Returning to Q's one he found in Hertfordshire, here are three more:
Our Mutual Friend Public House, Broadwater Crescent, Stevenage, Hertfordshire The Goat, 37 Sopwell Lane, St. Albans, Hertfordshire (correct as at April 2008) The White Swan, Upper Dagnall Street, St. Albans, Hertfordshire (correct as at April 2008)
KT is mentioned in the first one, though Herts seem to have disowned him - maybe they weren't aware of his roots! In the second article an interesting reference to the game in Jersey in 1972, where one player used to play the table out going "in-off" the 200 mushroom!
True, but we're constantly on the trail of evidence of bar billiards matches being played outside of our little universe............ And there was mention of a North Herts v East Beds challenge game (won by East Beds).
A definitive list for Herts, taken from our AEBBA map investigations:
The Goat Inn ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! 37 Sopwell Lane St Albans, Hertfordshire AL1 1RN 01727 833 934 VICTORIA (formerly the Glass House) 82 VICTORIA ST, ST ALBANS, HERTS AL1 3TG The White Swan ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! 1 Upper Dagnall St St Albans, Hertfordshire AL3 5EA 01727 830 611 The White Lion ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! 44 London Rd Apsley End Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire HP3 9SB The Red Lion - Non league - Church Road, Studham, Dunstable, Beds LU6 2QA The Cock! ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! High St Pavenham, Bedford MK43 7NJ 01234 822 834 Royal George - Non league - 8 Silver Street, Stevington, Bedfordshire MK43 7QP Our Mutual Friend ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! Broadwater Crescent, Stevenage, Hertfordshire SG2 8EH 01438 312 282 The Chequers Inn ! ! Non league 4-Pin ! ! ! ! 16 London Rd Woolmer Green, Knebworth, Hertfordshire SG3 6JP 01438 813 216 The Bucks Head - Non league - Stevenage Road, Little Wymondley, Herts SG4 7HY The Strathmore Arms!! Non league ! ! ! ! Whitwell Rd St. Pauls Walden, Hitchin, Hertfordshire SG4 8BT 01438 871654 The Bedford Arms - Non league - 13 Bedford Road, Hitchin, Herts, SG5 2TP The Orange Tree - Non league - Norton Road Baldock Herts, SG7 5AW The Blind Fiddler ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! Anstey Near Buntingford, Herts SG8 8DH 01763 848 000 The White Horse ! ! Non league ! ! ! ! 33 Castle St Hertford SG14 1HH 01992 503 911
A report back from SquireRichard in his HamandEggerFiles:
A link on the All England Bar Billiards Association (AEBBA) website shows the location of Bar Billiard tables in the UK. Checking this out I saw that the closest ones to us were at The Strathmore Arms pub in St Paul’s Walden (near Hitchin, Herts), The Red Lion at Studham (near Dunstable, Beds), Bedford Arms in Hitchin and at The Bucks Head in Little Wymondley (near Hitchin, Herts). Also on the list and fairly nearby were The White Lion in Hemel Hempstead, The Goat Inn in St Albans, The Chequers Inn in Knebworth, Our Mutual Friend in Stevenage and The Unicorn in Cublington, Bucks. I have also found out via twitter that The Orange Tree in Baldock, Herts does have a table (and also sells Gluten Free food and Beer).
* Location updates (4th &11th Feb and 24th March 2012) - The Bucks Head in Little Wymondley no longer has a table - The Red Lion in Studham no longer has a table - The Bedford Arms in Hitchin has changed to a Pool table - The Chequers Inn in Knebworth does still have a table - and the baize has been relaid - The White Lion in Hemel Hempstead no longer has a table
We popped to The Bucks Head pub in Little Wymondley (near Stevenage) yesterday. They no longer have a Bar Billiards table - the barman said it was costing them far more to rent than they were taking from it.
They do however still offer Dominoes, Cards & Cribbage for customers. Nice and friendly village pub.
Post by squirerichard on Feb 11, 2012 12:15:06 GMT
I rang around a few pubs before heading out today. I found out that The Red Lion in Studham no longer has a Bar Billiards Table. Neither does The Bedford Arms in Hitchin, they've changed to a Pool table.
I called The Chequers Inn at Knebworth too - they do still have a table and the baize has recently been relaid. I'll be heading there for a game soon...
No answer from Our Mutual Friend pub in Stevenage.
That's a great blog, SquireRichard, very informative.
It is strange and interesting that the two pubs you visited in the same county play the two separate versions of the game.
The three known 4-Pin leagues in the country are Wellingborough (Nthnts), Norwich and Sudbury, which form a sort of arc around Herts - but then you also have the magnetic pull from Bucks to the west and Cambs and the rest of Northants to the north which play the standard 3-Pin.
Anyway, I'll change the Chequers on the map to a black mushroom (= non-league 4-pin table).
Post by squirerichard on Feb 15, 2012 16:09:07 GMT
No problem. Glad you liked the blog post :-)
I've noted down the other locations in Herts & Beds and noticed there is one in Bucks too. I'll try and get to them all at some point during the summer. Fingers crossed they've got some nice Beer gardens and fingers crossed my wife will drive to some of them too!
I'm going to be in London soon so will try and get a few games in as well. Got some friends there that are also interested in giving Bar Billiards a go.
An interesting point to note is that both the Goat and the White Swan were former "Rental" tables from Bar Billiards Ltd, Ascot (who have now ceased operations).
They appeared on the list of tables where rental was to be discontinued and a "decision was needed" but were the only two in Hertfordshire.
The decision was whether the venue wished to take over ownership of the table for £850 plus VAT - or to simply return the table. So it looks like the White Swan was returned, whilst the Goat was rescued. Both were top-quality Jelkes tables, and you can see the "Bar Billiards Ltd" plate on your picture of the Goat table.
I have been concentrating on the Southern and Eastern parts of the city, so the old 'Middlesex' has been neglected as regards investigations, and I probably wouldn't get round to those for a few more years.
I suppose a series of phonecalls would provide definite results, but that rather takes the fun out of the adventure !