Div 2 one day

[JB]

Division 2 - 17th February 2019 -11.30 for 12.00 @ Burgess Hill Club

Billingshurst
Hastings
Horsham
Lewes
Littlehampton
Mid Sussex

Can Hastings confirm they have a team

There will be a raffle so any donations gratefully received

Could captains please let me have their team names which will help me on the day
Either on here, pm, text ir email

Thanks

[gandalf the untidy]

pretty sure Hastings have a team for next week, i have texted Jamie to send the names in asap

[gandalf the untidy]

Hastings

Mike Daw
Chris Haynes
Peter Payne
Fred Pope
Jamie Minihane (C)
Clive Minihane
Mick Osborne

reserve Alex Reardon

[frogcatcher]

LEWES TEAM

Ric Bithell
Jan Bithell
Chase Newman
Huw Lincoln
Colin Southouse
Richard Todd
Dave Knight

[bigben]

Horsham Team

Ben Procter
Brian Marten
Jim Grinstead
Gareth Lloyd
Stuart Carruthers
Steve Hopkins
Iain Tarrant

[bigtj]

Good luck to all taking part today.

[StuC]

Congratulations to Horsham on winning today. Horsham finished on 22 points to pip Littlehampton by one point. The runner-ups can consider themselves unlucky having lead for the entire day and won all matches, but a late charge from Horsham with a 6-1 win in their final series saw them home.
Billingshurst finished third.


Gareth Lloyd, Roger Taylor and Stuart Carruthers topped the individual performances by winning all five legs played.

Thanks have to go to the club for the wonderful service as always and of course to Jean for superbly running the admin desk (dealing with queries quickly) and for sorting out the tables at the end of the day.

Thanks also to all six teams in making it a brilliant day played in a good spirit.

Full results now on Sussex website
scbba.co.uk/inter-league/one-day-inter-league/one-day-2019/one-day-division-two-2019/

[oaklj007]

Feb 17, 2019 20:07:00 GMT StuC said:

Congratulations to Horsham on winning today. Horsham finished on 22 points to pip Littlehampton by one point. The runner-ups can consider themselves unlucky having lead for the entire day and won all matches, but a late charge from Horsham with a 6-1 win in their final series saw them home.
Billingshurst finished third.


Gareth Lloyd, Roger Taylor and Stuart Carruthers topped the individual performances by winning all five legs played.

Thanks have to go to the club for the wonderful service as always and of course to Jean for superbly running the admin desk (dealing with queries quickly) and for sorting out the tables at the end of the day.

Thanks also to all six teams in making it a brilliant day played in a good spirit.

Full results now on Sussex website
scbba.co.uk/inter-league/one-day-inter-league/one-day-2019/one-day-division-two-2019/

Horsham 23 points Littlehampton 22 points thought I would correct well done Horsham but shame for Littlehampton who went undefeated and still ended up losing....... maybe a point for a win in the series next year?

[bigtj]

Congratulations to Horsham, always an anomaly that a team can go unbeaten on the day but lose, but will always happen with a point per leg, so a great effort for Littlehampton to remain unbeaten, well done to the 3 undefeated players.

[gandalf the untidy]

Great day, plenty of banter, little bit cramped but ok for me, some tables were a minor challenge but same for both many thanks to jean for officiating with help from Stu

still think this comp is the best event in the callender, even though my team and i were some what under par yesterday ending up pretty close to div 3!

A good effort from Hastings though with Mike and Chris winning 4 out of 5 to give them plenty of "bragging rites"

Will have to take so ear plugs with me on wednesday

[bigjimsilverfox]

Full results now on Sussex website
scbba.co.uk/inter-league/one-day-inter-league/one-day-2019/one-day-division-two-2019/[/quote] Horsham 23 points Littlehampton 22 points thought I would correct well done Horsham but shame for Littlehampton who went undefeated and still ended up losing....... maybe a point for a win in the series next year? [/quote]


Apply for rule change at the Sussex AGM my friend is the only way to change it. Not sure if anyone has proposed this before but it makes for an interesting contest either way

The same observations were made in 2014 with Redhill undefeated but losing out to Brighton who won on frames:

barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/16130/day-inter-league-2014

[NigelS]

Feb 19, 2019 11:07:52 GMT tommo III said:

The same observations were made in 2014 with Redhill undefeated but losing out to Brighton who won on frames:

barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/16130/day-inter-league-2014

Thanks for sharing that thread Tommo, I saw a very good point made to counter that argument .

Problem is for me each 'match' is best of 5 or best of 7 when the single leg format is used. So a team has an extra break in each match. If a teams loses one (or two) match(es) 4-3 due to 4 opening breaks of 10k and then win the other matches heavily, I think they would be unlucky to lose out due not having won enough matches if they have won more legs than all the other teams.

So not sure an injustice has been done here, more that Littlehampton are just a little bit unlucky to be only one leg short in the final reckoning.

My pleasure, and I deliberately didn't pass an opinion one way or the other.

There are points to argue for both systems, yours being well-versed, but Dipper would argue that 3-2, 3-2, 3-2 should take precedence over 2-3, 2-3, 5-0 especially if the 0-5 losers were battered and dispirited at the end of a long day.

The fairest solution of course is to make both match wins and frame points count - by using the frame points but awarding a match win bonus point.

The system used this year for the B/C competition (point for frame and bonus point for aggregate) delivers the same effect.

[NigelS]

Feb 19, 2019 15:22:36 GMT tommo III said:

My pleasure, and I deliberately didn't pass an opinion one way or the other.

There are points to argue for both systems, yours being well-versed, but Dipper would argue that 3-2, 3-2, 3-2 should take precedence over 2-3, 2-3, 5-0 especially if the 0-5 losers were battered and dispirited at the end of a long day.

The fairest solution of course is to make both match wins and frame points count - by using the frame points but awarding a match win bonus point.

The system used this year for the B/C competition (point for frame and bonus point for aggregate) delivers the same effect.

I think we all have an opinion on which system is fairer, it is just that when in these competitions a team wins all their matches and dont win overall they often cry 'foul' and that the existing rule cannot be right.

The current system basically uses match wins as the tie breaker, which is enough for me, therefore I dont see the point of awarding a point for each match won.

Also the system used for the B/C team (2 legs) doesnt award matches won per team, so you could win all your matches say 11-10 on the day but still not end up the winners, but again of course for a team to overcome them they would have to win one more point.

So i think the current system is actually the fairest system

[curtd]

Clive

I love the way you make a point about not having an opinion either way ........ then go straight ahead and give your opinion


You just can’t help yourself can you ?

You do make me laugh

Curt

I find I have to defend myself again - as usual !

One system = Frames total

Rival system = 2 points for match win.

I had - and still have - no preference for either....

Thought (how silly of me !) that I would then suggest a compromise solution, fair to both viewpoints.

It's all black and white with you people, isn't it: no grey area !     LOL

[Dave Hampton]

No complaints from Littlehampton.
We knew the rules before we started.
Well played Horsham.

[dipper]

Best team won on the day, we blew our chance by only winning 4-3/4-3 in the last two matches, when Horsham powered on for victory.
I agree with Dave.