David.G
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Post by David.G on Nov 27, 2011 21:08:23 GMT
The agenda for the AGM is as follows
11am Select committee meeting 12 noon Xmas Dinner at the carvery 2pm AGM
There are no proposals this year however there will be a discussion on whether or not the mixed pairs should become a ranking tournement
Phil Hawkins will also enquire about a new competition
Also on the agenda is the topic of the table lights
Those wishing to attend the AGM, could you please let me know if you require the Xmas meal
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David.G
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Post by David.G on Nov 27, 2011 21:10:30 GMT
Xmas Dinner at the carvery
Dave Alder Sam Alder Diana Alder Kevin Tunstall Nigel Senior Keith Sheard Pauline Withey Sav Mrs Sav
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Post by peetee on Dec 1, 2011 18:31:48 GMT
My apologies due to other commitments.
Pete
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 3, 2011 8:54:52 GMT
Unfortunately we will be unable to attend.
Please could somebody pass on our apologies to the meeting.
Many thanks.
Dave & Colleen
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Post by Sparky on Dec 3, 2011 12:33:35 GMT
Please pass on my apology for absence
Thanks Graham
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2011 14:16:27 GMT
Please convey apologies for absence from tommo and Margo too please.
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Post by Colemanator on Dec 3, 2011 23:16:50 GMT
I don't think that there will be a NBBL rep there , so apologies due.
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Post by bigtj on Dec 4, 2011 7:29:31 GMT
Apologies from TJ
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Post by Chris on Dec 4, 2011 9:31:06 GMT
Apologies from the Newson's I don't think Portsmouth will be represented today
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Post by milko on Dec 4, 2011 9:45:56 GMT
Apologies from the Newson's I don't think Portsmouth will be represented today Chris, Isn't Tony Webster going, then, as I thought he was on the England selection Committee with myself? Keith
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Post by Chris on Dec 4, 2011 20:06:30 GMT
You only have me and Chris Keith
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 4, 2011 20:12:32 GMT
Just got back from my 240 mile five hour total drive to have sat with TEN other hardy souls who were interested enough to turn up for the most important bar billiard decision making meeting of the year.
President and Treasurer were not there and Bournemouth accounts (what there was of them was wrong) only turned up in the last couple of days.
Mo major decisions and there was only just a quorum (would not have been one if I had represented this forum and not Kent as was my intention).
Main problem was reported by Dave about how little cooperation he is getting from several hirers for delivering and receiving tables. Often there is no one from the local association at the venue to help offload. Dave does this all voluntarily and, if he gets fed up and packs in, we would be in a right mess. This association owes him especially and the other AEBBA organisers an awfully big thank you and a lot more effort to help him help us.
Dates of comps will be available as soon as I get them, new table lights have been commissioned and the officers were voted in en-bloc. England Men's team was announced and I'll defer to the skipper on that.
Sav
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 5, 2011 8:10:17 GMT
There are no proposals this year however there will be a discussion on whether or not the mixed pairs should become a ranking tournement Phil Hawkins will also enquire about a new competition I am sorry that we could not attend the AGM, due to long arranged family commitments. Were any decisions made about either the Mixed Pairs, or the possible new competition...?
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 5, 2011 8:27:41 GMT
President and Treasurer were not there and Bournemouth accounts (what there was of them was wrong) only turned up in the last couple of days. That is a concern.... the Bournemouth weekend must be one of the biggest sources on income during the AEBBA financial year.... but 8 months after the event and incorrect (and, from the sound of it incomplete....) accounts provided. :o :o :o Clearly this is NOT a subject for open discussion on the Forum, but I would hope that a good explanation was provided and that some form of plan was put into place to both ensure that the correct and complete accounts for last year are made available as soon as possible and that there is not the same problem in future years.....?
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 5, 2011 8:30:38 GMT
Hi Dave,
Mixed Pairs is scheduled for the Autumn in Reading. It was decided not to farm it out and run it on the same day as the Over 50's and 60's. There was VERY lengthy discussion on whether there would be any more interest by moving it away from Reading and the need for Dave to drive another weekend. There is a risk to this arrangement if someone makes multiple finals but it was decided to give it a go for this year.
Possible New Competition was a tournament of League Champions. It was decided that this was too similar to the AEBBA Singles which is effectively a tournament of League Champions for single league counties. It was also difficult to fit another comp in.
The biggest problem with all these competitions has been the dramatic drop in entries this year. The Post Office is a marvellous venue but cannot be expected to supply heating, lighting and staff for twenty or so people in the main hall. AEBBA communication depends on this forum and it is vitally important that our readers keep non members informed. Dave does not have the time and cannot be expected to post out ghard copies of entry forms. Post up the Newsletters and calendar from the AEBBA site in your pubs!! We will push competition dates on the News Fader on the top of the forum in future.
Sav
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 5, 2011 8:35:37 GMT
Main problem was reported by Dave about how little cooperation he is getting from several hirers for delivering and receiving tables. Often there is no one from the local association at the venue to help offload. Dave does this all voluntarily and, if he gets fed up and packs in, we would be in a right mess. This association owes him especially and the other AEBBA organisers an awfully big thank you and a lot more effort to help him help us. Given the superb job that Dave does with delivering the tables, that is to hear.... >:( Surely, it should be a condition of the table hire that the hirers are available to receive the tables at the venue when they are delivered.... and collected. ::) Apart from obviously giving Dave (and Sam normally) help in unloading the tables, it would also raise the issue as to who would be responsible if any damage was found on the tables after they have been delivered if the hirers were not there to receive them....? :-/
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 5, 2011 8:44:05 GMT
Clearly this is NOT a subject for open discussion on the Forum, but I would hope that a good explanation was provided and that some form of plan was put into place to both ensure that the correct and complete accounts for last year are made available as soon as possible and that there is not the same problem in future years.....? Bournemouth Accounts Eric has been in hospital of late and I am informed he is still not fully recovered, this has obviously had an effect on his ability to work. However it's a long time since last March. AEBBA Accounts I was very disappointed that the Treasurer was not at the annual meeting where budgetting decisions needed to be made. The accounts were fine, but there is too little time for Mark to produce them following the last competition before the AGM. My suggestion to the meeting was that the AEBBA financial year end must be brought forward or the AGM dropped back. There is a large turnover in the association now we run the tables and the accounts must be produced in time for them to be scrutineered before the AGM. I have suggested that independent examiners from the membership must be appointed by the AEBBA Committee. It is impossible to check the now complicated accounts at the AGM. It was also evident that not all Counties paid their affiliation fees last year. Sav
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 5, 2011 8:47:07 GMT
The biggest problem with all these competitions has been the dramatic drop in entries this year. The Post Office is a marvellous venue but cannot be expected to supply heating, lighting and staff for twenty or so people in the main hall. AEBBA communication depends on this forum and it is vitally important that our readers keep non members informed. Dave does not have the time and cannot be expected to post out ghard copies of entry forms. Post up the Newsletters and calendar from the AEBBA site in your pubs!! We will push competition dates on the News Fader on the top of the forum in future. Thanks for the update Sav, will look forward to seeing the Tournament dates once they have been released and will try to attend as many as we can.... as usual. 8-) Agree entirely that members of the Forum need to do as much as possible to inform players about ALL of the Tournaments and, hopefully, encourage more people to enter them. ;D
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 5, 2011 8:55:35 GMT
Surely, it should be a condition of the table hire that the hirers are available to receive the tables at the venue when they are delivered.... and collected. ::) Apart from obviously giving Dave (and Sam normally) help in unloading the tables, it would also raise the issue as to who would be responsible if any damage was found on the tables after they have been delivered if the hirers were not there to receive them....? :-/ Personally I told the meeting that, if there was no one there to assist and check in the tables upon deleivery he should turn around and go home. It was also evident that the delivery team allotment is not working well with Dave doing almost all of the deliveries and collections. This is partly self inflicted but there needs to be a relook at those who can help him and a roster agreed to lighten the load on Dave with the van being collected and returned to Reading. Volunters please let Dave know. It is also apparent that the van is causing a few problems mechanically and is in need of further work now. Its future may need to be looked at as soon as the table sponsors are paid back. Sav
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Post by milko on Dec 5, 2011 14:21:06 GMT
There are no proposals this year however there will be a discussion on whether or not the mixed pairs should become a ranking tournementPhil Hawkins will also enquire about a new competition I am sorry that we could not attend the AGM, due to long arranged family commitments. Were any decisions made about either the Mixed Pairs, or the possible new competition...? This was not discussed.
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Post by milko on Dec 5, 2011 14:56:08 GMT
I passed on the "apologies" to Dave because he hadn't seen them all and would like to say how shocked I was to see how few were there! That must be a record lowest attendance for any AEBBA AGM. ???
The two "Counties" that haven't paid their affiliation fees are Northants & Surrey!
I was also disappointed to hear Dave mention who the culprit was when he mentioned about not having anyone at the venue to help take in the tables. The table hirers must give Dave/Sam and his other assistants? all the help possible to make sure this doesn't happen again.
Keith
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Post by milhouse on Dec 5, 2011 15:47:06 GMT
AEBBA Accounts I was very disappointed that the Treasurer was not at the annual meeting where budgetting decisions needed to be made. The accounts were fine, but there is too little time for Mark to produce them following the last competition before the AGM. My suggestion to the meeting was that the AEBBA financial year end must be brought forward or the AGM dropped back. There is a large turnover in the association now we run the tables and the accounts must be produced in time for them to be scrutineered before the AGM. I have suggested that independent examiners from the membership must be appointed by the AEBBA Committee. It is impossible to check the now complicated accounts at the AGM. It was also evident that not all Counties paid their affiliation fees last year. Sav I am not sure if Dave explained the reasoning behind me not being at the AGM yesterday, but as i am obviously receiving some stick on here for not being there, i will respond. My Mum is fairly seriously ill in hospital, so as you can imagine, attending an AGM is nowhere near the top of my priority list! If anyone has a problem with me not attending or how i am doing things, then i am quite willing to stand down and let someone else take over. Mark (Former?!) AEBBA Treasurer
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Post by Colemanator on Dec 5, 2011 17:16:28 GMT
The two "Counties" that haven't paid their affiliation fees are Northants & Surrey! i'll have a word tonight.
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Post by NigelS on Dec 5, 2011 19:19:05 GMT
There are no proposals this year however there will be a discussion on whether or not the mixed pairs should become a ranking tournement This was not discussed. Regarding the mixed pairs becoming a ranking tournament, I will be discussing this with the ranking committee in the new year. The AEBBA appointed the ranking committee three years ago and we do review the system every year. I will invite comment on the forum by starting a thread so that people have 3 or 4 weeks to make any comment re the mixed pairs or any other ranking points questions they wish to raise. I will also publish revised ranking system details so everyone can see what the system currently is and it will take care of any tweaks that have been made due to changes in tournament formats (Jersey & county champs being 2 for example)
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 5, 2011 23:19:31 GMT
2012 dates are on the website also a nice printable card dave has produced
Sav
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 6, 2011 0:43:28 GMT
Good work Dave, think the printable card is a great idea.... 8-) 2012 dates are on the website also a nice printable card dave has produced Sav Only one thing that I noticed.... it was recently announced that the dates for Jersey next year have been changed.... ::) quote author=secretary board=jerseyworld thread=11171 post=91817 time=1322680976]All, I'm pleased to confirm that the 2012 World Championship shall be held over the weekend of Friday 9th, Saturday 10th & Sunday 11th November 2012. This is a slight change to what we initially announced due to School half term. The venue shall once again be The Merton Hotel, St Helier. Room rates for the weekend shall be available from March 2012 If you have any further questions at this time, please let me know and we once again look forward to seeing you. Let the organisation begin........................ Sean Tournament Director[/quote] Which means that the new dates for Jersey would now clash with the proposed weekend for the AEBBA Team Championships and Special Ladies Competition.... so I assume that this date may have to change? With regards to the proposed date for Mixed Pairs, Over 50's and Over 60's.... could I humbly suggest that Sunday 28th October 2012 will be during the school half-term holidays and that some people may not be available at that time due to this... :'( The weekend before may therefore be a better alternative for these competitions.... :-/
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Post by SirKT on Dec 6, 2011 5:38:58 GMT
It seems that nobody else has noticed that the dates printed for some of next year`s Opens are incorrect. Dave has used this year`s dates :P
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 6, 2011 7:10:21 GMT
I'll change the Jersey date and can organisers post dates of other opens please?
This has the knck-on that the Team Championships / Special ladies will need to be altered. I'll pm Dave/Nigel.
Sav
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Post by barbelman on Dec 6, 2011 10:08:33 GMT
AEBBA Accounts I was very disappointed that the Treasurer was not at the annual meeting where budgetting decisions needed to be made. The accounts were fine, but there is too little time for Mark to produce them following the last competition before the AGM. My suggestion to the meeting was that the AEBBA financial year end must be brought forward or the AGM dropped back. There is a large turnover in the association now we run the tables and the accounts must be produced in time for them to be scrutineered before the AGM. I have suggested that independent examiners from the membership must be appointed by the AEBBA Committee. It is impossible to check the now complicated accounts at the AGM. It was also evident that not all Counties paid their affiliation fees last year. Sav I am not sure if Dave explained the reasoning behind me not being at the AGM yesterday, but as i am obviously receiving some stick on here for not being there, i will respond. My Mum is fairly seriously ill in hospital, so as you can imagine, attending an AGM is nowhere near the top of my priority list! If anyone has a problem with me not attending or how i am doing things, then i am quite willing to stand down and let someone else take over. Mark (Former?!) AEBBA Treasurer Hi Mark I don't see any criticism there - just the opposite, I think Sav was sympathising with the fact that you have very little time after the last AEBBA tournament or sufficient information from third parties to produce a complete and up-to-date balance sheet, given the complexity of the job these days. If the AGM were a couple months later it would allow you that time to chase up the final items for inclusion. My best wishes to your mum and I hope all goes well for you both. cheers Tony
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Post by milko on Dec 6, 2011 14:07:22 GMT
It seems that nobody else has noticed that the dates printed for some of next year`s Opens are incorrect. Dave has used this year`s dates :P My wife Lin noticed it yesterday and contacted Dave about it.
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