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Post by curtd on Dec 1, 2019 20:33:13 GMT
I am pleased to announce the following players have been selected to play for England in 2020
Curt Driver Capt
Nigel Senior
Mark Trafford
Matt Jones
Gerry Fitzjohn
Mark Brewster
Phil Osborne
Martin Cole
Ian Lelliott
Martin Smith
Matt Knight
Reserves
Jim Millward
Joe Oakley
Lorin Clough
Stuart Mepham
Geoff Jukes
Bob Hall
Congratulations to all the players picked.
Curt
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Post by stevehale on Dec 2, 2019 18:27:28 GMT
I am pleased to announce the following players have been selected to play for England in 2020 Curt Driver Capt Nigel Senior Mark Trafford Matt Jones Gerry Fitzjohn Mark Brewster Phil Osborne Martin Cole Ian Lelliott Martin Smith Matt Knight Reserves Jim Millward Joe Oakley Lorin Clough Stuart Mepham Geoff Jukes Bob Hall Congratulations to all the players picked. Curt I understand you are looking for county sides to rise to the challenge. Might I suggest a duel challenge from Suffolk to run concurrently on the same day with one table playing 3 pin and one playing 4 pin, both matches to be played on narrow tops? Be interested to hear your thoughts? |
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Post by curtd on Dec 3, 2019 11:20:46 GMT
Hi Steve
I like the idea. I’ve messaged the team to see if I can get enough interest . I’ll PM you then to sort out a date etc
Curt
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Post by specflue on Dec 3, 2019 23:21:03 GMT
I am pleased to announce the following players have been selected to play for England in 2020 Curt Driver Capt Nigel Senior Mark Trafford Matt Jones Gerry Fitzjohn Mark Brewster Phil Osborne Martin Cole Ian Lelliott Martin Smith Matt Knight Reserves Jim Millward Joe Oakley Lorin Clough Stuart Mepham Geoff Jukes Bob Hall Congratulations to all the players picked. Curt I understand you are looking for county sides to rise to the challenge. Might I suggest a duel challenge from Suffolk to run concurrently on the same day with one table playing 3 pin and one playing 4 pin, both matches to be played on narrow tops? Be interested to hear your thoughts? I’d be happy to loan a narrow table for you to practise on if you need to. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 10, 2019 14:31:28 GMT
I am pleased to announce the following players have been selected to play for England in 2020 Curt Driver Capt Nigel Senior Mark Trafford Matt Jones Gerry Fitzjohn Mark Brewster Phil Osborne Martin Cole Ian Lelliott Martin Smith Matt Knight Reserves Jim Millward Joe Oakley Lorin Clough Stuart Mepham Geoff Jukes Bob Hall Congratulations to all the players picked. Curt Firstly, many congratulations to those selected for the team, from my own experiences I know how honoured I always felt when I put on the England shirt to represent my country.  Having said that, I think it is sad that people are talking about arranging matches against County Teams to enable the England team to have matches as the traditional games against Jersey now seem to be a thing of the past. I certainly remember how hard it was to beat the Jersey team in the first couple of away games that I played in and I know that, in years before that, Jersey often beat the England team. It is great that Guernsey continue to provide teams both home and away, even if this year they did need a "guest player" to make up the numbers to ensure the match went ahead.  I know that it has been talked about in the past, but maybe the idea of a "Combined Islands Team" (featuring players from Jersey, Guernsey - and Tenerife!  ) should be raised again. I am sure that by selecting players from all of those areas it would provide a much tougher challenge for the England team and home and away fixtures could be played alternative years alongside other existing competitions with minimal disruption to schedules and provide players an "extra competition" at those events. Something to think about perhaps for the officials in all 3 organisations? On a final note, I must confess to being rather disappointed to be overlooked for selection.... I played in 3 competitions this year (Guernsey Open - winner, Sussex Open - Last 16, World Championships - Last 16) and qualified in 8th place for the Grand Prix, unfortunately I was unable to attend that due to work commitments. In the past, results like that would have guaranteed selection. Maybe it was because I played as a "guest" for Guernsey (but better I did that than the match be cancelled) and won my singles 3-0 in that match against someone selected for the main team again this year or perhaps there was another reason.... who knows.... sadly, it looks as if I have worn my England shirt for the last time.  |
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Post by Chris on Dec 10, 2019 20:38:24 GMT
What a great post Dave.
It would be good if someone took this up.
It would certainly give the England team a great match if all combined.
A personal opinion.
Chris
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Post by dipper on Dec 11, 2019 17:27:06 GMT
This is a great idea but it has been suggested before and it went very quiet over in the Channel Islands when it was mentioned.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Dec 11, 2019 21:29:53 GMT
Speaking as an adopted Guernsey man myself (resident since 1963) I agree 'in principal' with the occasional 'guest' players being used to try and keep this fixture alive.
However Guernsey born folk are Donkeys by name and stubborn by nature.
Asking a Guernsey player in any sport to play alongside a Jersey player is akin to asking a Man U player to play in the same team as a Man City player.
With a league comprising of just 5 teams of 5 players it is a wonder that the England v Guernsey ever got off the ground in the first place, but we first gave it a go at The Stadium Brighton many moons ago.
Since then, there have been some notable performances by Guernsey players when facing the top players from combined leagues in England.
Jersey also have put up a good fight against England's finest, although that is possibly unlikely to happen again with just three teams and one venue.
A few years ago when these fixtures were up for discussion, I suggested that there should be two England teams, A and B and the two Channel Island teams, each of seven players playing in a knockout tournament with two semi finals and final. I am sure Jersey could manage seven players to compete on home ground. My suggestion then was that the fixtures could be played on the Thursday evening before the World Championships. That would cause a few problems and extra expense for those selected, but the tables would be in place and Jersey would be there to turn up.
Most of the best Guernsey players go over on a regular basis and many of us do not travel to UK opens for various reasons.
Whatever is suggested and agreed there will be complications and objections. But this is the only way I can see the full schedule of Internationals continuing.
* This is my personal opinion and not commenting as a member of the G.B.B.A committee.
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Post by dipper on Dec 12, 2019 17:46:22 GMT
I`m sure Guernsey and Jersey could bury the hatchet for the sake of the international and for the future of bar billiards in the Channel Islands, otherwise the end is nigh.
My mother was born in Guernsey, does that make me eligible to play for you ??? Ha Ha.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Dec 12, 2019 19:57:57 GMT
I`m sure Guernsey and Jersey could bury the hatchet for the sake of the international and for the future of bar billiards in the Channel Islands, otherwise the end is nigh. My mother was born in Guernsey, does that make me eligible to play for you ??? Ha Ha. The problem is - Guernsey can field a full team when the fixture is played in Guernsey. They are not going to drop their own players to replace them with Jersey born players. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2019 21:37:40 GMT
I don't think anyone is advocating the discontinuance of England v Guernsey, Stormin'. England v Channel Isles would be in addition to yours and a replacement for Jersey v England as Jersey are effectively now left with only half a team.
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Dec 13, 2019 20:40:41 GMT
I don't think anyone is advocating the discontinuance of England v Guernsey, Stormin'. England v Channel Isles would be in addition to yours and a replacement for Jersey v England as Jersey are effectively now left with only half a team. Jersey managed to find fourteen players for this year's 'World's, surely enough to field a team of eleven to play England at home ? Or seven as I have suggested. |
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Post by stevehale on Dec 15, 2019 3:28:37 GMT
At Suffolk we have issued a challenge to the England side, but apparently because we are not affiliated we may not be granted this fixture.
At the Suffolk BBA we are still awaiting details and of minutes of this years AGM, once we have received those we’ll decide whether or not to become affiliated again or to revert back to Associate members, Not sure why we can’t just have a friendly game and leave the affiliation etc out of it.
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2019 19:18:39 GMT
Well fees are/were never ever paid by Jersey or Guernsey as they are associate members - so maybe there needs to be a discussion with the committee I am sure Lorin will look at this. If they can be associate why cannot other counties ? I am not saying they should I just think it need's a review.
I have nothing against associate membership just clarity as to why would be welcome.
Maybe a time to discuss this rule if it is a rule. Hants with only 4 teams left would only want associate membership for their iko winner.
30 IS JUST TOO MUCH FOR 1 entry in Hants to 1 game.
Chris
This is my personal opinion and not representative 're my part as a moderator on this board
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Post by Pete S on Dec 16, 2019 5:59:09 GMT
I am pleased to announce the following players have been selected to play for England in 2020 Curt Driver Capt Nigel Senior Mark Trafford Matt Jones Gerry Fitzjohn Mark Brewster Phil Osborne Martin Cole Ian Lelliott Martin Smith Matt Knight Reserves Jim Millward Joe Oakley Lorin Clough Stuart Mepham Geoff Jukes Bob Hall Congratulations to all the players picked. Curt Firstly, many congratulations to those selected for the team, from my own experiences I know how honoured I always felt when I put on the England shirt to represent my country. Having said that, I think it is sad that people are talking about arranging matches against County Teams to enable the England team to have matches as the traditional games against Jersey now seem to be a thing of the past. I certainly remember how hard it was to beat the Jersey team in the first couple of away games that I played in and I know that, in years before that, Jersey often beat the England team. It is great that Guernsey continue to provide teams both home and away, even if this year they did need a "guest player" to make up the numbers to ensure the match went ahead. I know that it has been talked about in the past, but maybe the idea of a "Combined Islands Team" (featuring players from Jersey, Guernsey - and Tenerife! ) should be raised again. I am sure that by selecting players from all of those areas it would provide a much tougher challenge for the England team and home and away fixtures could be played alternative years alongside other existing competitions with minimal disruption to schedules and provide players an "extra competition" at those events. Something to think about perhaps for the officials in all 3 organisations? On a final note, I must confess to being rather disappointed to be overlooked for selection.... I played in 3 competitions this year (Guernsey Open - winner, Sussex Open - Last 16, World Championships - Last 16) and qualified in 8th place for the Grand Prix, unfortunately I was unable to attend that due to work commitments. In the past, results like that would have guaranteed selection. Maybe it was because I played as a "guest" for Guernsey (but better I did that than the match be cancelled) and won my singles 3-0 in that match against someone selected for the main team again this year or perhaps there was another reason.... who knows.... sadly, it looks as if I have worn my England shirt for the last time. Dave
England playing a county side would be nothing new as there used to be matches comprising a county side against an England team. I first played for Kent against England in 1989
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Post by oge on Dec 16, 2019 15:57:37 GMT
I like the idea of a Ryder cup style event England v The rest of the world.
Maybe the side is selected by the world Rankings. Top 12 players Outside of England. The worlds weekend seems to be the best date, Neutral as you will get and it will save on another weekend away.
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) should be raised again. I am sure that by selecting players from all of those areas it would provide a much tougher challenge for the England team and home and away fixtures could be played alternative years alongside other existing competitions with minimal disruption to schedules and provide players an "extra competition" at those events.
