Didcot? Surely the AGM should be held somewhere more central to the Bar Billiards counties - such as Reading?
I understand that we have to have most of the AEBBA tournaments at the Con Club, because they are storing the tables without charge, but this is not a tournament.
I have travelled up from Sussex twice in the last few weeks, I reckon it cost me around £60 each time because I was unable to arrange a lift or to take anyone else.
I'm afraid this is beginning to look like economic discrimination against those living in Sussex, Kent, Hampshire and Surrey.
I am not the only one from Sussex who is looking at the cost of yet another trip and wondering whether it is affordable/justifiable.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 29, 2015 9:25:06 GMT
Part of the package to use the Didcot Club and keep the tables there Ros.
It's not free any more though, that was lost, as very nearly was use of the Club as a whole when AEBBA wanted to take half the comps to Arborfield, who also wanted to charge!
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 29, 2015 13:36:32 GMT
Part of the package to use the Didcot Club and keep the tables there Ros.
It's not free any more though, that was lost, as very nearly was use of the Club as a whole when AEBBA wanted to take half the comps to Arborfield, who also wanted to charge!
I know that AEBBA were required to hold their competitions at Didcot but I didn't think that extended to having to go there for the AGM as well.... I have to agree with Ros here, having already been there for County Division 1, Ladies County Championships, Alternative Rules, Team Cup and Grand Prix this would be my SIXTH trip to Didcot since the middle of September.... with Jersey weekend also in that period. If AEBBA want to encourage more players to take part in their competitions and also attend the AGM, I think that either the competitions need to be spread out more over the course of the year or a more central location needs to be found. Please would somebody pass our apologies to the meeting from both Colleen & I as we will not be attending.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 16:07:43 GMT
Part of the package to use the Didcot Club and keep the tables there Ros.
It's not free any more though, that was lost, as very nearly was use of the Club as a whole when AEBBA wanted to take half the comps to Arborfield, who also wanted to charge!
It seems to me we're not playing our hand very well here: with two rival venues vying for our business surely we hold the aces and should be able to choose whichever tender represents the best deal for our members.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 29, 2015 18:35:25 GMT
Beggars cannot be choosers in our case.
Didcot kindly agreed to host all the AEBBA comps and functions last year and store the tables when the Post Office Club folded, no charge being mentioned. It was not an ideal venue location wise but we should be very grateful to them.
AEBBA repaid them by trying to take half the comps to Arborfield this year. This caused the club to threaten to cease storing the tables and to charge AEBBA £200 for storing them. Arborfield also wanted £50 a function.
Fortunately, in my view, common-sense finally prevailed and the competitions remained at Didcot, but the charge remained. Any move to take trade away from them risks souring the relationship.
AEBBA have nowhere else (let alone more central) that will store the tables in the warm and dry and host the comps. You cannot leave them on the van.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 18:43:42 GMT
Is the £200 a one-off payment ? If so the deal seems to be the most reasonable in the circumstances.
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Nov 30, 2015 11:58:53 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Nov 30, 2015 11:58:53 GMT
I wouldnt use the word "discrimination" outside of its proper context Ros. To throw around that word is, in my view, very unfair and implying that sides are being treated more favourably, which is not the case given that DCC have looked after the AEBBA since the closure of the Post Office Club. Unless proof is provided of discrimination, I'd refrain from such terminology.
I appreciate that travelling from Sussex is very inconvenient, and I wouldn't want to make the trip the other way.
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Post by Ros on Nov 30, 2015 12:43:03 GMT
I wouldnt use the word "discrimination" outside of its proper context Ros. To throw around that word is, in my view, very unfair and implying that sides are being treated more favourably, which is not the case given that DCC have looked after the AEBBA since the closure of the Post Office Club. Unless proof is provided of discrimination, I'd refrain from such terminology. I appreciate that travelling from Sussex is very inconvenient, and I wouldn't want to make the trip the other way. Thank you for your advice Phil - I can't remember the last time someone questioned my use of language. I said that it was beginning to look like 'economic discrimination' - which puts the word into its proper context within the sentence. I used the phrase 'economic discrimination' because the attendance of the Southern counties players at the AGM is largely going to depend on whether they can actually afford to go. Therefore it seems reasonable to expect that there will be a large majority of players from the North of the bar billiards world at the AGM - does that seem fair to you? I am very grateful to the DCC for taking us in - none of my comments were directed at the club. However, like David, I was not aware that there was any compulsion for us to hold a non-competition event, such as the AGM, at the club. Finally - I quite agree that it's inconvenient to travel from Sussex to Didcot. But the bigger issue is the actual monetary cost of making that journey.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 30, 2015 13:12:07 GMT
anyway lets hope there is a contingency in the figures this year to pay back a percentage of the loans Chriisie and Sav laid out to buy the new Van
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 30, 2015 13:27:16 GMT
anyway lets hope there is a contingency in the figures this year to pay back a percentage of the loans Chriisie and Sav laid out to buy the new Van The accounts show that payments of £1,500 were made to each of them on 22nd November 2015, leaving a balance of £1,000 owing to them both and we should all be very thankful to both of them for their support.
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AGM 2015
Nov 30, 2015 14:30:46 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Nov 30, 2015 14:30:46 GMT
I wouldnt use the word "discrimination" outside of its proper context Ros. To throw around that word is, in my view, very unfair and implying that sides are being treated more favourably, which is not the case given that DCC have looked after the AEBBA since the closure of the Post Office Club. Unless proof is provided of discrimination, I'd refrain from such terminology. I appreciate that travelling from Sussex is very inconvenient, and I wouldn't want to make the trip the other way. Thank you for your advice Phil - I can't remember the last time someone questioned my use of language. I said that it was beginning to look like 'economic discrimination' - which puts the word into its proper context within the sentence. I used the phrase 'economic discrimination' because the attendance of the Southern counties players at the AGM is largely going to depend on whether they can actually afford to go. Therefore it seems reasonable to expect that there will be a large majority of players from the North of the bar billiards world at the AGM - does that seem fair to you? I am very grateful to the DCC for taking us in - none of my comments were directed at the club. However, like David, I was not aware that there was any compulsion for us to hold a non-competition event, such as the AGM, at the club. Finally - I quite agree that it's inconvenient to travel from Sussex to Didcot. But the bigger issue is the actual monetary cost of making that journey. I take issue with saying its discrimination because, in my mind, discrimination implies there is a victim of favouritism. I simply found it an interesting choice of words. Whereas I do sympathise with the position that you are in having to make such a trek to DCC for another time. I certainly wouldn't want to spend so much money on travel.
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AGM 2015
Dec 5, 2015 18:44:35 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 5, 2015 18:44:35 GMT
I didn't get a response re collecting the U25s trophy. Can somebody pick it up for me tomorrow please?
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Post by Auntie Pauline on Dec 6, 2015 9:46:39 GMT
I didn't get a response re collecting the U25s trophy. Can somebody pick it up for me tomorrow please? Hi Phil, I will be going to the AGM today and will collect the Under 25's cup for you x
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Dec 6, 2015 17:00:36 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 6, 2015 17:00:36 GMT
I didn't get a response re collecting the U25s trophy. Can somebody pick it up for me tomorrow please? Hi Phil, I will be going to the AGM today and will collect the Under 25's cup for you x Thank you very much Pauline!
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 10, 2015 8:49:01 GMT
The England team was announced within minutes of the meeting which affects the elite, less than ½ a percent of players.
Four evenings have now passed and the grass roots are still waiting for even the briefest of news about the most important bar billiards meeting of the year from any member of the committee.
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David.G
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Post by David.G on Dec 10, 2015 14:48:21 GMT
Hi All
The minutes of the AGM were taken by Lorin Clough (Many thanks Lorin)
I am waiting for Lorin to complete them before sending them out on the forum
Please be patient for just a little while, I'm sure Lorin will send them soon
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 23:00:36 GMT
Hi All The minutes of the AGM were taken by Lorin Clough (Many thanks Lorin) I am waiting for Lorin to complete them before sending them out on the forum Please be patient for just a little while, I'm sure Lorin will send them soon Hi there, Apologies, but there was a little confusion (on my part) as to who would be making the minutes available on this site. I issued the minutes to the AEBBA Chairman, Secretary and Treasurer last week and they are satisfied that they do represent an accurate account of the meeting. Thanks, Lorin AEBBA Annual General Meeting 2015 Minutes.pdf (214.04 KB)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:01:11 GMT
Nice set of minutes, Lorin, very well articulated ! Just spotted this amongst them:
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 17, 2015 9:30:22 GMT
No mention of Norfolk, affiliated and paid up members of AEBBA in 2014, in the 2015 minutes, yet Cambridgeshire, who are suspended, are included?
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Dec 17, 2015 10:01:18 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 17, 2015 10:01:18 GMT
Very well written minutes.
However one issue I feel needs clarification in rule 55 b, it states that a guest player must play "regularly" in a team of any other league in the particular county. How regular is regularly specifically?
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Dec 17, 2015 11:53:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 11:53:20 GMT
No mention of Norfolk, affiliated and paid up members of AEBBA in 2014, in the 2015 minutes, yet Cambridgeshire, who are suspended, are included? Hi Chris, This could be my fault but I do not recall any conversation about them. That said, I could only write notes as quickly as I could and I did not want to disrupt the flow of the meeting by continually asking people to repeat or to slow down. Maybe someone with shorthand skills or simply just an audio recording would assist next year. Lorin
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Dec 17, 2015 11:54:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 11:54:30 GMT
Very well written minutes. However one issue I feel needs clarification in rule 55 b, it states that a guest player must play "regularly" in a team of any other league in the particular county. How regular is regularly specifically? Best to direct this query to Dave Ingram or Tony Willis as it is their proposal - I'm sure they will clarify. Lorin
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 17, 2015 12:24:18 GMT
Norfolk were accepted and their affiliation fees were paid for 2014, I believe I remember by Suffolk.
They have not paid their 2015 affiliation fees and thus should have joined Cambridgeshire on the suspended list at the AGM.
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AGM 2015
Dec 17, 2015 13:03:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 13:03:14 GMT
Norfolk were accepted and their affiliation fees were paid for 2014, I believe I remember by Suffolk.
They have not paid their 2015 affiliation fees and thus should have joined Cambridgeshire on the suspended list at the AGM.
As I say, I don't recall there being specific dialogue about it but I may have inadvertently missed it. Apologies if there was.
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 17, 2015 13:43:56 GMT
Very well written minutes. However one issue I feel needs clarification in rule 55 b, it states that a guest player must play "regularly" in a team of any other league in the particular county. How regular is regularly specifically? Hi Phil, I appreciate that the term "regularly" is open to a bit of interpretation, however that same word has existed for several years in the previous set of Rules as 55a). The only real change was that eligibility was extended to allow guest players from within other Leagues inside the same county rather than just within the same League.... which hopefully will help some counties to be able to send a team to this competition in future years. My personal view is that a player should play at least 50% of the games to be called a "regular" player, if you want me to be specific then I would say 50.666667% to be on the safe side.
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Dec 17, 2015 17:32:55 GMT
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 17, 2015 17:32:55 GMT
Very well written minutes. However one issue I feel needs clarification in rule 55 b, it states that a guest player must play "regularly" in a team of any other league in the particular county. How regular is regularly specifically? Hi Phil, I appreciate that the term "regularly" is open to a bit of interpretation, however that same word has existed for several years in the previous set of Rules as 55a). The only real change was that eligibility was extended to allow guest players from within other Leagues inside the same county rather than just within the same League.... which hopefully will help some counties to be able to send a team to this competition in future years. My personal view is that a player should play at least 50% of the games to be called a "regular" player, if you want me to be specific then I would say 50.666667% to be on the safe side. That makes sense Dave. I agree with you that at least half of games played should be seen as reasonably regular. My biggest concern was that some teams could possibly take a few liberties with guests signing on and touting any old number of games played as "regular". I'd feel quite disappointed for the player who had only played 50.55555% of their league games as they'd miss out! %
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