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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 16:36:36 GMT
Why not hold a national 4 pin tournament? Like an open?
Surely if there is a new Surrey open there is room for a few more events. Hopefully Cambridge Open in 2010?!?
Maybe Cambridge plate can be 4 pin Bar Billiards ;) ;D
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 6, 2008 18:14:58 GMT
Perfect way of making sure that nobody stops for the Plate. I played in the Wellingborough 4-pin league for one summer season years ago. I found that the game was won and lost AFTER the bar had dropped because all scores are then doubled, including the requisite 200 last ball shot where, if the red was kept for it, 800 could be scored. If you bear in mind that good scores were in the region of 1500 - 2500, you will see that the first 15 mins of the game were almost irrelevant. More confirmation that four pin is a direct derivative of the French Billard Russe game. Those are exactly the rules for their four pin game, only without the 200 hole. Triangles was an attempt to prevent the completely repetitive nature of top bar billiards without changing anything except the break shot. Sav
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 18:30:32 GMT
Why not hold a national 4 pin tournament? Like an open? Surely if there is a new Surrey open there is room for a few more events. Hopefully Cambridge Open in 2010?!? Maybe Cambridge plate can be 4 pin Bar Billiards ;) ;D Hope you get Cambridge 2010 off the ground, we're all looking forward to it. ;) Re 4-pin, it's either slot it in to the niche that's already there for it, at the expense of Triangles - or forget the whole idea. Entry to Triangles has been diminishing, changing it to 4-pin might be the filip it needs, by attracting new players.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 18:35:31 GMT
Perfect way of making sure that nobody stops for the Plate. I played in the Wellingborough 4-pin league for one summer season years ago. I found that the game was won and lost AFTER the bar had dropped because all scores are then doubled, including the requisite 200 last ball shot where, if the red was kept for it, 800 could be scored. If you bear in mind that good scores were in the region of 1500 - 2500, you will see that the first 15 mins of the game were almost irrelevant. That's as maybe, but I don't see why an idea should be dismissed out of hand just because someone said "tried it, didn't like it, won't do it again". ::) Part of the deal for the 4-pin contingent could be that we tweak the rules slightly to turn it into something more meaningful.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 20:40:33 GMT
;D Should be the normal situation for all plate competitions.
That way it won't die out! Plus it will filter the good losers better for those few ranking points!
I don't agree that it should be dismissed out of hand, maybe a trial open and see how it goes?
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Post by fazza on Aug 6, 2008 21:38:07 GMT
Just to explain that I did not dismiss it at all. I was just pointing out that many players being knocked out in the first round already leave because they cannot be bothered to stay for the inferior competition. This idea would multiply that.
I also point out that I have never yet failed to take part in a Plate when beaten. You will have a problem arranging a "meaningful" competition between the few who decide to play in it. I will deeply apologise if I am wrong as it is purely my opinion based on experience of staging so many events.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 21:49:21 GMT
I agree with Pete, and don't think it will work, Johnny.
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Post by fazza on Aug 6, 2008 21:51:10 GMT
Is that a change of heart? Or did I read your previous post wrongly?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2008 22:58:15 GMT
I was agreeing with you (or thought I was!) on your view that for Johnny to make the Cambs Open 2010 Plate a 4-pin competition might fall a bit flat. Better to have it run along traditional lines.
I maintain my view that Alternative Rules needs an overhaul, and here is a ready-made opportunity to widen the spectrum of our sport.
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Post by fazza on Aug 7, 2008 7:00:43 GMT
In that case, we are in total unison as ever
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Post by Carls421 on May 12, 2011 19:10:45 GMT
Perfect way of making sure that nobody stops for the Plate. I played in the Wellingborough 4-pin league for one summer season years ago. I found that the game was won and lost AFTER the bar had dropped because all scores are then doubled, including the requisite 200 last ball shot where, if the red was kept for it, 800 could be scored. If you bear in mind that good scores were in the region of 1500 - 2500, you will see that the first 15 mins of the game were almost irrelevant. More confirmation that four pin is a direct derivative of the French Billard Russe game. Those are exactly the rules for their four pin game, only without the 200 hole. Triangles was an attempt to prevent the completely repetitive nature of top bar billiards without changing anything except the break shot. Sav These are not the rules at all, the only way the scores are doubled is when the Red ball is pocketed
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 19:26:21 GMT
These are not the rules at all, the only way the scores are doubled is when the Red ball is pocketed Sudbury playing Rule 13 would seem to bear out what you say : 13 Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double..
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Post by BFG on May 13, 2011 22:06:47 GMT
These are not the rules at all, the only way the scores are doubled is when the Red ball is pocketed Sudbury playing Rule 13 would seem to bear out what you say : 13 Scores shall have the same value before and after the gate has dropped. The red ball will continue to score double.. Certainly in Wellingborough the scores double for all balls when the bar drops
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