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Post by specialone on Jan 18, 2012 12:47:51 GMT
There are plenty of sports with more than one World Championship. The second darts WC has just finished. Golf has 4, and unlike darts, all are co-sanctioned by all the tours. accenture, Cadillac, Bridgestone and the HSBC. None has achieved the status as the 4 established majors.
As for Bar Bills, Maybe there is a desire for a championship on British soil that mirrors/complements the Jersey event. If the name is a problem, one that reflects the status of the event, but does not infringe the rights of the current event, how about, THE WORLD MATCHPLAY CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Hope this helps, doubt if it will.
TSO
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 14:06:58 GMT
There are plenty of sports with more than one World Championship. It's a thought, but not one that I subscribe to. Sports lose credibility when factions break away to form rival world championships - it even happened with Chess for chrissake! I would not like to see our World Championship, hosted so admirably by Jersey, diminished in any way. British Open or British Isles Open (with Channel Isles invited) held somewhere on the south coast sounds just about right to me. |
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Post by specialone on Jan 18, 2012 15:30:52 GMT
I totally agree with you Tommo. Was just suggesting an alternative name for those who wanted 'world' included. The point I wanted to make with the golf is that these so called World Championships are not on the general public's radar. I lost interest in boxing when there seemed to be 3 world champions at every weight division, and there was no limit to the amount of weight divisions. I am in training for a crack at the 'light lardy' title.
Shaun
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 16:08:52 GMT
Darts was another one to suffer with a 16-year rift. Never saw the point of having two separate world Champions. ???
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Jan 18, 2012 16:41:54 GMT
It would be good from my point of view to hold an "off the spot" Open somewhere else other than Jersey and Guernsey.
However even to call it the British Isles Open in my opinion could lead to problems and controversy in the future, as there is always a danger of tournament rivalry creeping in, perhaps
not with the guys involved now, but say 10 years down the line.
Each Open is unique, however Jersey's would never be bettered in terms of prestige, organization and kudos.
And that is saying something coming from a Guernsey resident !
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 18, 2012 17:55:13 GMT
It would be good from my point of view to hold an "off the spot" Open somewhere else other than Jersey and Guernsey. However even to call it the British Isles Open in my opinion could lead to problems and controversy in the future, as there is always a danger of tournament rivalry creeping in, perhaps not with the guys involved now, but say 10 years down the line. Each Open is unique, however Jersey's would never be bettered in terms of prestige, organization and kudos.And that is saying something coming from a Guernsey resident ! Oh my, to say something like that Norman must have been hitting the Shandy all day to drown his sorrows after their defeat last night..... :o ;D ;D ;D Perhaps I am missing the point though here.... rather than discussing (and apparently disagreeing) about WHAT the competition should be called.... shouldn't we be talking about HOW we can actually get it up and running.... ::) |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 18:08:54 GMT
shouldn't we be talking about HOW we can actually get it up and running.... ::) Quite so, in terms of organisation, WHO, WHEN and WHERE also relevant...... |
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Post by NigelS on Jan 18, 2012 18:52:06 GMT
I think we have a great opportunity to get this off the ground, but the key is getting someone to organise it and getting a venue plus tables. As BBWarrior says we did toy with the idea of running after the Sussex Open as we would have the tables at no extra charge but we couldn;t get the venue Darts was another one to suffer with a 16-year rift. Never saw the point of having two separate world Champions. ??? Didn't Chess even have 2 world championships for a while, Tommo? These rifts don't do anything for any sports/ games. I am sure we could come up with a name for the tournament that wouldn't upset anyone! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2012 19:31:36 GMT
Didn't Chess even have 2 world championships for a while, Tommo? These rifts don't do anything for any sports/ games. I am sure we could come up with a name for the tournament that wouldn't upset anyone! Yes indeed, Nigel. Quote: After long term friction with the international chess organisation, FIDE, Kasparov set up the rival organisation, the Professional Chess Association (PCA) and arranged a World Championship match in 1993 in which he beat British Grandmaster, Nigel Short. At the same time FIDE held their official Championship match between former World Champion, Anatoly Karpov and Jan Timman which Karpov won. Both Kasparov and Karpov claimed the title of World Champion.Like Fischer before him, Kasparov was the supreme genius but had a flaw in his personality. |
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Post by milhouse on Jan 19, 2012 13:09:03 GMT
Time to add my bit into the ring :)
Some of you may have heard that i have been toying with the idea of getting an Off The Spot Tournament arranged for this year. I have put plans on the back-foot as i had heard that Nigel/Dave etc. were trying to get something organised in Sussex.
Now this is not going to happen, i can start thinking about it again.
I know time is short, but what are people's thoughts about organising it towards the end of March/beginning of April ? Or is there another time of year people would prefer ?
Obviously this would be in Oxfordshire, so a rough idea of numbers would also be of benefit!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 14:47:38 GMT
I know time is short, but what are people's thoughts about organising it towards the end of March/beginning of April ? Or is there another time of year people would prefer ? Which year, Mark ? If the competition is to have any sort of stature you would have to invite the Channel Islands players, and if it's 2012 you have in mind, that is not allowing them sufficient time to book holidays or flights. Quite frankly, such a venture takes months and months in preparation, I remember a whole year went into the planning of the First Surrey Open. End March/early April is just about the worst time to choose for us down here, with League seasons coming to an end, last minute competition games to fit in and Finals Nights in the offing. :-/ |
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Post by milhouse on Jan 19, 2012 15:26:34 GMT
I know time is short, but what are people's thoughts about organising it towards the end of March/beginning of April ? Or is there another time of year people would prefer ? Which year, Mark ? If the competition is to have any sort of stature you would have to invite the Channel Islands players, and if it's 2012 you have in mind, that is not allowing them sufficient time to book holidays or flights. Quite frankly, such a venture takes months and months in preparation, I remember a whole year went into the planning of the First Surrey Open. End March/early April is just about the worst time to choose for us down here, with League seasons coming to an end, last minute competition games to fit in and Finals Nights in the offing. :-/ I am looking at this year. I know things take time, but this isn't the first time i would have organised an Open. I worked with Ray doing the Oxford Open for 3 years, so know what goes into organising one. This is why i have asked for people's opinion on if they would be available on this kind of notice? If not, then looking forward to maybe June/July time. |
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Post by milhouse on Jan 19, 2012 15:32:50 GMT
Looking at dates a bit later on the June 24th looks favourite - 2 weeks either side of the Sussex and Kent Opens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2012 15:59:40 GMT
I know things take time, but this isn't the first time i would have organised an Open. I worked with Ray doing the Oxford Open for 3 years, so know what goes into organising one. Agreed that planning the venue, tables, competition format, what you have to encounter on the day, and balancing the books etc are all demanding - and it helps if you have some experience, which I'm sure you do. But the real headache comes in gaining sufficient publicity for the event: You have to fire the public's imagination: do you intend to commission a smart trophy, for instance ? Are you offering prize money ? Do you have sponsors lined up ? We are talking a national tournament here. Have you considered starting it off as an Oxfordshire-only event to get it off the ground, then maybe "opening" it up to all-comers the following year ? A British (Isles) Off-the-spot Open is such a good idea and I'd hate to see the first one cancelled through lack of interest and thus be lost for ever. |
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Post by milhouse on Jan 19, 2012 16:04:52 GMT
I know things take time, but this isn't the first time i would have organised an Open. I worked with Ray doing the Oxford Open for 3 years, so know what goes into organising one. Agreed that planning the venue, tables, competition format, what you have to encounter on the day, and balancing the books etc are all demanding - and it helps if you have some experience, which I'm sure you do. But the real headache comes in gaining sufficient publicity for the event: You have to fire the public's imagination: do you intend to commission a smart trophy, for instance ? Are you offering prize money ? Do you have sponsors lined up ? We are talking a national tournament here. Have you considered starting it off as an Oxfordshire-only event to get it off the ground, then maybe "opening" it up to all-comers the following year ? A British (Isles) Off-the-spot Open is such a good idea and I'd hate to see the first one cancelled through lack of interest and thus be lost for ever. It would of course be an Open event and everyone would be more than welcome to enter and seeing the amount of people commenting on here, i think there would be sufficient interest. As it would be a National or BI Off the Spot Open, it would really come under the umbrella of an AE competition. I have spoken to Dave Alder about this with regards to the table hire and a perpetual trophy, so that would all be taken care of. There would be normal trophies and prize money as with any other open. I will start another thread with a poll (If i work out how!) to get an idea of interest! |
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