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Post by peetee on Feb 20, 2012 18:50:56 GMT
Thank you everyone for your support this year and a special thank you to Tony Willis for his help in running the tournament. Also a big thank you to Pete & Marianne for an excellent job on the raffle.
Thanks to Tookey & Milko for helping me assemble the tables in the morning.( Milko never set up the tables by the way ;D) and to Dave & Sam Alder who worked hard in transporting the tables into the hall.
We were two entries up on last year (Paying) but a little disappointed that 9 players had to drop out which couldn't be helped.
The full results will be put on the site shortly.
Here is a quick look at the winners.
Winner Phil Collins
R/U Steven Sheard
Semi Finalist Nigel Senior..Tony Martin
1/4 Finalist Dave Ingram, Mark Brewster, Geoff Powell, Bill Kerr.
Plate Winner Barry Radford
Plate R/U Bert Lovegrove
Men's Highest Break Phil Collins 19690
Ladies Highest Break Pauline Withey 5290
Furthest Lady.. Pauline Withey & Colleen Park
The Club is unfortunately being pulled down shortly so I don't know at the moment where next years venue is going to be.
Thank you everyone again.
Cheers
Peetee
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Post by milko on Feb 21, 2012 13:45:04 GMT
Here is a quick look at the winners. Winner Phil Collins R/U Steven Sheard Semi Finalist Nigel Senior..Tony Martin 1/4 Finalist Dave Ingram, Mark Brewster, Geoff Powell, Bill Kerr. Plate Winner Barry Radford Plate R/U Bert Lovegrove Men's Highest Break Phil Collins 19690 Ladies Highest Break Pauline Withey 5290 Furthest Lady...We may have had it wrong..Was it Pauline or Colleen?Pauline lost her 1st match in the 2nd Rd but Chrissie Newson & Jenny Parsons were also in the 2nd Rd, so how was it worked out ? Did Colleen win her 1st Rd match to make it four ladies in the running for the trophy ? I'm lost!!! :-/ |
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Post by barbelman on Feb 21, 2012 15:15:53 GMT
Sigh... ;D ;D
All four ladies lost in the second round but Pauline had the highest losing score amongst them. You have to apply some sort of criterion to separate them or not award 'furthest lady' at all.
cheers
Tony
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Feb 21, 2012 17:30:50 GMT
Here is a quick look at the winners. Winner Phil Collins R/U Steven Sheard Semi Finalist Nigel Senior..Tony Martin 1/4 Finalist Dave Ingram, Mark Brewster, Geoff Powell, Bill Kerr. Plate Winner Barry Radford Plate R/U Bert Lovegrove Men's Highest Break Phil Collins 19690 suppose its "another day in paradise" for Phil Collins ::) |
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Post by peetee on Feb 21, 2012 17:46:54 GMT
Sigh... ;D ;D All four ladies lost in the second round but Pauline had the highest losing score amongst them. You have to apply some sort of criterion to separate them or not award 'furthest lady' at all. cheers Tony Perhaps we can make it a little clearer next time, if we still have this award.It was a shame that 4 ladies had to drop out which left us with 5?. Pete |
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Post by barbelman on Feb 21, 2012 18:06:30 GMT
Sigh... ;D ;D All four ladies lost in the second round but Pauline had the highest losing score amongst them. You have to apply some sort of criterion to separate them or not award 'furthest lady' at all. cheers Tony What a shame that Colleen didn't have the luxury of a bye in the first round.... then when she WON her game she would have been through to a round after the other Ladies. :P No disrespect meant to the organisers, who clearly had to make some sort of decision on the day, but it's the first time that I have ever heard of a trophy being awarded for a higher losing score in preference to somebody who won a game..... :o :-X On that basis, I assume that congratulations should really be offered to SirKT, who surely must have actually won the Oxon Open during his narrow defeat to Phil Collins if you apply the same logic..... ::) ;D ;D ;D I think there may be a small clue in the title of the award Dave....it's not the 'lady with most wins' but 'the lady who goes furthest' (as it were ;)). I'm sure it doesn't worry either Colleen or Pauline so I don't know why we're banging on about it really... ;D ;D cheers Tony |
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Post by barbelman on Feb 21, 2012 18:27:44 GMT
..and anyway I should have won the award as I got to Round Three and I was playing like a girl's blouse...oh! perhaps that doesn't count? ;D ;D
cheers
Tony
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Post by barbelman on Feb 21, 2012 19:18:47 GMT
There is actually no need to be rude in an open discussion, Dave...
It's a moot point and we'll leave it at that.
regards
Tony
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2012 23:50:19 GMT
Sigh... ;D ;D All four ladies lost in the second round but Pauline had the highest losing score amongst them. You have to apply some sort of criterion to separate them or not award 'furthest lady' at all. cheers Tony Before this gets lost in an attempt to gloss over it, tommo's going to have his two-penn'orth. And I feel qualified to comment after being out of pocket over a similar incident - Bucks 2007: A 'furthest lady' trophy was billed in the programme, and a very tearful Josie Pitt who'd got to the Last 16 of the Main wasn't presented with one. I felt so sorry for her that I commissioned one for her. There has to be some consistency here. In the World Championships for instance, the ladies readily accept that any high break awards are earned in the Main Competition - the Plate doesn't count for diddley. Likewise I've never heard of a Furthest Lady award in any of the Opens which I've been going to in the last 7 years going to someone in the Plate (no offence, Pauline). In this case, Colleen won a match and proceeded in the Main Competition, which none of the other ladies did. She fell at the next hurdle but didn't go into the Plate. She was therefore unequivocably Furthest Lady, and at the very least deserves an apology from the organizers. >:( |
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Post by milko on Feb 22, 2012 5:50:09 GMT
Likewise I've never heard of a Furthest Lady award in any of the Opens which I've been going to in the last 7 years going to someone in the Plate (no offence, Pauline). In this case, Colleen won a match and proceeded in the Main Competition, which none of the other ladies did. She fell at the next hurdle but didn't go into the Plate. She was therefore unequivocably Furthest Lady, and at the very least deserves an apology from the organizers. >:( I agree with tommo, so, can we put this to bed, by saying that Pauline is quite willing to give back the prize to Colleen BUT in my opinion as the decision was made on the day to give it the way it was, another chq & trophy should be donated by the organizers out of the Oxon Open funds to Colleen. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Feb 22, 2012 8:12:38 GMT
There is actually no need to be rude in an open discussion, Dave... It's a moot point and we'll leave it at that. regards Tony Please accept my apologies if my previous comments caused offence Tony.... I have now removed them as clearly I had misunderstood the basis on which the trophy for furthest lady would be awarded. Although, as pointed out by others, there are precedents that indicate that this is not usually the way in which this type of trophy is awarded, I fully accept that the tournament organisers have every right to make any decision that they feel is correct on the day. |
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Post by barbelman on Feb 22, 2012 8:41:18 GMT
It's a moot point and we'll leave it at that. regards Tony Please accept my apologies if my previous comments caused offence Tony.... I have now removed them as clearly I had misunderstood the basis on which the trophy for furthest lady would be awarded. Although, as pointed out by others, there are precedents that indicate that this is not usually the way in which this type of trophy is awarded, I fully accept that the tournament organisers have every right to make any decision that they feel is correct on the day. Thank you for the gracious reply David. Please be assured that it was never out intention to upset Colleen in any way, she is a lovely person and a great supporter of bar billiards and, while I can't speak for Pete, I do offer my personal and unreserved apologies for any distress that our decision caused her. It's a steep learning curve running these competitions as you only get one shot at it each year and sometimes you have to make decisions 'on-the-fly' but please be confident that all such anomalies will be ironed out in the future.... regards Tony |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 9:32:20 GMT
I'm relieved if this one can indeed be put to bed. :)
And I realise that organizing an Open with all the effort involved can sometimes be a thankless task, and Barbelman has oft referenced Abe Lincoln's quote "You can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time." ;)
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Post by peetee on Feb 27, 2012 22:15:00 GMT
Now that we have all settled down I have decided to purchase another trophy (Furthest Lady) to Colleen.
Cheers
Pete
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Post by peetee on Mar 7, 2012 18:41:52 GMT
Now that we have all settled down I have decided to purchase another trophy (Furthest Lady) to Colleen. Cheers Pete Picked up the trophy today and will be presented to Colleen at Bournmouth this weekend. Pete |
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Post by Chris on Mar 8, 2012 20:47:54 GMT
What a well discussed outcome.
Both Pauline and Coleen are great supporters and champions of Bar Billiards and both are great supporters of us as players.
Both have given me strength to win in times of doubt and both have done this even if it has meant I might play them later.
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2012 20:58:31 GMT
Hear, hear, good to see a happy ending. Great kudos to the Oxon organisers.
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Post by peetee on Mar 8, 2012 23:24:05 GMT
Ok folks that's it see you next year.
Pete
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Post by DA-DM on Mar 11, 2012 18:15:58 GMT
Thank you very much Pete, and thank you Tony Willis for my presentation ! xx Thank you all that made the 'fuss' on my behalf. I was overlooked - it happens - such is life ! I will have to play better next time and get recognised !!
Thanks again all xx
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