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Post by peetee on Oct 18, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
Premier League P W D L Pts Oracle 20 15 3 2 89 Vikings A 20 13 5 2 87 Berinsfield Club 20 11 4 5 72
League One P W D L Pts Donnington 20 12 5 3 79 Masons A 20 10 4 6 70 Democrats Club 20 8 6 6 62
League Two P W D L Pts Glad's A 20 9 2 9 63 H/Ton Con Club 20 5 5 10 48 Masons B 20 4 4 12 48 Vikings B 19 1 3 15 27 Glad's B 19 0 1 18 10
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Post by sandra on Nov 8, 2016 9:24:00 GMT
Hi Pete Sorry to be picky but something not quite right here. According to my records Demos have won 3 and drawn 1. It's probably just a typo as the points are correct.
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Post by delboy on Nov 8, 2016 16:32:49 GMT
2 out of 3 correct so far Pete
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Post by BigPhilMac on Mar 29, 2017 18:14:01 GMT
The state of the league table raises a question. If Berinsfield were to finish with more points than Donnington but Donny would win the league and Berinsfield come bottom, would there be a point to relegating Berinsfield?
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Post by milhouse on Mar 29, 2017 23:34:13 GMT
The state of the league table raises a question. If Berinsfield were to finish with more points than Donnington but Donny would win the league and Berinsfield come bottom, would there be a point to relegating Berinsfield? I am pretty sure the league rules state that the team finishing top/bottom of their section will get promoted/relegated unless they have either strengthened or weakened their team.
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Post by peetee on Mar 30, 2017 22:23:58 GMT
The state of the league table raises a question. If Berinsfield were to finish with more points than Donnington but Donny would win the league and Berinsfield come bottom, would there be a point to relegating Berinsfield? I am pretty sure the league rules state that the team finishing top/bottom of their section will get promoted/relegated unless they have either strengthened or weakened their team. Correct Mark.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Mar 31, 2017 8:59:40 GMT
Fair enough %
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Post by peetee on Apr 23, 2017 8:47:04 GMT
League tables updated 23rd April.
Please check if you all agree as their only 2 weeks left of the league season. Thanks Pete
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Post by milhouse on Apr 25, 2017 8:30:43 GMT
Pete, can you remind everyone what the criteria is if teams finish level, thanks
Is it...
Matches Won Head to Head Playoff
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Post by petersoanes on Apr 25, 2017 17:10:52 GMT
Pete, can you remind everyone what the criteria is if teams finish level, thanks Is it... Matches Won Head to Head Playoff ?? Matches won agg score
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Post by petersoanes on Apr 25, 2017 17:45:29 GMT
Pete, can you remind everyone what the criteria is if teams finish level, thanks Is it... Matches Won Head to Head Playoff ?? Matches won agg score oopps wrong Pete I think see you later
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Post by milhouse on Apr 28, 2017 9:38:18 GMT
Pete, can you remind everyone what the criteria is if teams finish level, thanks Is it... Matches Won Head to Head Playoff ?? Bump
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Post by delboy on Apr 29, 2017 8:33:45 GMT
It's head to head result
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Post by peetee on May 2, 2017 16:30:54 GMT
Updated 2/5/17
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Post by milhouse on May 2, 2017 21:38:07 GMT
Any chance of answering my question Pete? I don't think Alan is correct in it being head to head results first. Thanks
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Post by alan on May 3, 2017 8:58:28 GMT
Any chance of answering my question Pete? I don't think Alan is correct in it being head to head results first. Thanks You are correct Mark.... Proposal from 2010 AGM6. Where 2 teams are level on points for either 1st or 2nd or 2nd and 3rd or 3rd and 4th place in the league, the team that has won the most matches should take the higher place. If it is still level after that it should go on the head to head result between the teams. If still level there should be a play off on a neutral table. Proposed: Bob Pincombe Seconded: Dave Gordon Carried
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Post by milhouse on May 3, 2017 9:02:23 GMT
Any chance of answering my question Pete? I don't think Alan is correct in it being head to head results first. Thanks You are correct Mark.... Proposal from 2010 AGM6. Where 2 teams are level on points for either 1st or 2nd or 2nd and 3rd or 3rd and 4th place in the league, the team that has won the most matches should take the higher place. If it is still level after that it should go on the head to head result between the teams. If still level there should be a play off on a neutral table. Proposed: Bob Pincombe Seconded: Dave Gordon Carried Thanks Alan, that is what i thought!
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Post by delboy on May 5, 2017 8:58:14 GMT
Premier winners Oracle Section 1 winners Donnington Section 2 winners Glads A Just as I predicted at beginning of season we seriously need to look at grading & the relegation rule there are less teams when rule was put in it needs changing . Any team that was in section 1 this year that finishes bottom would be far to strong for section 2 next year as was Glads A this year , we are not giving the other sides in section 2 a chance
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Post by beefy on May 5, 2017 10:56:51 GMT
simple really, everyone is playing everyone now so you can put all the tables together and use that list to seperate the teams. Obviously if the players change significantly you take that into account.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 5, 2017 14:01:49 GMT
There must be a point when we say "no, X team is far too strong to play in section 2 even if they were relegated from section 1".
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Post by barbelman on May 5, 2017 15:17:46 GMT
We have had to do this for many years now in Witney as the top and bottom sections are really polarised. We call it 'regrading' rather than automatic promotion/demotion.... Although we give both teams involved the opportunity to move up or down, they have thusfar declined. It would make no sense as the teams would simply yo-yo between sections each season. Tony
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Post by delboy on May 5, 2017 15:43:31 GMT
We have had to do this for many years now in Witney as the top and bottom sections are really polarised. We call it 'regrading' rather than automatic promotion/demotion.... Although we give both teams involved the opportunity to move up or down, they have thusfar declined. It would make no sense as the teams would simply yo-yo between sections each season. Tony It's the only way to make it fair yes we all play for the enjoyment but it's also good to be competitive . You could have a 1 team win section 2 next year but it could be easily won by a different team the following . All that is happening at the moment is a team from section 1 gets relegated then they walk away with section 2 following year which is not right . If it happened to my team we would not want to be be moved down .
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Post by milhouse on May 5, 2017 23:35:51 GMT
Couple of points on these posts over the past few hours....
Alan - If you disagree with what the league rules are, then propose a change. Whinging on here will achieve nothing.
Phil - There is a caveat to the rule that states if a team weakens/strengthens their team, then they could/will be changed section. This is evident this season with Donnington signing on a player during the season which would have made a difference to their section if said person would have been signed on from the start, nobody really knows why the league allowed it which is contrary to the rules.
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Post by barbelman on May 6, 2017 8:17:16 GMT
Couple of points on these posts over the past few hours.... Alan - If you disagree with what the league rules are, then propose a change. Whinging on here will achieve nothing. Phil - There is a caveat to the rule that states if a team weakens/strengthens their team, then they could/will be changed section. This is evident this season with Donnington signing on a player during the season which would have made a difference to their section if said person would have been signed on from the start, nobody really knows why the league allowed it which is contrary to the rules. Mark - If you disagree with what the league rules are, then propose a change. Whinging on here will achieve nothing.. (hehe...just being Devil's advocate ) I thought it was quite a civilised discussion tbh T.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 7, 2017 6:43:19 GMT
Couple of points on these posts over the past few hours.... Alan - If you disagree with what the league rules are, then propose a change. Whinging on here will achieve nothing. Phil - There is a caveat to the rule that states if a team weakens/strengthens their team, then they could/will be changed section. This is evident this season with Donnington signing on a player during the season which would have made a difference to their section if said person would have been signed on from the start, nobody really knows why the league allowed it which is contrary to the rules. I understand where you're coming from Mark. But what I'm trying to say is that this season, Democrats will be relegated. Given their team on paper, they should walk section 2. I appreciate that they would of come runner up in section 2 given their points tally because for whatever reason they've struggled, but if we were to talk in general terms, it's not unreasonable to say they'd be by far the strongest team (no disrespect intended to section 2 sides). It's with that I think we have to not be as black and white with the grading, apply common sense and say "they'll walk away with the league and not give the other sides a thing to play for". I have to say I like Tony's approach of consulting the specific teams. It has to be the first time we've agreed on anything! %
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Post by barbelman on May 7, 2017 9:29:03 GMT
I have to say I like Tony's approach of consulting the specific teams. It has to be the first time we've agreed on anything! % I don't have a clue what you're talking about - I agree with everyone....
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Post by PintOfRealAle on May 7, 2017 10:15:09 GMT
I must say that for thepast 4 seaons ihave been playing we alwaus try to finish 2nd, never have a chance of winning it, except the year there were only 2 teans in section 2, oh wait, we were still 2nd haha
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 7, 2017 11:19:00 GMT
I have to say I like Tony's approach of consulting the specific teams. It has to be the first time we've agreed on anything! % I don't have a clue what you're talking about - I agree with everyone.... Of course!
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Post by milhouse on May 8, 2017 14:32:24 GMT
Couple of points on these posts over the past few hours.... Alan - If you disagree with what the league rules are, then propose a change. Whinging on here will achieve nothing. Phil - There is a caveat to the rule that states if a team weakens/strengthens their team, then they could/will be changed section. This is evident this season with Donnington signing on a player during the season which would have made a difference to their section if said person would have been signed on from the start, nobody really knows why the league allowed it which is contrary to the rules. I understand where you're coming from Mark. But what I'm trying to say is that this season, Democrats will be relegated. Given their team on paper, they should walk section 2. I appreciate that they would of come runner up in section 2 given their points tally because for whatever reason they've struggled, but if we were to talk in general terms, it's not unreasonable to say they'd be by far the strongest team (no disrespect intended to section 2 sides). It's with that I think we have to not be as black and white with the grading, apply common sense and say "they'll walk away with the league and not give the other sides a thing to play for". I have to say I like Tony's approach of consulting the specific teams. It has to be the first time we've agreed on anything! % At the end of the day Phil, it was an AGM decision to do the promotion/relegation this was and from what i remember it was pretty unanimous, so there is only one way to change it.... I understand what you are saying about teams being too strong and not having anything to play for but when you think Didcot had been in the Premier for the last 10 years or so and finished bottom without being relegated, so how is that fair on them?
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Post by peetee on May 8, 2017 17:09:51 GMT
Final league games updated. Glad's B v Viks B not played. Cheers Pete
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