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Post by Sav on Sept 25, 2019 7:57:30 GMT
First match was played on the table last evening and the rings basically did as the originals would have. They possibly grab a lipping ball a tiny bit more than the old ones but they are fine. Scores were normal in our singles and 2k limit pairs. www.barbilliardsdd.co.uk/results/1920/MATCH1.HTMJust need to see if there are any resilience problems now and I think the project will be complete. |
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Post by The Bullet on Sept 25, 2019 19:51:13 GMT
Hi Sav, nice job with the rings.
Would it be possible to have a copy of the CAD file?
Which 3D printer do you use?
Bob
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Post by Sav on Sept 28, 2019 9:02:55 GMT
Cheers Bob,
I have passed your question on, but I will be offline for a few days from Monday.
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Post by Sav on Nov 23, 2020 20:18:42 GMT
3D pocket rings CAD file.
I think I've only been asked for the file a couple of times and those people I have contacted.
If you do have a copy of our .stl file for 3D printing of pocket rings then sorry but we have discovered a small problem with the copy that went out.
I will advise when this is resolved.
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Post by Sav on Jan 11, 2022 12:55:03 GMT
To resurrect this after a considerable gap, thanks to Jon I have what should be the correct 3D printing file.
I'm having one printed locally to check against the set I have and to make sure there are no problems in porting the file.
If all is successful I'll post a link to the 3D printers and step back.
Anyone interested?
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 12, 2022 13:53:56 GMT
The unique Sam's table at the five bells in cornard is up for sale, due to the pub being sold and redeveloped (into flats)
that table has easy drop pockets, so may interest Taffy
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Post by Sav on Jan 12, 2022 18:17:47 GMT
The unique Sam's table at the five bells in cornard is up for sale, due to the pub being sold and redeveloped (into flats) that table has easy drop pockets, so may interest Taffy Be nice to have a picture of a 'unique' table if not too late. |
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Post by daveuk1 on Jan 13, 2022 8:02:25 GMT
The unique Sam's table at the five bells in cornard is up for sale, due to the pub being sold and redeveloped (into flats) that table has easy drop pockets, so may interest Taffy Be nice to have a picture of a 'unique' table if not too late. Wouldn't think the table has been sold yet as pub isn't due to shut for a few weeks yet and when I asked they wanted over two grand for it. So may be a quick trip up there in march so you can see it yourself, I know John Slee was really impressed by it 😁 |
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Post by taffy on Jan 13, 2022 11:35:48 GMT
The unique Sam's table at the five bells in cornard is up for sale, due to the pub being sold and redeveloped (into flats) that table has easy drop pockets, so may interest Taffy I've already placed a bid Dave. It is the same as my Blue one Chris but green cloth. Easydrop, beading, pre-WW2, cues in the end (i think). She says it is mint but the last time I saw it, it was so dreadful i pleaded with DL & Sudbury to refurb it for her as it was probably beyond her pocket and get her back in the league. She tells me that she had two teams at one time but after marrying (an Asian husband) the players left the pub. It is there till September she thinks. Taffy |
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Post by Sav on Jan 17, 2022 13:03:26 GMT
Well we appear to be 'go' at last, all credit to Jon B. for the CAD file.
The sample has been produced by SurfaceScan at Ramsgate and has come out very well, as fine a quality print as first set which is not a bad thing as less ridging. They are currently quoting £42.50 for a set of nine including postage. The rings are virtually identical to a typical rubbed down set in the normal mainland bar billiards table 62.5mm OD 48.5mm ID with and almost identical profile. The difference being these have the treads on the outside of the ring to grip the cloth and slide less than the rubbed down rings on most tables. They are also more consistently made than the old injection moulded fings, and far nearer the originals than the only oversize Peradon rings on the market.
They 'may' be a tiny bit more forgiving but I am not sure, but the balls drop in a very similar manner to what we are used to. These will fit almost all mainland tables as far as I can tell (no guarantee implied) If the holes have been reemed out to fit the old rings as supplied then these are too small, but that is very rare. There are one or two minor imperfections on the prototype which will sand out easily.
For Channel Island tables the print file would need the hole throat widening a bit to make the balls drop quicker.
Initially they are only available in the colur shown, but if interst os there then burgundy could be added. I'll have a set with me at Sudbury in March
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Post by Dave J on Jan 19, 2022 13:05:48 GMT
I've just stumbled upon this thread and thought I'd offer my services. Some 12 years ago I did model up the Jersey rings and machined a set for Nigel.  At the same time I got a cost to make a tool to have them produced in original Bakelite. Just looking it up, and the quote was 12 years ago, it was £2000 tooling, parts ranged from £3 each for MOQ 500 to £10 each for MOQ 30 pieces These prices are well out of date but might give you an idea of what else can be done. I also modeled the ribbed pocket. I still have an original.  I've not modeled the UK version but it would not be difficult. I can also 3D scan parts if needed. There are also other methods of producing these parts which you might want to consider depending on quality, feel and costs. Anyways, that's what I've done and happy to help or assist if needed with machining, 3D cad, scanning, printing etc.. |
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Post by Sav on Jan 19, 2022 15:16:34 GMT
Gordon Bennett! is it 12 years ago!
I remember the Jersey rings, you gave me one, looked very good.
Bob Chapple would probably be interested in Channel Isles rings.
Re Mainland rings we have a 3D print file for that as you can see. If you want to do it again then the mainland rings do vary a lot and the OD needs trimming down to avoid sanding them and keeping the grippers for the cloth.
Only cost implication for 3D is printing, which gives an acceptable finish, though not glossy. I only see the occasional demand so don't see the need for getting tools made.
If you have a 3D printer that will print fine enough and want the trouble then the print file is available to anyone without charge, if its cheaper than our quote then brilliant.
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Post by Dave J on Jan 19, 2022 15:47:31 GMT
I didn't believe it was 12 years either.
I don't have any particular need at the movement for rings but thought I'd offer my services if it helps.
If you want to consider alternatives to filament printing them, take a look at 3dprint-uk.co.uk where you can upload the .stl file and get and instant quote. They will also supply polished and coloured. I use them for work.
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Post by Sav on Jan 21, 2022 9:29:21 GMT
Tried 3dprint-uk.co.uk for a quote and they were over twice the prcie of SurfaceScan at Ramsgate.
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Post by Dave J on Jan 21, 2022 16:33:14 GMT
I didn't say they were cheaper.
I assume the parts you had made were by filament printing (FDM) in PLA or PETG etc.
SLS is a completely different process but the quality, accuracy and materials properties are different. It depends what people are looking for and was only suggested so people are aware there are alternatives. If you compare SLS models from 3Dprint to Surfacescan then it would be a like for like comparison, although when I tried, Surfacescan didn't offer SLS as an option, only SLA or FDM.
If people are happy with FDM made parts then that's fine. Horse for courses.
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Post by Sav on Jan 21, 2022 22:13:30 GMT
Hi Dave,
Yes the quote and prototype were for filament printing, the results of which I have now seen.
I cannot say I understand the rest of the terminology, the other option I talked to them about was 'resin bath'?? where the item is built from the bottom in the bath via UV light rather than building up the top as in filament. The suggested price for that was about four times the price of filament but the finish would have been better. I thought the high price excluded that option.
I've done what I can as a catalyst, the rings are now available.
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Post by Dave J on Jan 22, 2022 7:18:15 GMT
No problem Chris. If you wanted to know more about the differences I'd be happy to explain sometime.
But, as you say you've now got a working option so thank you. So on to the next problem.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind a copy of the stl or whatever format file you have.
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Post by Sav on Mar 11, 2022 13:52:03 GMT
First set have arrived from Surface Scan, they will need just a very light sanding I feel, as a couple of minor bits of swarf.
I'll bring them up to Sudbury in two weeks time.
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