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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 5, 2020 7:54:30 GMT
Tommo I am not sticking up for GK but for once they have listened to their staff. tenants were given the option to open up if they wanted to, but were not put under any pressure to open yesterday. managed houses and restaurant type places owned by GK were asked their opinions and the overwhelming response was not to open until after the weekend. I've seen the stocks of PPE, sanitiser, shields, posters etc they have in stock and they are ready to open. I did have a few beers down the white horse in Sudbury yesterday, they are playing things strictly to rules, keeping people at least two metres apart wherever possible and this seems to be leading to other problems as people start to raise their voices to have a chat with a mate who is sitting on the same table or a different table. Under these strict conditions there is NO way you could play bar billiards while adhering to the rules
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2020 18:56:38 GMT
Dave - this (in case you missed it) was the report on my visit to a Greene King pub yesterday: It was a relief to see Margo's table safe and sound and covered up ..... no pressure will be applied to allow us to play it until Lockdown moves from Level 3 to Level 4.
The safety measures are accepted in good heart by the locals, except the 'must stay seated to drink' rule which we found a bit stringent. And poor Scottish Brian missed the break in the tape (with arrow) which would have allowed him to turn right to his table, and was obliged to carry on down the one-way, out into the beer garden, round and back to the front entrance to be allowed back in - much to everyone else's amusement !
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Post by milhouse on Jul 7, 2020 16:47:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 18:18:21 GMT
Next: Pool. Keep us posted.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 7, 2020 21:16:25 GMT
Next: Pool. Keep us posted. I would presume that this includes pool
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 22:59:11 GMT
I would presume that this includes pool Can't go on presumptions: we are rather restricted by what the Breweries decide with safety in mind. Greene King for example have banned cue sports from their pubs; Whilst with Social Clubs their committee decide what is permissable. Roffey Club for instance (where Sussex Open is held) have ruled the Snooker room out of bounds. And you can watch the football on the large screen but with the sound off - in case anyone gets too excited !!
All we can do really at the moment is monitor the situation as it changes, with the ultimate prize being a return to normality a.s.a.p.
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Post by little legs on Jul 8, 2020 10:53:46 GMT
3 of us went to the Stag ( Jim Millward pub) , the billiard bar was quiet so were ok to play on the table . We washed hands and sanitized after each game . Jim has made it a safe environment to play in , so anyone who feels safe to go out I'm sure Jim would welcome you all . Jim is looking to run a small tournament, all games played at the Stag , will let him post more details later .
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Post by milhouse on Jul 8, 2020 21:32:30 GMT
I would presume that this includes pool Can't go on presumptions: we are rather restricted by what the Breweries decide with safety in mind. Greene King for example have banned cue sports from their pubs; Whilst with Social Clubs their committee decide what is permissable. Roffey Club for instance (where Sussex Open is held) have ruled the Snooker room out of bounds. And you can watch the football on the large screen but with the sound off - in case anyone gets too excited !!
All we can do really at the moment is monitor the situation as it changes, with the ultimate prize being a return to normality a.s.a.p.
I had confirmation today that my Bar Billiards venue, a snooker club, is reopening next week. This will include the ability to play all cue sports available in the club. Obviously there are measures in place, like only 50% of the tables can be in use. The good news is that obviously i can get back playing! The downside, is that they have moved the table, so hope there are not any issues with that!
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Post by Q on Jul 10, 2020 11:25:45 GMT
Can't go on presumptions: we are rather restricted by what the Breweries decide with safety in mind. Greene King for example have banned cue sports from their pubs; Whilst with Social Clubs their committee decide what is permissable. Roffey Club for instance (where Sussex Open is held) have ruled the Snooker room out of bounds. And you can watch the football on the large screen but with the sound off - in case anyone gets too excited !!
All we can do really at the moment is monitor the situation as it changes, with the ultimate prize being a return to normality a.s.a.p.
I had confirmation today that my Bar Billiards venue, a snooker club, is reopening next week. This will include the ability to play all cue sports available in the club. Obviously there are measures in place, like only 50% of the tables can be in use.
The good news is that obviously i can get back playing! The downside, is that they have moved the table, so hope there are not any issues with that! I hope you have more than one bar billiards table then, you'd be buggered if you could only play half of the table
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 10, 2020 15:13:45 GMT
Well here's the official answer, straight from the horse's mouth. N10 2020_21684.pdf (37.26 KB) N10 2020_21684.docx (71.63 KB) Snooker clubs may be opening but can you play snooker under social distancing, even on half the tables??
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Post by milhouse on Jul 10, 2020 15:26:26 GMT
Well here's the official answer, straight from the horse's mouth. Snooker clubs may opening but can you play snooker under social distancing, even on half the tables?? Those are not relevant at all as they are guidelines for pubs and clubs (Social clubs) The guidelines for snooker clubs, from World Snooker, can be found here wpbsa.com/epsb-club-re-opening-guidance/
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Post by JB on Jul 10, 2020 16:52:38 GMT
Am I the only one getting a bit confused here.
Snooker can be played in snooker clubs. Not sure how this is relevant to this topic as it’s ideas for playing bar billiards which most of us play in pubs or social clubs which, according to the guidelines are not yet allowed to be played.
Hopefully guidelines will change soon
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 17:04:20 GMT
Well here's the official answer, straight from the horse's mouth.
Snooker clubs may be opening but can you play snooker under social distancing, even on half the tables?? As we thought, we have to be patient until three weeks from now, when all might change. Once Pool starts up again, then so can bar billiards.
The time will soon pass, I found the months of April and May really dragged, but June simply flashed by. July is doing the same.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 10, 2020 17:43:46 GMT
Am I the only one getting a bit confused here. Snooker can be played in snooker clubs. Not sure how this is relevant to this topic as it’s ideas for playing bar billiards which most of us play in pubs or social clubs which, according to the guidelines are not yet allowed to be played. Hopefully guidelines will change soon I will clarify how relevant this is. If your bar billiards table is in a pub or social club, then it currently cannot be played on. If your bar billards table is in a snooker/pool club, then it can be played on. As my table is in one of these venues, then i am allowed to go and play, which i have booked in to play next week Those are the current guidelines.
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Post by JB on Jul 10, 2020 18:03:31 GMT
Thanks Mark for clarifying. Exactly how I understand the guidelines.
I just thought Savs attachment was relevant as most tables are in pubs/social clubs.
Glad you can start playing again. Apart from your table I don’t know of any others that are in a snooker club. (Sure there are some).
Let’s just hope that things change soon so we can all get back to playing and socialising.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 10, 2020 19:26:10 GMT
Just a word of caution. My comment was indended to be on the irony of snooker clubs being allowed to open but we cannot play bar billiards in pubs. However this information came direct from the BEIS department of government today. The advice (and it is only advice I believe) from the WPBSA on snooker is their interpretation of the government guidelines. Nowhere in the government guidelines does it say you can play snooker, just that snooker clubs may open as long as they can follow the COVID-secure guidelines. (that comes from the parliamentary answer to a written question).
Indeed in the above quote "pubs, and similar businesses," could be interpreted as applying to snooker clubs as well! If you hunt on the internet you will also find missleading "advice" that slot machines and pool can also be played in pubs! I don't know what the answer is in snooker clubs but there is a hell of a lot of confusion out there. I do not want third party opinions quoted as official government policy on this forum. There has already been a warning from proboards on misinformation. If anyone can find a government pronouncement that snooker (and by implication bar billiards) can be played under social distancing then it obviously contradicts the doctrine I have received, I will go back to BEIS to query it. I have emailed WPBSA for clarification.
In the meantime let's stick to provable facts please and, more important, stay safe and respect the safety of those around you.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 12, 2020 8:46:00 GMT
The reason I started this thread was to discuss ideas on how bar billiards might be played under social distancing. not whether or not bar billiards is allowed to be played.
My idea was to do exactly what WPBSA have done and come up with a comprehensive set of guidelines on the safest way to play bar billiards and minimise the risk of transmitting this awfulr disease to other players and more important, onwards to their friends and loved ones. Hopefully those quidelines would then receive the sanction of our governing body AEBBA so that when establishments contemplate allowing bar billiards they have a reference available to go by to justify bar billiards being played.
Establishment owners are obliged to do risk assessments and to have a set of guidelines readily available can only be useful. It can then also be shown to authorites that we have taken prudent action.
Completing and crorrelating a set of rules seems something that would be right up Tommo's street (hint). If this goes ahead then I will be quite happy to set up a complete board to have a controlling sticky thread and separate threads on various aspects likely to need discussion (as we do with the map).
Do you want it? Over to you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 14:37:50 GMT
By way of response, Sav, I feel that AEBBA should be the ones to take the lead here.................if I may refer to this post:
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Post by barbelman on Jul 13, 2020 10:26:42 GMT
I am sure the AEBBA are anticipating issuing their usual excellent guidance at the appropriate time but we are an unusual pastime in that we have a huge variety of venues from massive clubs to tiny village pubs and an average age well above pool and I suspect above darts and snooker too! Some landlords will not want the BB tables in-situ when they could fit another socially-distanced table in their place (as my local has done - with our knowledge and blessing!)
Until an effective immunisation programme is in place, leagues will possible only be able run on a reduced players/team basis and then only after application of common sense and good practice, most of which should be obvious to us all by now.
All can be organised in a very short space of time in this digital age, so we need not panic yet.
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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 13, 2020 13:48:00 GMT
Until the advice of customers remaining seated as much as possible is changed there is no way for a pub to follow goverment guidance and allow bar billiards to be played. I think when that restriction is lifted or changed is the time we need to have ideas in place but it may well be by then we are allowed to play anyway. In the mean time we should respect publicans and not put any pressure on them, just be happy you can visit for a drink and support them. I can't see how guidelines can be followed and the game played unless you are going to completely clean the table after each player has visited the table, this would include the cloth as it will pick up stuff from the balls rolling over it, players hands touching it to pick up balls or in my case to stand pegs up. Gloves are impractical.
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Post by Chris on Jul 14, 2020 19:45:12 GMT
Dear All
This is a personal opinion and not as a Moderator.
Firstly I personally do not believe the AEBBA Committee can issue any guidelines as to when you should return and how. They are not insured to do so, should someone decide they caught something owing to their guidelines, even though hard to prove where anyone caught anything.
Secondly I agree with Dave UK1, it is up to landlords whether they allow the game or not and how.
Thirdly I then believe it is down to local leagues to decide what they do according to the pubs that are allowing the game to be played.
Lastly I believe whilst we affiliate to the the AEBBA it is because at AEBBA competitions we abide by their rules of THEIR competitions that they run, they however do not run local leagues and never have done.
So truly not sure why AEBBA Committee should be involved in local leagues and pubs.
I do though believe WE ALL could come up with a helpful set of guidelines to help support players at the point that we can return to local pubs playing.
Chris x
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 21:04:19 GMT
Hi Chrissie, I agree wholeheartedly with your first four paragraphs - First, Secondly, Thirdly, Lastly.
But then you went and spoilt it !
It had been suggested that we all come up with our own ideas on how we could start playing the game again. This has been done to death already, with good suggestions being put forward, but the bottom line being that we should not make it up as we go along but should use official guidelines (which are not exactly 100% clear anyway). It was even suggested that I should be the one to collate things: (Why me ? I am no longer a member of Staff !)
Having read all the useful advice about Covid-19 so far that is displayed on the AEBBA website, I re-iterate that AEBBA should be the ones to provide the lead which can then cascade down to Counties and then Leagues. AEBBA have been excellent so far in modifying their calendar of events to make life easier for those who are affiliated to them.
All they need to do now is follow the directive of the slot machine operators as it is unlikely the Government will issue any guidance specific to bar billiards.
Regards,
tommo
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 15, 2020 8:38:01 GMT
It was even suggested that I should be the one to collate things: (Why me ? I am no longer a member of Staff !)
Because you have done such a good job with the map thanks?? and were not a member of staff for that either.
The government have asked sport governing bodies to come up with recommendations for safe participation in their own sport for outdoor games which are now allowed.
When indoor games are allowed by the government they will likely make the same request. I was trying to promote the idea of having a set guidelines ready to go.
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Post by Chris on Jul 15, 2020 18:46:55 GMT
Sorry Clive I did not explain my final point well at all.
Like schools all pubs and clubs are different. Layout, facilities and how the pub wants to operate on its opening.
There could be a set of guidelines BUT it is individual to each pub, league and so on, more importantly landlords and landladies.
If depends on space, resources, facilities and landlords priorities.
So personally I believe it is up to each public house, in discussion with their local league, in discussion with each County.
I agree there are great ideas on here. But AEBBA do not know individual pubs and restrictions/their facilities but locals, leagues and counties do.
One shoe does not fit all.
I believe local leagues should take the ideas from this thread and work with their pub to ensure a safe start to the game at local and County level.
When AEBBA comps come back then and only then in my personal belief is it up to them to advise us all 're AEBBA tournaments.
Chris x
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 19:14:59 GMT
Ok Chrissie I appreciate your motives. But I'm sure I'm not allone in thinking that we're wasting our time in speculating over what measures should be put in place to help us start playing again: once size does not indeed fit all. For instance, Margo and I had a very nice lunchtime meal in a restaurant today where there were no markings on the floor, not a mask in sight and nothing more than hand sanitisers to suggest that we are battling through an epidemic. They even took cash !
It is as you say down to individual venues and I have kept a log for my local leagues of what each venue has set out on their website/facebook regarding their own restrictions.
In the current set of circumstances I would say that "less is more" - the fewer directives coming from unofficial sources the better, to avoid confusion in the long run.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 16, 2020 8:37:22 GMT
WPBSA Company Secretary has confirmed to me that they are working to exactly the same information sources as us. WPBSA initially considered that snooker clubs could open but only as social clubs, not allowing snooker itself to be played.
Then came the DCMS parliamentary reply to a written question I mentioned earlier allowing snooker clubs to open provided they followed social distancing. WPBSA found the waters were thus very muddied, as we do, and so started their consultation with players and clubs to come up with their own social distancing guidelines which WPBSA considered would allow them to play snooker. It is under those WPBSA sanctioned guidelines on social distancing whilst playing snooker and no further government advice that snooker clubs are opening for the playing of snooker.
WPBSA had not seen the letter I received from BEIS on not being allowed to play snooker and we both wonder whether various government departments talk to each other.
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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 16, 2020 13:02:37 GMT
I've been to a few pubs, not GK, and whether rightfully or wrongly they are allowing pool and bar billiards to be played, the conditions are. The table is on free play, you pay £5 for 45ish minutes on the table and it has to be the same players throughout, after your time is up, the balls and table are cleaned. Seems a stupid idea and pretty sure it isn't in the spirit of covid safe
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Post by grant on Jul 16, 2020 18:19:11 GMT
I'm a member of a local sports and social club that has a pool and 3 snooker tables. All are now being played. The only restrictions being 1) Use your own cue 2) Sanitise your hands before and after each game. I'm assuming they are cleaning the table / balls before the first game or after the last.
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Post by racehorse on Jul 16, 2020 22:16:31 GMT
I'm a member of a local sports and social club that has a pool and 3 snooker tables. All are now being played. The only restrictions being 1) Use your own cue 2) Sanitise your hands before and after each game. I'm assuming they are cleaning the table / balls before the first game or after the last. Completely agree Grant. Most pubs i have been in have no restrictions at all. Billiards we sanitize balls, pegs and table if feel need to and hands before each game. Snooker is done for you and only 2 per table. At the end of the day it comes down to individuals. I have been in supermarkets, in taxis and to bbq's but some people haven't left the house. If people want to do anything including getting on a plane or go to the supermarket and pick up a loaf of bread 50 people have checked the sell by date on, it is personal choice. We had an inhouse tournament on wed and everyone left with a smaile and pub will remain. Landlady was to see both teams in the pub. Time to just adapt or wait, it is not a go at anyone as all individual choice.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 17, 2020 12:32:01 GMT
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