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Post by colinm on Apr 18, 2012 12:07:04 GMT
I have decided to open up a thread for proposals for the next AGM scheduled for Monday June 11th at The Portcullis club the meeting will start at 8.00pm.
If any of you have proposals for changes to the league format, competitions etc please feel free to post them here and provided they are seconded then these will be added to agenda for discussion on Monday 11th June. Please note that all proposals must be received no later than 7 days before the meeting.
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Post by colinm on May 18, 2012 12:32:40 GMT
I have received a few proposals for the AGM away from the forum and I will put these on the forum over the weekend, anyone wishing to have their say at the AGM needs to come along to do it, I know there have been lots of comments about the league this year but if people have something to say the time to do it is at the AGM on Monday 11/6/12 at the Portcullis Club.
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Post by colinm on Jun 9, 2012 15:55:45 GMT
Proposals that we have for the Wallingford AGM on Monday 11/6/12 at the Portcullis Club Wallingford to start at 7.30pm.
1 If two teams are tied on points the league will be decided by a play-off between the two teams involved. 2 All competitions to be redrawn after each round. 3 To withdraw the Sports Knockout cup. 4 To amend the Sports Knockout cup to be played on neutral tables rather than the two leg system currently in place. 5 Re-introduce the lowest league knockout when at least 3 leagues are run. 6 First round of all competitions to be played on play by dates. 7 All teams to play each other 3 times with the extra set of matches played on neutral tables. 8 To reduce teams to 3 a side with matches consisting of 3 singles legs and 2 triples legs. 9 To reduce teams to 4 a side with matches consisting of 4 singles and 1 doubles.
There are potentially some major changes to the league format, I hope as many people as possible attend to give their thoughts and opinions.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jun 12, 2012 17:37:32 GMT
How did it go colin? I would of come had i not finishrd work.late
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Post by colinm on Apr 6, 2013 13:15:57 GMT
The 2013 AGM will be held on Monday 3/6/13 at the portcullis club commencing at 8.00pm, I would like to encourage as many people to attend as possible and would encourage people to make proposals via this thread for consideration at the AGM.
The first proposal proposed by me and seconded by Tony Martin is that we extend the 4 player rule to both hame and away games meaning that a player can be used for the 4 player rule at home and then again away.
I would also welcome suggestions for the position of secretary and other positions on the committee for those interested in having a go, as I will not be standing for the position of secretary at the next AGM.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 7, 2013 21:53:39 GMT
How about introducing an inter committee competition like they do in the oxford league, in thinking of putting myself forward for the committee amd think thatd be a good bit of fun
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Post by colinm on Apr 12, 2013 12:11:20 GMT
How about introducing an inter committee competition like they do in the oxford league, in thinking of putting myself forward for the committee amd think thatd be a good bit of fun Sounds like a good idea, but this doesn't need to be agreed at the AGM this can be a committee decision, if anyone has any thoughts for the AGM please add them here.
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Post by craig mace on Apr 13, 2013 8:59:42 GMT
How about introducing an inter committee competition like they do in the oxford league, in thinking of putting myself forward for the committee amd think thatd be a good bit of fun Sounds like a good idea, but this doesn't need to be agreed at the AGM this can be a committee decision, if anyone has any thoughts for the AGM please add them here. I would like to propose a change on the 4 break rule. i would propose to change it so premier section teams get the normal 3 breaks on an away table with the home team getting 2 breaks but when the premier section team are at home keep it so they get 1 break giving the lower section team an advantage at the premier teams home table.
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Post by colinm on Apr 15, 2013 12:14:03 GMT
Hi Craig, that's great but it will need to be seconded by someone and you must be at the AGM to discuss the point. That goes for all proposals.
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Post by craig mace on Apr 16, 2013 19:58:43 GMT
Colin can i also propose that instead of each player being graded on teams and sections they play in how about each player having there own individual grading for example a weak section 1 player could be graded at rank B where as a top section 1 player would be graded at rank A opening more competition slots for the weak premier players that don't fit in the A single comps etc.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 16, 2013 20:30:08 GMT
Sounds like a good idea, but this doesn't need to be agreed at the AGM this can be a committee decision, if anyone has any thoughts for the AGM please add them here. I would like to propose a change on the 4 break rule. i would propose to change it so premier section teams get the normal 3 breaks on an away table with the home team getting 2 breaks but when the premier section team are at home keep it so they get 1 break giving the lower section team an advantage at the premier teams home table. I will second this one, on the basis itd benefit me next season ;D
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 16, 2013 20:31:52 GMT
Colin can i also propose that instead of each player being graded on teams and sections they play in how about each player having there own individual grading for example a weak section 1 player could be graded at rank B where as a top section 1 player would be graded at rank A opening more competition slots for the weak premier players that don't fit in the A single comps etc. I will second this ome too, itd be a good idea to use the last season averages as a berometer of the system
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Post by ruby on Apr 17, 2013 12:27:07 GMT
sorry i dont know how to do the quotes, but as i am unable to go to this years AGM i would like to put my thoughts about the seconded proposals so far .the change to the 4 player rule ,im all for it .Grading for competitions again all for it . the change to the 4 break rule ,totally against, its a backward step ,very few results are affected by the advantage given to the section 2 teams .With so few teams now playing in our league and giving the section 1 teams the chance to beat me at home before i even get a shot will not encourage me to continue playing ,even with the break most section 2 players cannot win the game in one visit (with the exception of a few who we all know) but most section 1 players can .we dont have the scope to grade the teams as they do so well in the Oxford league ,because we have far fewer teams .The top teams league placings do not seem to be affected by this rule so why change it.
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Post by colinm on Apr 17, 2013 12:28:55 GMT
Colin can i also propose that instead of each player being graded on teams and sections they play in how about each player having there own individual grading for example a weak section 1 player could be graded at rank B where as a top section 1 player would be graded at rank A opening more competition slots for the weak premier players that don't fit in the A single comps etc. I will second this ome too, itd be a good idea to use the last season averages as a berometer of the system This is true but given the current format this could also give a misleading picture based on the number of breaks individuals have had. An approach could be to use the away averages? Do I get the impression you are moving teams then Phil?
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 17, 2013 18:56:16 GMT
I will second this ome too, itd be a good idea to use the last season averages as a berometer of the system This is true but given the current format this could also give a misleading picture based on the number of breaks individuals have had. An approach could be to use the away averages? Do I get the impression you are moving teams then Phil? Apparently thats the plan colin ;D now you mention it away averages would make sense given its a bigger test of skill
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Post by colinm on Apr 18, 2013 12:42:32 GMT
Sounds like a good idea, but this doesn't need to be agreed at the AGM this can be a committee decision, if anyone has any thoughts for the AGM please add them here. I would like to propose a change on the 4 break rule. i would propose to change it so premier section teams get the normal 3 breaks on an away table with the home team getting 2 breaks but when the premier section team are at home keep it so they get 1 break giving the lower section team an advantage at the premier teams home table. Before I start I mean no offence to any individuals whatsoever! Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the issue here revolves around effectively good B team players who play for A teams and the difficulty in making the transition from section 2 to section 1? As I see it there are 2 possible solutions: 1. We could alter the breaks to give section 1 teams 2 or 3 breaks away from home? As opposed to the 1 break they currently have. However there is no guarantee that these newly promoted section 2 players will benefit from this as it comes down to the luck of the draw as to who benefits/or doesn't benefit from the break. 2. The simplest option which would be to ensure that people play in the appropriate section for them at the time and I would suggest that it would be better if we had a true reflection of section 1 and 2 teams, some teams have far more people signed on than they need to field a team each week and it would make more sense from a league perspective to have an additional team in the league rather than a team consisting of 12 or 13 people, which is a mixture of those who would under other circumstances represent both section 1 and section 2. At the end of the day we need to be fair to all players of all abilities and find the best solution for all, we can't please everyone all of the time. All thoughts are welcome as it is great to discuss these ideas ahead of the AGM as any suggestions can be tweaked to ensure the best proposal is put forward, they are less likely to be dismissed then to. ;)
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Post by BigPhilMac on Apr 18, 2013 20:19:36 GMT
I would like to propose a change on the 4 break rule. i would propose to change it so premier section teams get the normal 3 breaks on an away table with the home team getting 2 breaks but when the premier section team are at home keep it so they get 1 break giving the lower section team an advantage at the premier teams home table. Before I start I mean no offence to any individuals whatsoever! Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the issue here revolves around effectively good B team players who play for A teams and the difficulty in making the transition from section 2 to section 1? As I see it there are 2 possible solutions: 1. We could alter the breaks to give section 1 teams 2 or 3 breaks away from home? As opposed to the 1 break they currently have. However there is no guarantee that these newly promoted section 2 players will benefit from this as it comes down to the luck of the draw as to who benefits/or doesn't benefit from the break. 2. The simplest option which would be to ensure that people play in the appropriate section for them at the time and I would suggest that it would be better if we had a true reflection of section 1 and 2 teams, some teams have far more people signed on than they need to field a team each week and it would make more sense from a league perspective to have an additional team in the league rather than a team consisting of 12 or 13 people, which is a mixture of those who would under other circumstances represent both section 1 and section 2. At the end of the day we need to be fair to all players of all abilities and find the best solution for all, we can't please everyone all of the time. All thoughts are welcome as it is great to discuss these ideas ahead of the AGM as any suggestions can be tweaked to ensure the best proposal is put forward, they are less likely to be dismissed then to. ;) Maybe thats the solution, encouraging teams to set up B sides or encourage unused players who wouldnt mind playing regularly could go to a pub or club with a table, i can think of a few venues that are unused in the wallingford league which im sure owners would be more than happy to accommodate. I think the main issue isnt as black or white as one might think, i think if you go to the Masons for example who on paper have a strong side and you have to give them 4 breaks, it can be incredibly hard to peg them back, god knows its hard enough with three breaks, particularly in my experience lol but if you get more teams made from players left over as you mentioned colin then we can potentially have more sections where the teams are graded accordingly.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 11, 2013 20:36:56 GMT
Im not entirely sure this is something that would go through the agm but, im going to propose a shake up of the comittee. By this i mean that rather than the secretary be lumbered with everything which has led to colin unfortunately stating he wishes to relinquish the role which is a tremendous shame and hopefully he chamges his mind. Therefore i think its high time that we start introducing under sevretaries to organise certain aspects of the league under the supervision of the league secretary. In a way copying the oxford league. As ive never been on any kind of committee i dont know all the aspects to be dealt with, but i think whats needed is a competition secretary, a treasurer (correct me if there is one), if theres any other positions that could be covered could a potential seconder back me up with any ideas to add to this. We cant have another situation like this season when the secretary loses patience and chucks it in. Hopefully no one hears the rattle of the guillotine at the thought of revolution ;D ;D ;D
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Post by craig mace on May 11, 2013 21:27:22 GMT
Im not entirely sure this is something that would go through the agm but, im going to propose a shake up of the comittee. By this i mean that rather than the secretary be lumbered with everything which has led to colin unfortunately stating he wishes to relinquish the role which is a tremendous shame and hopefully he chamges his mind. Therefore i think its high time that we start introducing under sevretaries to organise certain aspects of the league under the supervision of the league secretary. In a way copying the oxford league. As ive never been on any kind of committee i dont know all the aspects to be dealt with, but i think whats needed is a competition secretary, a treasurer (correct me if there is one), if theres any other positions that could be covered could a potential seconder back me up with any ideas to add to this. We cant have another situation like this season when the secretary loses patience and chucks it in. Hopefully no one hears the rattle of the guillotine at the thought of revolution ;D ;D ;D I will second this also an auditor or 2 would not go a miss.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 0:30:35 GMT
i propose craig mace as league secretary and bigphilmac as competition secretary. Any seconders?
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Post by craig mace on May 12, 2013 7:45:40 GMT
i propose craig mace as league secretary and bigphilmac as competition secretary. Any seconders? I propose lewisstratz AGM comedian seconders please :D :-X ;)
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 12, 2013 9:32:58 GMT
i propose craig mace as league secretary and bigphilmac as competition secretary. Any seconders? I propose lewisstratz AGM comedian seconders please :D :-X ;) Seconded ;D
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Post by ruby on May 14, 2013 23:33:00 GMT
Just a couple of points I would wish to suggest ,and if anyone agrees could propose them for discussion at the AGM 1. Result cards .It is the responsibility of the home captain to provide a score card for games draw ,and it is the winning captains responsibility to post the result card immediately after the game ,the penalty for late result cards (more than seven days after the match )will be a one point deduction.
2.All competition matches that are play by date must be played by then or the secretary informed as to reason why this is not the case .Failure to comply with this rule will mean both players /teams will be disqualified. All team captains should inform there team mates of their competition draws ,not being notified by your captain is not an excuse.
I can understand Colins frustration this year with late result cards and delayed competition games and hope this may solve a couple of this years problems,hopefully colin may consider his position if his hands were not tied .
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 14, 2013 23:36:51 GMT
Just a couple of points I would wish to suggest ,and if anyone agrees could propose them for discussion at the AGM 1. Result cards .It is the responsibility of the home captain to provide a score card for games draw ,and it is the winning captains responsibility to post the result card immediately after the game ,the penalty for late result cards (more than seven days after the match )will be a one point deduction. 2.All competition matches that are play by date must be played by then or the secretary informed as to reason why this is not the case .Failure to comply with this rule will mean both players /teams will be disqualified. All team captains should inform there team mates of their competition draws ,not being notified by your captain is not an excuse. I can understand Colins frustration this year with late result cards and delayed competition games and hope this may solve a couple of this years problems,hopefully colin may consider his position if his hands were not tied . In theory arthur i would of thought that number 2 was already in place. I suppose if colin hadnt extended dates we wouldnt of had any competitions in the first place! This is why we need a competition secretary to take responsibility for making sure everything is done in good time and what not rather than the secretary get all the stick! Hence my proposal ;D
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Post by ruby on May 15, 2013 13:04:16 GMT
Phil I can't see the point of a competition secretary when all draws are done at committee meetings,the problem is games not played on time and then having to fit them in all at once,or results not sent to the secretary. Whats needed is an enforcible ruling that stops this happening or the next secretary will have the same problems.
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Post by colinm on May 17, 2013 12:29:18 GMT
The problems with running the league and competitions comes down to people simply not playing games by the due date and notifying the secretary of the results of league and competition matches. I do not see that adding additional members to the committee will help, all that is required is for all team captains to ensure that all results are submitted as and when they should be. I believe that we had similar problems in previous years when competitions were played on play by dates?
The draws are all competitions are posted on the forum and I believe all teams have access to the forum? Competitions were emailed to all teams during the season and with a couple of exceptions we are almost there now with the competitions. I believe what the league needs now is a secretary with more time to devote to chasing people, someone who is more local to the league location and the venues and a little increased co-operation from those people playing in the league.
I believe that one of the issues this year has been the lack of Mondays available for competitions and I would suggest that an extra couple of dates should be made available next year, failing this let us decide in advance that competitions should be played on different night of the week and then schedule these into the league calendar? What about Fridays?
I would propose that we should cease the Summer league and simply extend the Winter league to start a couple of weeks earlier - any seconders? The Summer league is almost a non event these days and hinders the start of the Winter league.
I would urge all those wishing to have a voice to join the committee and get involved, at least turn up for the AGM on Monday 3/6 at the Portcullis to say what you think, the numbers at the last AGM were almost non existent and if people don't get involved then very soon there won't be a league at all.
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Post by craig mace on May 17, 2013 16:53:37 GMT
The problems with running the league and competitions comes down to people simply not playing games by the due date and notifying the secretary of the results of league and competition matches. I do not see that adding additional members to the committee will help, all that is required is for all team captains to ensure that all results are submitted as and when they should be. I believe that we had similar problems in previous years when competitions were played on play by dates? The draws are all competitions are posted on the forum and I believe all teams have access to the forum? Competitions were emailed to all teams during the season and with a couple of exceptions we are almost there now with the competitions. I believe what the league needs now is a secretary with more time to devote to chasing people, someone who is more local to the league location and the venues and a little increased co-operation from those people playing in the league. I believe that one of the issues this year has been the lack of Mondays available for competitions and I would suggest that an extra couple of dates should be made available next year, failing this let us decide in advance that competitions should be played on different night of the week and then schedule these into the league calendar? What about Fridays? I would propose that we should cease the Summer league and simply extend the Winter league to start a couple of weeks earlier - any seconders? The Summer league is almost a non event these days and hinders the start of the Winter league.I would urge all those wishing to have a voice to join the committee and get involved, at least turn up for the AGM on Monday 3/6 at the Portcullis to say what you think, the numbers at the last AGM were almost non existent and if people don't get involved then very soon there won't be a league at all. Seconded
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 17:24:06 GMT
It's gonna be a really couple of busy agm's for you two ::)
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Post by ruby on May 17, 2013 21:43:43 GMT
I would much prefer a shorter winter league than to do away with the summer league ,its a time for new and improving players for much needed match practice without the pressure of gaining league points,they might not get the opportunity in a winter league match. Do we have to play each other 4 times ? could we not find a formula to play each other 3 times and free up 7 weeks, ample time to fit in the competitions on a Monday night.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 17, 2013 21:46:19 GMT
It's gonna be a really couple of busy agm's for you two ::) Now now ;)
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