New Official AEBBA Rules

[Chris_Sav]

The rules were debated and adopted at an EGM at Bournemouth.

They are now in force are are to be found on the AEBBA Site.

My mandate is now finished and anything you do not agree with will need a proposal for the next AEBBA AGM.

The only significant changes to the final version 4.00 set were

Playing rule 27(O) regarding a deliberate foul shot by rolling the cue ball along the baulk line was reinstated

Playing rule 36 regarding deliberate time wasting was dropped for further consideration pending a proposal at the next AGM.

Thanks to all those who took part in the discussions.

Sav

Phew what a relief. Commonsense prevailed, it has been an embarrassment to be without an official set of Rules for so long.

Well done to Sav, not only for his detailed work, but also for sheer persistence when others may have been tempted to give up.

[Sparky]

Well said Tommo....my thanks to Sav for all his hard work and persistance.

[milko]

Well done Chris on getting the AEBBA Rules done, a great job finished.

Now let's see how many turn up at the AGM later in the year with proposals for changes to the rules.

Excellent work.

Keith.

Mar 9, 2008 22:23:07 GMT Chris_Sav said:

The only significant changes to the final version 4.00 set were

Playing rule 27(O) regarding a deliberate foul shot by rolling the cue ball along the baulk line was reinstated

With certain League Finals Nights coming up, and indeed the circuit of Opens, it may be a good idea for those in the habit of taking on scoring duties to brush up on what (if any) changes to the AEBBA playing rules were introduced on 8th March this year.

Would you be able to quote these if asked by somebody ?

Foul shots incurring loss of break score penalty.
27 O) If the cue ball fails to reach an imaginary line through the black peg and parallel with the top cushion and does not strike another ball, it will be returned to the tray and the player loses his break. (this does not apply to the last ball of the game)

Sav has quoted this above as a reinstatement, but the way it has been worded, the foul doesn't have to be deliberate for the ball to be given back, it comes back even if it was an accidentally 'feathered ' shot which has gone forward off the D by a couple of inches.



Also, the following rule has apparently always been there, but I have seen this happen very recently (in the last 3 weeks) and the rule was not applied correctly by the scorer:

Foul shots incurring loss of break score penalty.
27 E). Any ball mounting the cushion or leaving the table, even if it falls back on the playing surface. The ball should be returned to the rack. It is not a foul shot if a ball bounces upwards and returns to playing surface without touching anything apart from another ball.

I will admit that I was not aware of this wording at the time, and was therefore unable to put forward a view (not that it had a bearing on the outcome of the game at all) but this one will be sticking in the memory from now on !

[fazza]

May 17, 2008 19:46:27 GMT tommo III said:

Foul shots incurring loss of break score penalty.
27 O) If the cue ball fails to reach an imaginary line through the black peg and parallel with the top cushion and does not strike another ball, it will be returned to the tray and the player loses his break. (this does not apply to the last ball of the game)

Can anyone tell me where this has been "reinstated" from? I have only ever heard of anything like this in the Oxford league rules, and it now appears that it applies to AE.

As from when? How did it happen?

[Chris_Sav]

It was submitted to forum debate by Milko and on the list of suggested rules forwarded to AEBBA. AEBBA dropped it, but it was formally proposed in advance of, debated, and passed at the Bournemouth EGM, that was open to everyone.

It was recognised at the EGM that a couple of rules may need refining at the next AGM.

Sav.

[Pete S]

I would like some comments on a match that took place recently.

It was a 5 leg singles game.

After 4 legs 2 each, so last game equal breaks in accordance with AEBBA rules.

Table time established at 18min 15 seconds

1st player starts with 6300 in 10mins 5 sec

A further coin is inserted

2nd player misses at 4800 in 5 mins 10secs.

According to AEBBA rules game over 1st player wins.

I do not think this can be correct but read the rules and it is quite clear.

Would be pleased to have other forum users views.

[Q]

Why was the second coin inserted?
Surely that should only happen if the bar drops whilst the 2nd player is on his 1st break.

[Pete S]

Not according to the AEBBA rules which are the rules we follow for equal time games.

[milko]

The rule seems right to me, the 2nd player broke down before reaching the 1st players score, as in rule 14(c), so the 1st player wins.

14). EQUAL TIME RULE.

The table time should be established and agreed before the start of the final game.

Should the first player consume in excess of half the agreed time with their opening break, the second player shall be permitted equal time for their opening break in the attempt to pass the first players opening break. Further coins should be inserted before the second player commences their break.

Once extra coins have been inserted, the game will be over when;

a) the second player passes the first players opening score.

b) the second player has consumed the agreed equal time.

c) the second player breaks down on their opening break.

[Chris_Sav]

Quite correct.

One break ONLY each, if first player takes up more than half the time. Game is over as soon as the second player misses or passes the first players score.

Idiosyncrasies of the the rule are

1) First player runs the table out, second player takes his chances on how long the clock runs, tough if shorter / lucky if longer

2) First player loses his score having taken more than half the time. Second player plays ONE scoring shot and the game is over (no safety shot necessary).

3) Pete's case, second player finishes ten short, but in much less time - he's had his one equal opportunity - game over.

The rule would be better titled "Equal Opportiunity" rather than "Equal Time"

Sav

[BB Warrior]

At first, I couldn't really see why the question had been raised..... it seemed fairly obvious that 1st Player was the winner...... until I realised that there would have been 3 minutes of playing time left on the table in a normal game. ???

Therefore, had 1st Player taken one minute less with his break (ie just under half of the normal time) and 2nd Player had broken down while chasing, the game would have continued until the end - in this case, with 3 minutes left and only 1,500 points behind, giving 2nd Player a chance still to win. ::)

Rather than pulling the bar again straight away, would it therefore not be better for the timing to be started from when the 2nd Player takes their break BUT additional coins to be inserted (and Equal Time Rule applied) ONLY if they run the table out...... with the game to end when the bar drops (as usual) if they fail to play the table out?

I would imagine in most cases that this would not affect the result of a match.... as 1st Player would probably have enough of a lead to make it impossible for 2nd Player to catch them up if they failed to play the table out.... however in circumstances like this it might do. :o ???

[milko]

Jul 7, 2009 7:22:59 GMT Chris_Sav said:

Quite correct.

One break ONLY each, if first player takes up more than half the time. Game is over as soon as the second player misses or passes the first players score.

Idiosyncrasies of the the rule are

1) First player runs the table out, second player takes his chances on how long the clock runs, tough if shorter / lucky if longer

2) First player loses his score having taken more than half the time. Second player plays ONE scoring shot and the game is over (no safety shot necessary).

3) Pete's case, second player finishes ten short, but in much less time - he's had his one equal opportunity - game over.

The rule would be better titled "Equal Opportiunity" rather than "Equal Time"

Sav

I still can't see what's wrong with the rule......

If I was scoring the final game I would be timing it, so if the clock went 18min's 15 sec's for the 1st player then that is what the 2nd player would get, even if it meant pulling the bar again if the 2nd game went shorter than the 1st.
I would also stop the clock by pulling the bar once the time had elapsed.

[NigelS]

In my opinion I do think the rule needs tweaking in that the whole of the leg should be played to a finish minimum, Therefore if there are still 3 minutes left they should be played out. This would solve the problems of Sav's points 2 and 3 I would think.

[Pete S]

Thanks for your input. Sav disagree with point 1 Equal Time

[Chris_Sav]

Jul 9, 2009 5:56:06 GMT Pete S said:

Thanks for your input. Sav disagree with point 1 Equal Time

Hi Pete, What do you disagree with?

Re Keith's comments on a run-out, there's nothing in the current rule that covers differing lengths of time that the bar drops on a run-out. Agree with what you suggest but the rule does not cover tripping the bar if second game runs longer, or the mucking about with odd balls after the bar has dropped.

It should, however, be only one break each.

Sav.

[milko]

Jul 9, 2009 6:10:16 GMT Chris_Sav said:

Jul 9, 2009 5:56:06 GMT Pete S said:

Thanks for your input. Sav disagree with point 1 Equal Time

Hi Pete, What do you disagree with?

Re Keith's comments on a run-out, there's nothing in the current rule that covers differing lengths of time that the bar drops on a run-out. Agree with what you suggest but the rule does not cover tripping the bar if second game runs longer, or the mucking about with odd balls after the bar has dropped.

It should, however, be only one break each.

Sav.

Sorry Chris, but I don't understand you on this one, as the rule clearly states "Should the first player consume in excess of half the agreed time with their opening break, the second player shall be permitted equal time for their opening break in the attempt to pass the first players opening break". (until Rule 14(a), (b) or (c) happens)

Are you saying then that if player 1 misses the last ball shot you would count how long he has taken with his break (to the bar) but if he plays the table out you wouldn't? This can't be right as you are timing the breaks.

Keith.