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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 13, 2007 12:17:04 GMT
Suggested RulesRules version 1.00 are there. Well we have to start somewhere. Please start new threads on each rule number you wish to comment on. I will delete completed old threads as we go to keep it tidy. Remember the threads are to give me an idea of what I've missed and what is worth submitting to an EGM for debate on changing. Its not my decision, its your county's at an EGM. Over to you guys
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 14, 2007 8:20:41 GMT
1.01
Rule 14
From the break position the red ball should MUST always be used on the red spot
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 14, 2007 13:43:36 GMT
1.02 added rule 41
41) IF A DELAY OCCURS DURING A GAME, THE DELAY SHOULD BE TIMED AND THAT TIME ADDED ON WHEN THE BAR DROPS BY PULLING THE BAR AGAIN. AFTER THE DELAY TIME, THE BALLS WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE TRAP AS THEY RETURN AS IF THE BAR HAS DROPPED.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 15, 2007 17:10:33 GMT
1.03 Added deliberate miss rule where player rolls a ball up the baulk line
27(O) if the cueball fails to reach an imaginary line through the black peg and parallel with the top cushion and does not strike another ball, it will be taken out of play and the player loses his break. (this does not apply to the last ball of the game).
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 20, 2007 13:08:02 GMT
1.04 added the rule for a ball obstructing the 'D' but not out of play.
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Post by Colemanator on Feb 21, 2007 18:29:12 GMT
). Table time at County and Individual Group Play-offs and Finals will be a minimum 15 minutes and a maximum 19 minutes. BIG ADMIN PROBLEM IF IT HAPPENS, MUST RUN A MINIMUM OF 15 MINS, IF THE TABLE RUNS FOR LESS THAN 15 MINS THE BAR WILL BE PULLED AGAIN AND PLAY WILL CONTINUE UNTIL 17 MINUTES AT WHICH POINT ANY BALLS GOING INTO HOLES WILL BE RETAINED AS IF THE BAR HAD DROPPED. IF THE BAR HAS NOT DROPPED BY 19 MINUTES ANY BALLS RETURNING TO THE TRAP WILL BE RETAINED BY THE SCORER AS IF THE BAR HAS DROPPED.
It's a maximum of 20mins in this county, I think 19 is a bit on the edge as far as a complaint would go, a lot of tables can go 18 and a half, 19 aint that much different, but 20 is IMO.
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Post by milko on Feb 21, 2007 18:51:49 GMT
I agree with you, 20 min's should be the maximum time before you should stop the game, our league is 20 min's max as well. The only trouble with that is, the Inter Area maximum time is also 19 min's. So the home tables that are used for this competition should be no more than that.
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Post by Colemanator on Feb 21, 2007 19:05:10 GMT
Ok, so it all needs bringing into line then :D
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Post by Kevin Pringle (R.I.P.) on Feb 21, 2007 19:06:05 GMT
I believe Keith, correct me if I am wrong the rule in Inter Area is it can run longer but the opponents must be notified before the game if it does.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Feb 23, 2007 13:32:07 GMT
Can we please start new threads on any rule changes. I have incorporated the 20 mins max in this change.
Version 2.00 uploaded with all the rule changes since the 1993 AGM.
Clearly the rules are even more out of date than I suspected as the Grand Prix points system is not mentioned for the opens which precede the ladies, which are mentioned in the min nineties. I have guessed at the points for the opens and will wait to hear from Nigel / Fazza as to what they should be.
I will work through the discussion threads this evening.
Sav
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 4, 2007 21:19:25 GMT
Draft 3.00 with all discussions up to 04/03/07 added.
All change threads closed for pre Bournmouth discussion.
If there's anything I've missed or you feel strongly about then comment quickly as I wish to print on Thursday morning.
Sav
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 8, 2007 18:56:49 GMT
Draft rules are now printed, so nothing can be changed prior to first this submission to AEBBAsec . Discussion will be reopend after Bournemouth
Sav.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 17, 2007 19:22:37 GMT
The rules as at version 3.00 were submitted to AEBBAsec at Bournemouth, He is contacting county secs to make them aware of the rules and contemplate an EGM which needs five counties to call it legally.
I will leave 3.00 frozen and put up a new set should any further discussion take place.
Thanks to everyone for the input.
Sav
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jun 20, 2007 18:18:52 GMT
Following a couple of queries,
I have, as of today, asked Dave for an update on progress.
Sav
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 16, 2007 18:39:22 GMT
Dave Alder had a chat with me yesterday at the Kent Classic. He struggles with time to monitor this forum and so has asked me to post in his stead. He wants an EGM called to ratify the rules prior to Reading in September. We must not have the mess of two teams fielding illegal players this year, because no one knows the rules which have not been published for so many years. To keep it legal, he cannot call the EGM, this must come from a request from five county secretaries. Berkshire, Oxfordshire, Sussex and Kent have made or will make requests. If you know who is county secretary in any other county and you agree with what is being aimed at, we need at least one more request. Please advise here if your county secretary has enailed Dave Alder with a request. secretary@aebba.orgSav.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2007 20:25:47 GMT
Surrey could be your fifth one if only I could establish who is our County Secretary. Am trying to make contact with Colin Robbins - it's either he or the Redhill Chairman Terry Oakley. Will keep trying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2007 11:15:14 GMT
Has anything come of this Sav ? Did the Surrey designate get in touch ?
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 23, 2007 12:21:24 GMT
I will ask Dave this evening.
My ISP is badly affected by the floods and their email server has been down for a day.
I will do what I can.
Sav.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 29, 2007 20:01:47 GMT
Dave Alder, the AEBBA Secretary has had EGM requests to ratify the rules from Kent, Sussex, Oxford and Berkshire.
The fifth and final necessary county request has not been forthcoming thus far.
Sav.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2007 9:02:38 GMT
Hows about.............
Ask the Bucks Secretary to be the fifth one needed.
Then hold the EGM at a convenient time during the Bucks Open (at a break between rounds).
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 30, 2007 20:11:10 GMT
Nice idea Clive, but one suspects sleeping bags may be necessary for the meeting.
Sav.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2007 20:48:18 GMT
Not quite sure what you're aiming at with that comment Sav ..... a) the general apathy surrounding all the unheralded hard work you've put in on the Rules will mean any meeting will be sleep-inducing, ::) OR b) the meeting will be so dynamic, volatile and contoversial that an overnight stay will be needed, with sleeping bags and regular supplies of sandwiches and coffee being sent in to the enclave. And then we all wait with bated breath to see what colour smoke emanates from the roof of the Princes Risborough Golf Club. ;D ;D ;D
Seriously, we planned a similar thing at one of the Opens last year, and then everyone forgot that a discussion was set to take place before it was too late and everyone was back home.
The idea is basically a sound one, but needs the minimum of planning but the maximum of enthusiasm and commitment.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 31, 2007 12:46:33 GMT
The latter Clive.
I will be very very surprised if any EGM just rubber stamped the proposed rule changes, despite the discussion they have had on here.
Sav.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2007 13:50:27 GMT
A couple of points here Sav.
1. A set of rules is better than no rules at all.
2. The most important thing at the moment seems to me to be that you are in a position to have set guidelines in place for qualifications for the county events this Autumn - particularly the National Team event, where people have apparently played without entitlement in the past.
So let's get the existing rules - as you have researched and prepared them - ratified. And the new rules added in red - which will need more discussion - can be argued to death at the AGM in December.
To try and do it all in one hit is IMHO too ambitious.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 11, 2007 12:53:55 GMT
Eric Hill (AEBBA President) phoned me today.
The AEBBA exec will discuss the draft rules tomorrow at the Bucks Open.
It is looking increasingly unlikely that an EGM will be called prior to this year's round of AEBBA tournaments, as the fifth county request has not materialised.
They hope to ratify the rules with regard to the previous AGM changes that do not need voting on. They will come back to me with proposals on constitutional areas, such as the non existant AEBBA committee, to be incorporated for debate at the AGM.
Chris.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 22, 2007 7:49:28 GMT
Time to put the old bike in the back and the old git in the front and head for Manxland.
The twenty year out of date and largely forgotten rules were updated and reinvented in 12 weeks from last year's AEBBA AGM.
24 weeks have elapsed since and we stand on the verge of this year's round of national championships. Five county secretaries could not be found to call an EGM to ratify them prior to this (thanks Kent, Sussex Berk & Oxford), despite AEBBASec's correspondence and calls on this forum.
I have heard nothing since Bucks and it's now realistically too late to call an EGM this year. We lose our Tournament Director in December, partly over what's happened due to the lack of a rule book.
Disappointing situation to say the least. Plenty of bleats over last year's problems, when two teams in our games national finals were illegal, but no initiative to resolve them when the solution is on the table.
Sav,
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Post by milhouse on Aug 22, 2007 9:17:59 GMT
Just one point about the calling of an EGM. If one is actually called, then the rules draft will have to be sent to all county secretaries so they can discuss with all members of their county as just discussing them on here is not good enough as a lot of players do not come onto this site. I would presume that the people who do not come to this site would want to add their input to any rule changes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 9:26:16 GMT
Sav, I can appreciate your sense of frustration over what must seem like complete apathy in response to all the hard work you have put in on the AEBBA Rules.
However, I'm sure I'm not alone in having gained the impression that at the last AGM you were given a mandate to proceed and we have been eagerly awaiting the publication of a little booklet that could be used at Reading for the AEBBA championships and indeed for our winter leagues coming up.
I appreciate that there is still a certain protocol to follow as per the constitution of the association as laid down, but you'll have enough counties present at Reading next month to ratify the 'exisiting' rules (as known) if you hold a snap meeting (EGM) as a curtain raiser to the events. There is no reason whatsoever for anyone to oppose any of the content - it's all been passed at previous AGMs.
The recommended new rules part of the exercise provides a different sort of challenge - these should be discussed fully at some other time - December at the AGM would seem most appropriate. Book your overnight stay now !
I would add that the Sussex County Bar Billiards Association held our AGM last night, and Playing Rules were mentioned. It was stated that "the AEBBA were in the process of re-publishing their Rules" but that they "would not be made available until next year". In the meantime we will run with our existing SCBBA set of playing rules. So you see - appreciating the timescale involved in such a project - we are not panicking ! Not just yet, at any rate.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 22, 2007 9:56:05 GMT
I am surprised that an AEBBA executive officer is not aware that umpteen copies of the provisional rules were given to AEBBASec at Bournemouth, where they were freely available.
Or that provisional rules were circulated to all counties at Bournemouth or soon after by AEBBASec (as far as I am aware) with a request for comment by June (I believe) and call for an EGM.
The replies - NONE, what more could have been done?
AEBBASec phoned me a few weeks ago to ask if I would restart posting on here to bring it back to peoples attention, that I have done, and am continuing to do here at the request of AEBBA
That resulted in four county requests for an EGM, the fifth and last necessary one, has not materialised.
A legal EGM cannot be called without the fith request (unlike the last illegal EGM). There is too much to discuss on the rules and it will detract from other important business at the AGM.
Tommo, I don't have the authority to produce an interim rulebook including only those changes passed at AGM's since 1993 (that's as far as I went back, then only thanks to PF). That authority must come from AEBBA from the draft supplied to them
Sav
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 10:07:29 GMT
Well, Sav,
It sounds like the EGM should be arranged as a matter of priority, despite your earlier comment that there may now be insufficient time.
And a few heads should be knocked together to gain the requisite 5th representative.
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