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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 26, 2015 11:45:23 GMT
This is probably a bit of a 'duhhh, obviously' question. But for the sake of clarification, I was reading rule 110 o) and have I read it correctly that if the cue ball doesn't pass the black peg without hitting an object ball that it gets brought back?
I've seen this happen a couple of times but I don't think in those particular incidences that it's been dealt with appropriately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 21:54:11 GMT
This one has had a lot of air time, Phil, and its existence came as a surprise to many when the AEBBA Rules - previously mislaid - were re-affirned back in 2008. I remember logging this at the time: With certain League Finals Nights coming up, and indeed the circuit of Opens, it may be a good idea for those in the habit of taking on scoring duties to brush up on what (if any) changes to the AEBBA playing rules were introduced on 8th March this year. Would you be able to quote these if asked by somebody ?Foul shots incurring loss of break score penalty. 27 O) If the cue ball fails to reach an imaginary line through the black peg and parallel with the top cushion and does not strike another ball, it will be returned to the tray and the player loses his break. (this does not apply to the last ball of the game)Sav has quoted this above as a reinstatement, but the way it has been worded, the foul doesn't have to be deliberate for the ball to be given back, it comes back even if it was an accidentally 'feathered ' shot which has gone forward off the D by a couple of inches. Also, the following rule has apparently always been there, but I have seen this happen very recently (in the last 3 weeks) and the rule was not applied correctly by the scorer: Foul shots incurring loss of break score penalty. 27 E). Any ball mounting the cushion or leaving the table, even if it falls back on the playing surface. The ball should be returned to the rack. It is not a foul shot if a ball bounces upwards and returns to playing surface without touching anything apart from another ball.I will admit that I was not aware of this wording at the time, and was therefore unable to put forward a view (not that it had a bearing on the outcome of the game at all) but this one will be sticking in the memory from now on !
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 27, 2015 9:53:20 GMT
The rule 'not passing the 200 hole' was instigated by Milko during the forum driven rewrite of the rules that AEBBA had left moribund for twenty years.
I had shared a similar experience where an opponent got a few thou first break and then simply rolled a ball up the baulk line (deliberate miss) every time he went to the table. There was nothing in the rules to stop him, though it was hardly in the spirit of the game. I thus backed Milko's proposal.
I don't think it is a particularly good rule but no-one has ever come up with an improvement.
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Post by The Bullet on Dec 27, 2015 12:19:45 GMT
The rule 'not passing the 200 hole' was instigated by Milko during the forum driven rewrite of the rules that AEBBA had left moribund for twenty years.
I had shared a similar experience where an opponent got a few thou first break and then simply rolled a ball up the baulk line (deliberate miss) every time he went to the table. There was nothing in the rules to stop him, though it was hardly in the spirit of the game. I thus backed Milko's proposal.
I don't think it is a particularly good rule but no-one has ever come up with an improvement. Hi, One way to stop the above could be a warriant of Guernseys rule 44 ii: Deliberately missing the object ball. this is the same as knocking over the black peg, which would result in the total loss of the recorded score.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 27, 2015 20:10:48 GMT
The rule 'not passing the 200 hole' was instigated by Milko during the forum driven rewrite of the rules that AEBBA had left moribund for twenty years.
I had shared a similar experience where an opponent got a few thou first break and then simply rolled a ball up the baulk line (deliberate miss) every time he went to the table. There was nothing in the rules to stop him, though it was hardly in the spirit of the game. I thus backed Milko's proposal.
I don't think it is a particularly good rule but no-one has ever come up with an improvement. I take no issue with the rule because as you pointed out, to commit that foul (as it is described in the rules) is against the spirit of the game and a dirty tactic. This is supposed to be a gentleman's game (at least as I subjectively understand it). I felt it was incumbent on me to seek a clarification, really just out of curiosity (and boredom) as I was reading through the last AGM's minutes and KT mentioned in the AOB about rule 110 j). I decided to see what that pertained to and stumbled across 110 o).
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 28, 2015 9:15:43 GMT
I felt it was incumbent on me to seek a clarification, really just out of curiosity (and boredom) as I was reading through the last AGM's minutes and KT mentioned in the AOB about rule 110 j). I decided to see what that pertained to and stumbled across 110 o). Re 110J that's KT's interpretation of the rule which exposes a slight ambiguity in that rule as to whether the ball is knocked off the 'D' in the act of cue strokes for a shot, or with the side of the cue if using the cue to position the ball ready for play.
Personally I would only call a foul shot if the player was cueing up a shot and not if the ball falls off the 'D' by cue or hand when merely positioning the ball ready for play.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 28, 2015 10:49:32 GMT
I felt it was incumbent on me to seek a clarification, really just out of curiosity (and boredom) as I was reading through the last AGM's minutes and KT mentioned in the AOB about rule 110 j). I decided to see what that pertained to and stumbled across 110 o). Re 110J that's KT's interpretation of the rule which exposes a slight ambiguity in that rule as to whether the ball is knocked off the 'D' in the act of cue strokes for a shot, or with the side of the cue if using the cue to position the ball ready for play.
Personally I would only call a foul shot if the player was cueing up a shot and not if the ball falls off the 'D' by cue or hand when merely positioning the ball ready for play.
I agree with that, I think common sense should dictate what is or isn't a foul in this instance.
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