Eastbourne 4 Pin Summer league

[gandalf the untidy]

Hi All,

Its time to start thinking about 4 pin in Sussex



Those interested in forming a 3 man team should declare an interest here or email me, we accept application from any team based in Sussex, and have already had conversations with some teams

As ever the format will depend on the number of applications which need to be received by end of May 2017, match nights are on Tuedsays and as there are 6 games the
1st game should start 8pm or there abouts, current amended rules will be posted shortly

Teams so far

Seven Sisters
Star
Ashburnham hastings ( may be playing from a more westerly venue)

Possible others that may be interested
Henty
Laughing fish
Jenny Lind
Hollingbury
County Oak
Nags Head
The Bull

other applications from teams based in Worthing, Mid Sussex, Horsham, Brighton, Crawley or Billingshurst teams would be accepted

[gandalf the untidy]

Hi Eastbourne bb fans

Eastbourne 4 Pin League Rules 25/04/17 with adjustments in highlighted in Yellow

1.      All teams shall play all other teams in their division at home and away. Venues will be agreed by committee before the league commences. Each team should register 3 players only, other players can be named as designated reserves, registered players can only play for 1 team per season , designated reserves and new unregistered players can play without prior notice, and play for any team. This is to ensure maximum exposure of 4 pin to players who wish to play. Each team shall pay to the league the registration fee of £5.00
2.      Matches shall consist of a Minimum of 3 players playing 2 games in each session. The home players (1,2 & 3) and Visitors players (4,5 & 6)names will be drawn prior to the match starting, the Home team will break in the 1st 3 games, their opponents will have the break in the 2nd 3 games in the following format. Player1 v player 4, Player 2 v Player 5,Player 3 v Player 6, Player 5 v Player 1, Player 6 v Player 2, Player 4 v Player3. Captains can substitute players in the 2 half at their discression without penalty.
4.      Teams will not be able to adjust the playing date and times without the agreement of the committee
5.      Matches shall be played on Tuesday evenings starting at 8.00pm.
6.      Players will be expected to score matches when they are not playing . it is recommended ( but not essential) that the visiting team provide a checker to avoid errors. The scores in each game will be recorded and sent to the secretary within 3 days preferably by e-mail or text. A one point penalty will be enforced should results not be sent. All breaks over 500 will be recorded for each player in each game. One Point shall be awarded to the player winning each leg.
7.     A copy of these rules should be available at each venue. Disputes will be resolved at the venue by mutual agreement of the attending captains. In the event of no agreement both captains should bring the dispute to the attention of the committee within 3 days with both versions of the incident, the decisions of the committee will be final
8.      Should any team withdraw from competition before all the fixtures have been completed, the committee will ensure that match results will be adjusted to ensure the fairest possible outcome will result.
9.      The funds of the league shall be deposited in a bank account with two signatories. Two signatories must sign all cheques.

10.       The league officers shall consist of a chairman, secretary, treasurer & such others as the AGM may decide to appoint.
11.      The AGM will be held after the completion of the league season & prior to the commencement of the following season, unless otherwise decided by the membership at an extraordinary meeting. Interim business will be dealt with by the committee, which will meet as necessary.

12.      Members of the league may call a general meeting if more than 5 members wish to do so. Members may also request a committee meeting if more than 5 members wish to do so.

13.      All other business of the league shall be conducted in accordance with the wishes of the AGM.

14.      The league may expel any member who is adjudged to have deliberately disregarded the rules of the league if such action is called for by a majority of the membership

15.      No opposing team players shall move or adjust the table unless a specific request is made from either members of the Home Side or the Landlord.



Rules of Play

1.      In all matches, a coin shall be tossed to determine the order of play. The away player to call. (Deleted)
2.     4 Mushrooms (not pegs) should be placed in front of the 4 high scoring holes.  There must be 7 White balls and 1 red ball in the tray after the timer jack is pulled. To start the game, place the red ball on the spot above the 'D' and play a white ball from the centre of the 'D'. This is called the break shot. The centre of the 'D' should be marked with a spot. Thereafter, with the exception of further break shots, and the last ball, either coloured ball may be played from any position within the confines of the 'D'. All strokes throughout the game must be played from the 'D'.
3.      The player must not play the cue ball directly into a hole. The cue ball must first strike another ball to become a scoring shot.
4.      When the red ball is sunk, the score of that ball is doubled. When 2 balls are sunk from the break shot position on 3 consecutive occasions into any pockets the scorer will call “One Up” if both balls then fall in any holes a foul is called and that break score is lost.
5.      When all balls are in play, and none left in the tray, the ball nearest to the baulk line is returned and played from the 'D' to continue the game. If two or more balls are equidistant from the baulk line the ball nearest to the centre should be returned to continue play as it is "nearest to the D".
6.      When no balls are left in play, the red and white balls are positioned as for the start of the game.
7.      When a ball returns to cut the baulk line ( not the edge of the baize), that ball is removed to the tray.
8.      If a mushroom is knocked over by a ball and cannot be replaced because of obstruction by a ball, that ball shall be removed to the tray. The peg must be replaced to its correct position immediately.
9.      If a mushroom is knocked from its correct position without falling over, if possible it shall be immediately replaced on its spot, if a ball is obstructing the spot the mushroom will remain in its position until such time as that ball is moved from the spot then be mushroom should be immediately replaced correctly. If a break ends the mushroom will be respotted and the ball returned to the tray.
10.      If a ball and peg are wedged in a hole together, the peg is to be removed first and the ball allowed to drop down the hole and not returned to the tray even after the gate has dropped.
11.      Each player continues until a non-scoring shot is played.
12.      Once a player leaves the table their break is deemed over, should a ball fall down a hole after they have left the table this will not count towards their break or their opponents break unless their opponent has first struck the cue ball whether or not it strikes another ball.
13.      Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double.
14.      The last ball on the table shall be played from the centre of the 'D', into either 50,100 or 200 holes only off one side cushion only. If the last ball is correctly played, but not holed, the player keeps the score of that break.
Foul Shots
1.      The player looses his/her entire score if :-
a.      The last ball is holed without striking the side cushion.
b.      The player causes the peg covering the 200 hole to be knocked over.
2.      The player loses the score of that break if :-
1.      The cue ball fails to strike another ball.
2.      Any ball returns to cut the baulk line (not the edge of the baize). (The 'D' counts as baulk).
3.      The same break shot is played more than three times in succession.
4.      The player causes any peg, other than that covering the '200' hole, to be knocked over.
5.      The player fails to keep 1 ball up when instructed by the scorer
6.      Any ball leaves the table, or strikes the backboard, even if that ball returns to the normal play area.
7.      Any ball is played other than from the 'D'.
8.      The player causes any ball to move other than a shot played correctly from the 'D'.
9.      If a break shot or final ball is not played from the centre of the 'D'.
3.      If a combination of foul shots occur, then, regardless of sequence of events, the player shall suffer the greater penalty.

Table Rules

The table shall be set out as follows:

•      Mushrooms shall be placed (the baulk line side) to cover the 200 hole, the 100 hole, and the two 50 holes and shall be set 6mm from the edge of the hole + or – 1mm
•      The spot for the red ball for the break shall be exactly halfway between the rim of the 200 hole closest to the baulk line, and the back edge of the “D” +/- 20mm (this allows for tables with older cushions which may have uneven bounces)
•      The number of balls shall be seven white and one red.
•      Tables must be maintained in good condition, and spare cues and chalk must always be provided
. The lower scoring holes should be marked with the 30 and 10 holes reversed in relation to the current AEBBA 3 pin rules

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Eastbourne 4 Pin Summer League 2017 FIXTURES

Teams Laughing Fish Captain Jim Ashford
Glynde WMC Captain Phil Osborne
Seven Sisters Captain Chris Haynes
Blacksmiths A Captain Darren Newnham
Blacksmiths B Captain Colin Southouse



20/06/17 Laughing Fish 1 V 5 Blacksmiths B
20/06/17 Blacksmiths A 2 V 4 Seven Sisters
Glynde WMC bye
27/06/17 Glynde WMC 5 V 1 Blacksmiths A
27/06/17 Seven Sisters 6 V 0 Laughing Fish
Blacksmiths B bye
04/07/17 Blacksmiths B 2 V 4 Seven Sisters
04/07/17 Laughing Fish 3 V 3 Glynde WMC
Blacksmiths A bye
11/07/17 Blacksmiths A 4 V 2 Laughing Fish
11/07/17 Glynde WMC 4 V 2 Blacksmiths B
Seven Sisters bye
18/07/17 Seven Sisters 4 V 2 Glynde WMC
18/07/17 Blacksmiths B 4 V 2 Blacksmiths A
Laughing Fish bye
25/07/17 Blacksmiths B 4 V 2 Laughing Fish
25/07/17 Seven Sisters 5 V 1 Blacksmiths A
Glynde WMC bye
01/08/17 No Match as Sussex AGM No Match as Sussex AGM
08/08/17 Blacksmiths A 1 V 5 Glynde WMC
08/08/17 Laughing Fish 2 V 4 Seven Sisters
Blacksmiths B bye
15/08/17 Seven Sisters 2 V 4 Blacksmiths B
15/08/17 Glynde WMC 5 V 1 Laughing Fish
Blacksmiths A bye
22/08/17 Laughing Fish 3 V 3 Blacksmiths A
22/08/17 Blacksmiths B 2 V 4 Glynde WMC
Seven Sisters bye
29/08/17 Glynde WMC 4 V 2 Seven Sisters
29/08/17 Blacksmiths A 3 V 3 Blacksmiths B
Laughing Fish bye

[gandalf the untidy]

4 pin reminder

fixtures start 20/06/17 on this thread with current rules as well

[gandalf the untidy]

WEEK 1 RESULTS

Laughing Fish 1 - 5 Blacksmiths B

Joseph carpenter 1770 v 2280 Peter Payne (530)
Ray Catpenter (610) bp v 1950 Colin Southouse
Andy Brooks 500 v 1240 Fred Pope
Ray Carpenter (530,510) 2190 v 2230 Peter Payne (520)
Andy Brooks 110 v 5210 Colin Southouse (850,500,940,730,1490)
Joseph Carpenter 1470 v 1250 Fred Pope

A great match tonight, Well done to Ray and Joseph, Ray was unlucky to lose both games on the last ball and Jo won his second and only lost his first thanks to a 500 break to the bar by peter at the 11th hour, plenty of interesting/lucky shots throughout the night with 2x 400's and 1x200 by Ray keeping him in both games.

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WEEK 1 RESULT CARD

Blacksmiths A 2 - 4 Seven Sisters

Darren Newnham (730) 2240 v 2680 Chris Haynes (510,690)
Rob Hall 3010 v 0 Gareth Dell
Dave Knight (500) 1440 v 2140 Mick Reilly (520)
Darren Newnham (810,670) 3100 v 1610 Gareth Dell (500)
Rob Hall 410 v 3470 Mick Reilly (600,670)
Dave Knight (620) 2010 v 2250 Chris Haynes

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WEEK 2 RESULT CARD

Glynde 5 -1 Blacksmiths A

Dave White 1620 v 1070 Alec Pope
Phil Osborne (640) 2570 v 1540 Dave Knight
Bob Osborne 1910 v 1250 Darren Newnham
Dave White 900 v 1560 Dave Knight
Phil Osborne (2360,1160,2770) 7150 v 740 Daren Newnham
Bob Osborne (860) 2150 v 1820 Alec Pope

New PB for Phil Osborne 7150

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

7sisters v laughing fish
Chris 2250 (600,680) ray 930
mick 1270 Andy 620
Gareth (1030) 2440 Joe 1280
Chris (670,500) 2420 Andy 1240
Mick (650,520) Joe 1020
Gareth 2290 ray (580) 1840.
Few 200's and 400's played tonight, Joe shows a lot of promise in this format, thoroughly enjoyable evening.

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week 3

Blacksmiths 2-4 Seven Sisters

Peter Payne 2270 v 2100 Gareth Dell
Colin Southouse 680 v 2420 Mick Reilly (550)
Fred Pope (680) 1540 v 2070 Chris HAynes (530)
Peter Payne (640) 1590 v 2850 Mick Reilly (730)
Colin Southouse (620,590,730,880) 3400 v 2020 Chris Haynes (500,550)
Fred Pope (600) 2020 v 2570 Gareth Dell (710)

Well done the 7's on their win tonight with Mick Reilly ending up with 4 x 200 shots and all with plenty of laughs with the old Eastbourne lads

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Week 3

Laughinmg Fish 3 - 3 Glynde

Jim Ashford 1180 v 1030 Dave White
Ray Carpenter 1650 v 1280 Bob Osborne (570)
Andy Brooks 780 v 1190 Phil Osborne
Jim Ashford 630 v 1770 Bob Osborne (920)
Ray Carpenter 1210 v 1860 Phil Osborne (840)
Andy Brooks 1120 v 1010 Dave White

[bobhall]

The blacksmiths table is disgusting tonight who ever put aboht 20 beer mats under the table leave it alone cos it is a shocking job i dont intend on playing it again

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Glynde 4 v 2 Blacksmiths B

Bob Osborne (620) 2140 v 1900 Fred Pope
Dave White 2070 v 1000 Colin Southouse
Phil Osborne (2180,1650,940) 5830 v 400 Peter Payne
Bob Osborne 1550 v 3350 Colin Southouse (1070,570)
Dave White 1080 v 1510 Peter Payne
Phil Osborne (1770,600,1820) 4530 v 310 Fred Pope

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Blacksmiths A 4 - 2 Laughing Fish

Darren Newnham (1080,510)3020 v 1520 Joseph Carpenter
Dave Knght (740) 1860 v 1470 Ray Carpenter
Bob Hall 1170 v 1650 Jim Ashford (560)
Darren Newnham (850,680)2430 v 2070 (500) Ray Carpenter
Dave Knight (640) 1340 v 970 Jim Ashford
Bob Hall 460 v 930 Joe Carpenter

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

7siaters v glynde
Chris 1800 (510) Phil 2830 (1290,730)
Mick 1510 Dave 900,
Gareth 2560 (550) bob 1770,
Chris 2770 (890,640,510) Dave 1110,
Mick 2900 (670,1080) bob 1430 (530),
Gareth 370 Phil 3150 (1640)
Phil losing 1500 break knocking white on last ball. Good night, chip butties, and Dave's steak pie!

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Blacksmiths B 4 -2 Blacksmiths A

Peter Payne (1190,1010,590,610) 4660 v 890 Bob Hall
Colin Southouse (1900, 1510,1170) 5420 v 2440 Darren Newnham (1530)
Fred Pope (640) 1510 v 2310 Dave Knight (1420)
Peter Payne (1380,570) 3680 v 740 Dave Knight
Colin Southouse (580,870,550) 2500 v 1910 Rob Hall (670)
Fred Pope 820 v 2480 Darren Newnham (1380,570)

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

7 sisters 5 blacksmiths 1
Gareth 1920 Alec (500) 1620
Chris 2640 (560) Darren 2120
Mick 2280 (680) Alec 1640(570)
Gareth 3310(540) Darren 3370(500,740)
Chris 3270(680,640,740) Alec 1700
Mick 2860(600,760,840) Darren 1370(660)
Great fun had by all, beer drunk, chip butties eaten and Darren getting 500 off 2 balls in 1 shot!

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Blacksmiths B 4 v 2 Laughing Fish

Fred Pope** (600) 2750 v 950 Joe Carpenter
Peter Payne** 1530 v 2420 Ray Carpenter (610,890)
Colin Southouse** (1010,930)3810 v 980 Jim Ashford
Fred Pope 1740 v 950 Ray Carpenter**
Peter Payne (680) 1710 v 2500 Jim Ashford** (640,770)
Colin Southouse (1170,1200) 3040 v 1700 Joe Carpenter**

Plenty of laughs and interesting shots tonight

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

Laughing fish 2, 7 sisters 4,
jim 1690 mick 2070 (580),
Andy 1200 Gareth 1850 (750),
Jamie 2250 Chris 320!,
Jim 2040 Gareth 2610(800),
Henry 3180 (620,560) Chris 1570,
Jamie 1380(620) mick 2390.
great evening with a quirky table and pegs a bit close to holds, but nonetheless, a good team effort from both sides, and chicken and chips! very nice, thanks guys.

[gandalf the untidy]

Aug 8, 2017 22:23:30 GMT chrishaynes (R.I.P.) said:

Laughing fish 2, 7 sisters 4,
jim 1690 mick 2070 (580),
Andy 1200 Gareth 1850 (750),
Jamie 2250 Chris 320!,
Jim 2040 Gareth 2610(800),
Henry 3180 (620,560) Chris 1570,
Jamie 1380(620) mick 2390.
great evening with a quirky table and pegs a bit close to holds, but nonetheless, a good team effort from both sides, and chicken and chips! very nice, thanks guys.

nice to see Henry having a go

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

Aug 9, 2017 16:48:44 GMT gandalf the untidy said:

Aug 8, 2017 22:23:30 GMT chrishaynes (R.I.P.) said:

Laughing fish 2, 7 sisters 4,
jim 1690 mick 2070 (580),
Andy 1200 Gareth 1850 (750),
Jamie 2250 Chris 320!,
Jim 2040 Gareth 2610(800),
Henry 3180 (620,560) Chris 1570,
Jamie 1380(620) mick 2390.
great evening with a quirky table and pegs a bit close to holds, but nonetheless, a good team effort from both sides, and chicken and chips! very nice, thanks guys.

nice to see Henry having a go

No it wasn't, well not for me anyway!

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Week 7 scorecard

Blacksmiths A 1 v 5 Glynde

Darren Newnham (1260,590) 2630 v 4360 Phil Osborne (1010,1800,930)
Alec Pope 1210 v 1740 Bob Osborne (500)
Dave Knight (610) 1280 v 1630 Dave White
Darren Newnham (620) 1300 v 2900 Bob Osborne (820,660,570)
Alec Pope 1410 v 1250 Dave White
Dave Knight (930,1400) 2490 v 3300 Phil Osborne (2070,670)

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week 8 scorecard

Seven Sisters 2 - 4 Blacksmiths B

Gareth Dell (530) 1730 v 2080 Peter Payne (620,500)
Mick Reilly (650) 2030 v 2910 Colin Southouse (970,780)
Chris Haynes (800) 1910 v 1250 Fred Pope
Gareth Dell (560) 1360 v 2900 Colin Southouse (570,1060)
Mick Reilly (920) 2240 v 1180 Fred Pope
Chris Haynes 1030 v 2910 Peter Payne (860)

Great evening with plenty of fun even if someone played an alternate shot rather than the 1 up and lost 1k, and he made the rule change doh!

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Week 9 Scorecard

Blacksmiths B 2 - 4 Glynde

Fred Pope** 1610 v 2030 Bob Osborne
Colin Southouse** 2150 v 1880 Dave White (580)
Peter Payne** (530,1710,610) 2960 v 3460 Phil Osborne (720,860,800,1000)
Fred Pope 1230 v 1980 Dave White**
Colin Southouse (530,1920) 3070 v 2900 Phil Osborne** (1350,700)
Peter Payne 630 v 4730 Bob Osborne** (1539,1950,610)

Another great night with our mates from the Glynde club, Phil pushed in both his games tonight... for a change
and some nice breaks from POP in the last game

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Late result from week 9

Laughing fish 3 - 3 Blacksmiths

Ray Carpernter** 1650 v 870 Dave Knight
Joe Carpenter** 410 v 1300 Darren Newnham
Jim Ashford** 1280 v 1820 Alec Pope (820)
Ray Carpenter (820) 2060 v 1490 Darren Newnham**
Joe Carpenter 1310 v 1640 Alec Pope**
Jim Ashford ( 660) 1870 v 1530 Dave Knight** (620)

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Week 10 result Card

Blacksmiths A 3 - 3 Blacksmiths B

Dave Knight** (570) 1700 v 2430 Peter Payne (1140)
Darren Newnham** (720) 2080 v 1790 Fred Pope
Alec Pope** 730 v 5410 Colin Southouse (1600,1770,670,760)
Dave Knight (580) 1620 v 1420 Fred Pope
Darren Newnham (630,1010,800,1030,720) 4710 v 1970 Colin Southouse**(540)
Alec Pope 1000 v 2150 Peter Payne** (570)

Great final evening of 4 pin for us, with plenty of chat and a lovely turkey roast with gravy and roast taties at the break, even Darren was impressed

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week 10 result card

Glynde 4 - 2 Seven Sisters

Dave White**(540,900) 2320 v 1640 Chris Haynes
Bob Osborne**(1040) 1910 v 1970 Mick Reilly (510)
Phil Osborne** (510) 2050 v 1480 Gareth Dell
Dave White 1590 v 1650 Mick Reilly**
Bob Osborne (520,930) 2690 v 1720 Gareth Dell**
Phil Osborne (580,500) 2290 v 1270 Chris Haynes**

Sisters may have dropped the ball here, with Glynde a game in hand

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End of league stats, well done to Phil And Mick only losing 1 game all season, and well done to the only person to beat them this summer!!!!

								s/son
PLAYER	TEAM	av	pld	won	lost	brk	total	high	PB	500's	750's	1ks	1.5ks	2ks	2.5k	tot
Phil Osborne	Glynde	3240	16	15	1	8	51840	7150	7150	8	4	5	5	2	1	25
Mick Rielly	Seven Sisters	2263	16	15	1	8	36210	3470	5560	12	3	1				16
Colin southouse	Blacksmiths B	3034	16	13	3	8	48550	5420	7940	10	7	6	5			28
Peter Payne	Blacksmiths B	2204	16	10	6	8	35260	4680	4680	11	1	3	1			16
Bob Osorne	Glynde	1992	16	10	6	8	31870	4730	4970	10	3	1	2			16
Chris Haynes	Seven Sisters	1994	16	9	7	8	31910	3270	4950	15	2					17
Gareth Dell	Seven Sisters	1870	16	7	9	8	29920	3310	3350	6	1	1				8
Dave white	Glynde	1470	16	7	9	8	23520	2070	2070	2	2					4
Darren Newnham	Blacksmiths A	2539	15	6	9	7	38090	4710	4710	12	2	3				17
Ray Carpenter	Laughing Fish	1432	14	5	9	7	20050	2420	2420	6	2					8
Dave Knight	Blacksmiths A	1858	12	4	8	6	22290	2490	2750	8	1	3				12
Jim Ashford	Laughing Fish	1428	12	4	8	6	17130	2500	2500	3	1					4
Alec Pope	Blacksmiths A	1740	9	3	6	4	15660	1820	2180	2						2
Fred Pope	Blacksmiths B	1473	16	3	13	8	23560	2750	3220	3						3
Joseph Carpenter	Laughing Fish	1184	12	2	10	6	14210	1770	1770							0
Henry Brooks	Laughing Fish	3180	1	1	0	0	3180	3180	3180	2						2
Jamie Hall	Laughing Fish	1815	2	1	1	1	3630	1150	1150	1						1
Bob Hall	Blacksmiths A	1308	6	1	5	3	7850	3010	3010	1						1
Andy Brooks	Laughing Fish	796	7	1	6	4	5570	1240	1240							0

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Well Done to The Glynde Club on winning the Eastbourne 4 Pin Summer League this year, Final league table below, commiserations to the Seven Sisters who made a valiant effort but were pipped at the post

		Played		Home			away		total
			won	lost	drawn	won	lost	drawn
Glynde		8	18	6	0	14	10	0	32
Seven Sisters		8	17	7	0	14	10	0	31
Blacksmiths B		8	12	12	0	14	10	0	26
Blacksmiths A		8	10	14	0	7	17	0	17
Laughing Fish		8	9	15	0	5	19	0	14

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Outstanding result card

Glynde 5 V 1 Laughing Fish

Bob Osborne (530) 0 v 1420 Ray Carpenter
Phil Osborne 2500 v 1420 Joe Carpenter
Dave White 1190 v 930 Jim Ashford
Bob Osborne (520) 1870 v 400 Joe Carpenter
Phil Osborne 1870 v 1410 Jim Ashford
Dave White (900) 1960 v 230 Ray Carpenter

[chrishaynes (R.I.P.)]

Well done to Phil,bob and dancing Dave, maybe next year!