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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 15:21:47 GMT
I am with Millhouse on this one Nigel. If someone is number 1 and never played in Jersey how can you NOT select them! If I ever get in the top 10 and never get selected I will stop playing on principal. This is why we need to discuss the England selection process.
You want to make people join England not try to dishearten them >:(
I am 100% against the selection process due to selectors being naive to select good upcoming players! >:(
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Post by NigelS on Aug 18, 2006 16:20:46 GMT
Johnny, how could you expect to play well for England in Jersey if you have never played over there? Jersey is a different game played under different rules and conditions, if you have never been there you will crash and burn as an England player I can guarantee that.
At the end of the day the England selectors have and are doing a good job (and it is not always an easy one), results of the team prove this. Selectors have and will in the future select new players when appropriate and they deserve it. You shouldn't say that if you made the top 10 and were not selected you would stop playing on principal, there are a lot of factors that must be taken into consideration when picking the England team, experience and current form being the main two.
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Post by Colemanator on Aug 18, 2006 16:38:09 GMT
Jersey is a different game played under different rules and conditions And you wanna give RPs for it ::) :)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 16:54:11 GMT
If I can't get selected to play there, then how will I ever learn to play it?
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Post by SirKT on Aug 18, 2006 17:39:29 GMT
By going to the World championships in November. It`s not cheap but Friday to Monday, b & b in the Ommaroo hotel works out at £63.00 (an extra £10 per night for half board) and if you book your flights early enough you can get return tickets for about £60.00, it`s well worth it just for the experience. Nigel, I`m afraid i disagree with you on the matter about not picking someone who`s won loads of competitions but never played in Jersey. There have been players in the past in that position and given the chance to prove they can adapt. Some made it, some didn`t. They have to be given the chance otherwise you`ll never know.
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Post by Colemanator on Aug 18, 2006 17:58:49 GMT
How many England selectors play for England? Can't see how you can select yourself :-/ Don't happen in any other sport I can think of :)
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Post by NigelS on Aug 18, 2006 18:01:36 GMT
. Nigel, I`m afraid i disagree with you on the matter about not picking someone who`s won loads of competitions but never played in Jersey. There have been players in the past in that position and given the chance to prove they can adapt. Some made it, some didn`t. They have to be given the chance otherwise you`ll never know. Kev, I think it is a big risk to take someone to Jersey for an international with no previous Jersey experience. Not sure what players in the past have been picked without Jersey experience before but I think you are on a hiding to nothing playing on those tables for the first time against Ahier, Barbet etc. Personally, I think it has taken me 5 years to feel properly confident on those tables. Johnny, Come to Jersey and you will see what I mean, as Kev says it is well worth it. Easily the best experience in bar billiards!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 18:51:24 GMT
Nigel - Don't you have to be selected to attend Jersey and play? Is Jersey an Open for everybody to enter?
Like KT says it's expensive to go there then not play!
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Post by NigelS on Aug 18, 2006 19:01:16 GMT
Johnny, the World Champs in Jersey is open to anyone who wishes to enter and is in November every year. I have been going since 1999 and it is by far the best tournament in the bar billiards calendar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 21:00:28 GMT
Johnny, your scepticism makes sense now that we realise you didn't know the World championships were open for all to attend. (Suppose this wasn't the case - how would you ever get on the first rung of the ladder ?)
"Jersey" is great - a lot of people go over for the fun of the weekend, and a lot of the Islanders in the draw just have a go "as it's there" - with the result that a quite ordinary player can get through quite a few rounds. My target is always to survive into the second day (the Sunday).
Someone get an entry form to Johnny somehow. I used to get one sent to me by Nigel Bisson direct, when Travtel were the sponsors, and arranged my own travel, but some go in groups. I'm going with Q, Sparky and the Mid Sussex lot this year.
Pete, welcome back, but I thought the reason for Katie moving to Sussex-by-the-Sea was in pursuit of love's young dream ? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2006 22:17:05 GMT
Now it is making sense.
Thank you Tommo and Nigel also LadyH.
I didn't mean to sound like a prick or a twat then, I feel soo passionate about Bar Billiards, I want to go all the way and hopefully emulate what you lot have done!
I would be honored to go to Jersey. I will get a job just to go there. It's my inspiration to play and win the World Championship.
So Nigel, is it possible for us to be good mates now and put this behind us?
I will want to go to Jersey and Opens across the country and become the player I set out to be at the age of 9, the World Champion of Bar Billiards like my Great Uncle went all the way in Billiards.
I hope to see you lot in Jersey November, if I ever get this form (when it comes out) and hopefully meet you all and hopefully stand some chance of winning Bar Billiards most prestigious prize!
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Post by NigelS on Aug 19, 2006 0:41:09 GMT
Johnny, of course we can be good mates!
Hope you do make it Jersey, you will learn so much through watching all the top players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 1:05:56 GMT
Johnny, of course we can be good mates! Hope you do make it Jersey, you will learn so much through watching all the top players. I was thinking more along the lines of playing the top players!
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Post by fazza on Aug 19, 2006 7:01:24 GMT
Johnny. Hope we are mates also, as I was the one who offered you a lift to some of the opens, even though you may have thought I was a perv. The only thing is: you really should kerb your choice of language or the moderators may get you. I also think you should become a little less fickle. A couple of weeks ago, I seem to remember you were threatening to give everything up just because the landlord was talking about throwing the table out. Now you seem to talk about giving it up just because you are going to win everything and still fail to get into the England team. I will be honest and say that, as you have only appeared once on the National stage to date, there are a few ahead of you at the moment, but you must have the faith. Even future England captains have to wait a while.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 8:43:38 GMT
Even future England captains have to wait a while..... There you go, Johnny... Pete has coined a new name for you: "FEC". 8-) I recall that the cricketer Mike Atherton was referred to as this in the England dressing room for a couple of years before it actually came true. ;)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 11:00:19 GMT
I haven't had a disagreement with you, so why wouldn't we be mates! I don't want to sound like Nicki (from Big Brother) on this forum by any means. I just love the game too much, any little thing that looks like getting in my way I am OK with. The landlord and my confusement over England selection and Jersey open was all I had concerns about. Its a shame that the landlord still can't give a straight answer but I would rather leave before he tells us to leave! As for the Jersey Open, I am glad it is an open, I always thought like the England Team you had to be selected! I would be more than happy going to Jersey now knowing theres a little chance of winning something.
The England Selection process which I started complaining about was to do with Selectors not selecting up and coming talent, because they had no experience on the Jersey table, thats where I got confused as How would you play on one if you never got selected! I am no longer confused over the situation.
Tommo - Keep that nickname in mind, I'm coming to get it! ;)
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Post by fazza on Aug 19, 2006 12:03:30 GMT
I am so glad your confusement is sorted out, but the BBQ would still help you somewhatment!
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Post by SirKT on Aug 19, 2006 17:13:16 GMT
Hi Johnny 9 is a good age to start. My dad had his first pub when i was that age and that`s when i was taught the game. Mind you, i had to stand on a beer crate, but the team playing for the pub, one of the best around at the time (Ernie Jordan,Gerry Lambert,Ken Hussey,Viv Shephard to name a few), were pleased to teach me. Now the secrets out, if you want to blame anyone for my success over the years, you know who to speak to. My first league game (in Hertfordshire, sadly now defunked) i think was back in 1972, playing for the Plough nr Sarratt (Watford). I also had a hunger for the game even then. When i lost my first singles match (against a good player called Joe Di Piano) i must admit there were tears in my eyes. But i learnt from those experiences and became quite good at that young age (16) I played in my first All England singles back in 1975, not because i won the County singles in that year, but because the finalists and other semi finalist weren`t available on the date in question. It was quite daunting playing against the top player from the other counties, didn`t disgrace myself though. The Sussex player at the time won (Mike Hinton). After that i never looked back. My parents moved down to Oxon,again in pubs. I started playing locally in the Wallingford & Oxford leagues (which had 10 Divisions at the time). Came up against some of Oxfords finest, Pete Wells (who was one of the first players to introduce the split shot into the game), Alan Sales and some young upstart called Sheard! Since then we`ve met once or twice (more like 40 or 50 times) in most competitions, League,County & All England and once in Jersey. My first AE title came in 1980 as a complete underdog (those were the days) but because of the competitiveness of Bar Billiards at the time, my next one didn`t arrive until 94, but i did lose a couple of finals on the way, Others came in 96, 2000 & last year. I`m hoping to become the first player ever to retain this wonderful trophy in October, but i`m sure Nigel might have something to say about that. Obviously being stuck up in Cambs makes it very hard for you to compete at the highest level, but i wish you luck, and when you eventually win your County singles, you will also get the chance to win the greatest prize on these shores (second only to the World Champs).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 17:34:05 GMT
:'( Thanks KT. I guess looking at your attributes I hope I do turn in to the great player you are today!
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Post by SirKT on Aug 19, 2006 18:18:50 GMT
Why thank you young man. Shame you can`t be at the Bucks open tomorrow, or did you not know about it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2006 18:33:05 GMT
I didn't even know about it :( I'm not sure I would of gone though as I'm too busy at the moment.
I would love to play you though. I would love to gain that experience.
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Post by fazza on Aug 20, 2006 5:55:14 GMT
Now you don't hear that phrase very often: "I want to play Kevin!" Hope you never change your mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2006 18:27:41 GMT
Unless he is a serial killer I won't :D ;)
I love playing better players, it's the only way to improve!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2006 13:18:08 GMT
Kev, just so that you know as I'm sure I don't say it often enough.....
.....I, too, think your brilliant!!
Oh - and haven't you got something to tell me?!!
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Post by fazza on Sept 8, 2006 6:09:19 GMT
I could tell you to get back to work
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2006 15:38:05 GMT
I know - it is not easy balancing my precious time the way I do. There is definately an art to it.
Oh - and for all the pedants out there - I know it was meant to be 'you're'
I'm ashamed and sorry.
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Post by fazza on Sept 9, 2006 6:51:41 GMT
There is definately an art to it. Oh - and for all the pedants out there - I know it was meant to be 'you're' There is only one "pedant" here, and that is defin I tely my job, but I would never OF picked you up on that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2006 8:23:21 GMT
I was tired and emotional. It's been a long week, what with trying to crowbar myself into a team etc. And, lest we forget, getting to talk to you for the first time in ages. It has all happened this week. I'm quite drained. ::)
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Post by fazza on Sept 9, 2006 12:01:18 GMT
I was tired and emotional. It's been a long week, what with trying to crowbar myself into a team etc. And, lest we forget, getting to talk to you for the first time in ages. It has all happened this week. I'm quite drained. ::) Me too, must be all this decorating
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Post by Sparky on Sept 9, 2006 19:08:34 GMT
Pete I assume you finished with getting plastered before you started watching paint dry :D
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