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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2007 21:10:48 GMT
Well, we found this one (The Rosary Tavern) okay in the centre of Norwich. The table is an ancient SAMS with the original "Alfred Sams, Hoddesdon, Herts" label on it. 50pence slot, a huge D, 10 white balls, and 4 pins. As a paradox to the White Horse, Swavesey, this table's position rendered left-hand 50 shots impossible, a window ledge being in the way. However, the landlord was very friendly and confimed that it is one of only two pub tables in Norfolk, the other being at the Kings Head, Norwich - against whom they hold a monthly team challenge at alternating venues. So there we are - another mini 4-pin league. They are quite happy this way, as someone is always either a winner or runner-up ! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 21:22:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 21:31:20 GMT
www.pubutopia.com/pubs/N/Norwich/The%20Rosary%20Tavern/index.htmlWell, we found this one (The Rosary Tavern) in the centre of Norwich. The table is an ancient SAMS with the original "Alfred Sams, Hoddesdon, Herts" label on it. 50pence slot, a huge D, 10 white balls, and 4 pins. As a paradox to the White Horse, Swavesey, this table's position rendered left-hand 50 shots impossible, a window ledge being in the way. However, the landlord was very friendly and confimed that it is one of only two pub tables in Norfolk, the other being at the Kings Head, Norwich - against whom they hold a monthly team challenge at alternating venues. So there we are - another mini 4-pin league. They are quite happy this way, as someone is always either a winner or runner-up ! Things seemed to have moved on since our visit which was back in 2007 ! 8-) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2010 21:41:53 GMT
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Post by Carls421 on Apr 16, 2011 21:00:50 GMT
Hi all,
Ok here goes, I have just started with Bar Billiards and just joined the forums, so forgive me if I am repeating old questions etc......
We have a 4 Pin table in our local which isn't registered anywhere on the maps or on the AEBBA forums etc. Anyone know how I can do this?
Secondly, it seems the majority of tables and competitions are 3 pin tables, does anyone know where I can find or indeed contact anyone where I can get more info on 4 pin. Bearing in mind im in Norwich and have joined the league here and in fact doing very well with our team!! :)
Before I start rambling in a non sensical way, can anyone give me anymore guidance?
Anyones help would be very welcome
Many Thanks
Carl
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 22:54:59 GMT
Hi Carl,
I've moved your post to this thread especially for 4-Pin Bar Billiards.
If you read back over the history you will see that there are three 4-Pin Leagues of which we are aware, one being your sparkling mew one in Norwich and the others being Sudbury, Suffolk and Wellingborough, Northants.
The Sudbury League takes in some venues over the county border in Essex and still seems to be thriving, whilst the Wellingborough League struggles on despite being an enclave surrounded by the remainder of Northamptonshire dedicated to 3-Pin - as is Cambridgeshire (which includes Huntingdonshire).
We are aware that the 4-Pin version is also played in Greater London and also 'oop north in Manchester and beyond, but we have yet to hear of any leagues - or the game being played competitively - in those areas.
4-Pin is of course very much in the minority, but holds a fascination for me, I once investigated tables in Norwich and found one in the Rosary Tavern, but that was a few years ago, and before the Norwich League was set up.
It will be good to have some discussions on the differences in our games: we have one forum member each from Sudbury and Wellingborough - wouldn't it be great if by corresponding on here some sort of 4-pin championship could be set up involving all three leagues ?
tommo
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Post by Carls421 on Apr 17, 2011 0:52:00 GMT
Fantastic!! Thanks for this! Ok then just an update for you... Our league consists of 4 pubs with 4-pin Bar Billiards in Norwich, The Cottage, The Kings Head, The White Lion and The Golden Star. (The Golden Star have 2 teams The Golden Star and The Black Stars) We also run a singles tournament between the end and start of the league. I will go to The Rosary Tavern to see if they still have a table, but 95% sure it hasn't anymore..... Personally I play for The Cottage on Silver Road which has just been voted the CAMRA pub of the year 2011, also won EDP (Eastern Daily Press,local newspaper) pub of the week a couple of weeks ago, which is great for us! (Not advertising but the 10 Real Ales are just amazing www.thecottagenorwich.co.uk ) Anyway, the table we have is an Alfred Sams & Sons 4-pin table, 7 white balls 1 Red (Is this the norm? as I saw that someone says another table has 10 Whites???) I'll try and put some photos on here if I can (Do you know the best place to put them?) I'll try to get our website manager to update our website as soon as I can so we can post the league results as we get them, the website for it is www.norwichbarbilliards.co.uk but at the moment it has last seasons results on it, but as I say, it will be updated soon. Basically, what I'm getting at is that Bar Billiards is becoming more and more popular here, and starting to get a good name for itself. I'm becoming secretly a little addicted to it, which is why I googled it and found these forums :D So if there is anything I can do to help then please let me know Hope this info helps your quest :-) Best Regards Carl |
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Post by Chris_Sav on Apr 17, 2011 9:51:12 GMT
Welcome Carl,
If there is interest from your league we would be quite happy to start off a board for you (and all four pin leagues) to post results etc. as we have for all three pin leagues.
All you have to do is ask
Sav.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 21:32:58 GMT
Anyway, the table we have is an Alfred Sams & Sons 4-pin table, 7 white balls 1 Red (Is this the norm? as I saw that someone says another table has 10 Whites???) That was me, commenting on my visit to the Rosary. Everything about the table there was ancient, including the make of the table, a Padmore's (with four holes in the front to slide cues into). 10 balls is obviously a luxury, I think only 6 whites are used for 4-Pin (we use 7 whites for 3-Pin). There are loads of differences between the two versions of the game, and obviously the enormous scores possible on 3-Pin are due to the 50 and 100 holes not being covered by strategic pins. Our tables tend to be wider, are brushed downwards away from baulk, and the numbering of holes at the back is different (we go 30-20-10-20-30 as opposed to your 10-20-30-20-10). Also, our leather D's are no more than 8cm in diameter (I have seen some really large ones on 4-Pin tables!) I have also been told that many 4-Pin games are won or lost after the bar has dropped - whereas in 3-Pin a top player frequently wins the game on his first visit. I'm pleased to hear that the game is taking off in your area, the wife and I have had loads of holidays in Norfolk but none since your league started. So next time we're up that way we'll be trying to fit in a visit to all your pub venues. 8-) |
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Post by Carls421 on Apr 19, 2011 16:04:15 GMT
Thanks for the info, but now Im a little confused as to which table we actually have??? Ive been looking at various websites and info about the game, when we received it, the scores on the backboard were 30, 20, 10, 20, 30 which from what you say suggests a 3 pin table (I have changed the numbers around because I was told they were the wrong way round) but the hole positions look like a 4 pin. It is marked out on the table with 4 pins but a very small D. Confused??? Me too.... I have attached a photo of the table, if you could let me know what you think. If you do manage to come to Norfolk again, let me know and I would be more than happy to take you around the venues to show you around, they are all within walking distance from each other, and all the pubs are very welcoming too! Attachments:
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Post by Carls421 on Apr 19, 2011 16:21:23 GMT
Welcome Carl, If there is interest from your league we would be quite happy to start off a board for you (and all four pin leagues) to post results etc. as we have for all three pin leagues. All you have to do is ask Sav. Sav, It would be great if you could set up a board for us! Thank you :) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2011 14:35:43 GMT
Hi Carl,
Sav has already been busy and created the board for you, and this is how it works.
At the moment we are in:
Jersey, Guernsey, International and Other Bar Billiards :: 4-Pin :: Norwich 4 Pin League :: Norwich (4-pin) Bar Billiards League
Jersey etc etc is the Main board, "4-Pin" is a new sub-board, and there are 3 boards within that (yours plus Sudbury 4-pin and Wellingborough 4-Pin).
We are currently adding to the solitary thread on the board, called Norwich (4-pin) Bar Billiards League. But you now have the facility to start off new threads alongside it (examples could be "Venues" or "Fixtures for week ......." or even one where you simply give a link to the website).
To do this you will have to 'go back one' on the coloured array above, to Norwich 4 Pin League. You can access this via the main menu where all the boards are listed.
Hope this helps.
tommo
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Post by Carls421 on Apr 21, 2011 14:47:40 GMT
Many many thanks again for you super quick response! I have told most people in our league about it, so don't be suprised to get a few new applications to join from our area. Look forward to updating and getting in contact with a few more fellow billiardians! :) I'm sure we'll have lots of queries regarding the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 18:13:58 GMT
If you do manage to come to Norfolk again, let me know and I would be more than happy to take you around the venues to show you around, they are all within walking distance from each other, and all the pubs are very welcoming too! Thanks for the kind offer, and I'm sure wifey and I would love to take you up on a guided tour next time we're up that way. Won't be this year, but might be next, as Gt Yarmouth, Caister-on-Sea, Heacham and Hunstanton are all on our list of enjoyable holiday destinations to re-visit some time, and we always reserve one day of the holiday for a good look around the lovely city of Norwich. tommo and margo. |
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Post by Carls421 on Jun 6, 2013 15:53:14 GMT
Norwich 4-Pin League will be starting again within the next few weeks!!! A bit later than planned but been a bit busy lately. Will put results and scores up asap! :)
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jun 6, 2013 21:06:39 GMT
Norwich 4-Pin League will be starting again within the next few weeks!!! A bit later than planned but been a bit busy lately. Will put results and scores up asap! :) Hi Carl, Hope you will have a look at us new boys down south, we would love you to comment on our rules with particular attention to the pin and spot placements eastbournebarbilliards.webs.com/regs cs |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 21:47:34 GMT
Hope you will have a look at us new boys down south, we would love you to comment on our rules with particular attention to the pin and spot placements eastbournebarbilliards.webs.com/regs cs I see Eastbourne are staying (rightly) with the red having to be used whenever available in the tray: It's in the spirit of 4-Pin and I don't see the benefit in trying to speed the game up. But why have the extra ball ? For 4-Pin you are only supposed to have 6 whites and one red. For the new Crawley 4-Pin league we will not be trying to change a thing. (As Kylie would say. ;)) |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jun 6, 2013 22:15:19 GMT
Hope you will have a look at us new boys down south, we would love you to comment on our rules with particular attention to the pin and spot placements eastbournebarbilliards.webs.com/regs cs I see Eastbourne are staying (rightly) with the red having to be used whenever available in the tray: It's in the spirit of 4-Pin and I don't see the benefit in trying to speed the game up. But why have the extra ball ? For 4-Pin you are only supposed to have 6 whites and one red. For the new Crawley 4-Pin league we will not be trying to change a thing. (As Kylie would say. ;)) it's so we don't lose the seventh ball...were very forgetful in Eastbourne, not enough oily fish in our diet ::) |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jun 7, 2013 14:42:41 GMT
I see Eastbourne are staying (rightly) with the red having to be used whenever available in the tray: It's in the spirit of 4-Pin and I don't see the benefit in trying to speed the game up. We feel not waiting for the red will be more fun for us, i suppose we are more interested in doing what works for us rather than sticking steadfastly to rules that may have been around for ages and the reasons why have long been forgotten. I also remember playing at norwich and watching scorers bash the red down the holes in an attempt to speed things up, i think world war three would have started if that had happened down south. On another point i was also scoring at Norwich on more than 1 occasion a player had played the cue ball before another ball had dropped , this is a hanging offence in Eastbourne but there is nothing in the 4 pin rules to deal with this, in the end i give a warning to each player rather than calling a foul, the norwich players were casual about it but i did hear some muttering from one or two of us "southern belles" regs cs |
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Post by Carls421 on Oct 13, 2013 11:21:09 GMT
Apologies for not updating our results etc. for a long long while, personally I've been so damn busy in the past 6 months and havn't been able to get on here very much at all. But hopefully should be able to now as things have (kind of) slowed down a little. Well here are our latest league standings and results..... Enjoy.... www.norwichbarbilliards.co.uk/League_Table.html |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 15:52:15 GMT
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Post by Carls421 on Jun 7, 2015 11:51:47 GMT
Well Derren Brown seems to like our new table at the Coach and Horses! Hehe
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