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Post by peetee on Sept 1, 2012 17:02:51 GMT
Premier Section
Didcot CC
Kennington
Vikings
Comrades
Sect 1
Masons A
Masons B
Democrats
Berinsfield
Sect 2
Glad's A
Glad's B
Dolphin
HCC
Marlborough
No Sect 3 this season.
Premier & Sect 2 will play each other 4 times and also will play Sect 1 teams home & Away as well.....20 matches.
Sect 1 will play home & away (once) as usual plus home and away to Premier and Sect 2 teams...24 matches
Fixture list are at present being prepared for printing.
Sept 6..SAC
13..Comps
20..Comps
27..Premier & Sect 2 Comps.......Sect 1 Masons A v Masons B..Berinsfield v Democrats
Pete
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Post by sandra on Sept 2, 2012 11:07:39 GMT
Hi
I'm a little stunned by this - I thought the proposal that all teams play against all teams regardless of section was overwhelmingly voted against at the AGM. Perhaps I dreamt this?
Sandra
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 2, 2012 15:42:14 GMT
A quick question here all, i know that berinsfield have an intense team ;) but im wondering why we are up when the marlborough and glads a finished last league with an unassailable amount of points that we get put in the section above? ???
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Post by craig mace on Sept 2, 2012 16:06:09 GMT
A quick question here all, i know that berinsfield have an intense team ;) but im wondering why we are up when the marlborough and glads a finished last league with an unassailable amount of points that we get put in the section above? ??? because we signed Collin martin on from the start instead of January when we need him is the only reason. |
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 2, 2012 16:25:54 GMT
A quick question here all, i know that berinsfield have an intense team ;) but im wondering why we are up when the marlborough and glads a finished last league with an unassailable amount of points that we get put in the section above? ??? because we signed Collin martin on from the start instead of January when we need him is the only reason. i remember this now! So because of that we are in line for potential hammerings? Unless we peak.immensely :p |
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Post by craig mace on Sept 2, 2012 17:18:22 GMT
because we signed Collin martin on from the start instead of January when we need him is the only reason. i remember this now! So because of that we are in line for potential hammerings? Unless we peak.immensely :p Quite |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 2, 2012 17:50:01 GMT
Hi I'm a little stunned by this - I thought the proposal that all teams play against all teams regardless of section was overwhelmingly voted against at the AGM. Perhaps I dreamt this? Sandra I think what Pete meant when Prem & Section 2 play each other 4 times is that the prem play each other 4 times and section 2 play each other 4 times. Premier do not play section 2 |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 2, 2012 17:52:12 GMT
because we signed Collin martin on from the start instead of January when we need him is the only reason. i remember this now! So because of that we are in line for potential hammerings? Unless we peak.immensely :p With Geoff, Craig and Colin in the team, those three players are a match for anyone in the Premier, so you could say you are fortunate to only be in Section 1 |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 2, 2012 17:55:14 GMT
Fixture list are at present being prepared for printing. Sept 6..SAC 13..Comps 20..Comps 27..Premier & Sect 2 Comps.......Sect 1 Masons A v Masons B..Berinsfield v Democrats Pete Pete, do you know what is on the 4th October? As Ian and myself are away for the 27th Sept & 4th Oct, so will need to rearrange games asap if we are scheduled to be in any? Thanks |
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 2, 2012 18:01:53 GMT
i remember this now! So because of that we are in line for potential hammerings? Unless we peak.immensely :p With Geoff, Craig and Colin in the team, those three players are a match for anyone in the Premier, so you could say you are fortunate to only be in Section 1 the issue we have though is that colins only playing in january because we desperately needed him, hes playing reading league for the rest of it. Another issue for me is that a couple of players in our team probably arent section one standard at the moment, myself to an extent (modest i am :p). |
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Post by mossy on Sept 2, 2012 18:48:06 GMT
there was a prposal put in by big phil and seconded by beefy. that there should be a team up if they win the section and a team down if they loose there section. cant see if this was passed at the agm. didcot came bottom of the premier and by doing so should have gone down to section one. what was the outcome of this please.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 2, 2012 18:54:09 GMT
there was a prposal put in by big phil and seconded by beefy. that there should be a team up if they win the section and a team down if they loose there section. cant see if this was passed at the agm. didcot came bottom of the premier and by doing so should have gone down to section one. what was the outcome of this please. i dont think it got discussed mossy because i couldnt attend the agm, i believe the rule is that the proposer must attend. |
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Post by sandra on Sept 2, 2012 19:28:11 GMT
Hi
I'm a little stunned by this - I thought the proposal that all teams play against all teams regardless of section was overwhelmingly voted against at the AGM. Perhaps I dreamt this?
Sandra
I think what Pete meant when Prem & Section 2 play each other 4 times is that the prem play each other 4 times and section 2 play each other 4 times. Premier do not play section 2
But that still means that section 1 teams play both premier and section 2 teams and that is not what was agreed at the AGM.
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Post by craig mace on Sept 2, 2012 19:54:26 GMT
i remember this now! So because of that we are in line for potential hammerings? Unless we peak.immensely :p With Geoff, Craig and Colin in the team, those three players are a match for anyone in the Premier, so you could say you are fortunate to only be in Section 1 I completely agree with you mark problem i had with this is the point i was trying to get across was Colin is only a January player to cover myself dad john and Adam all going away |
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Post by colinm on Sept 3, 2012 8:56:21 GMT
If it helps take me off the list and then sign me on in January if you need to in order to cover those not available, it does seem a bit ridiculous that I am there for cover for one month only and that the whole teams grading is affected by this. I have no intention of playing Oxford league every week as well as the Wallingford league, I only said I would play to cover holidays in January.
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Post by delboy on Sept 3, 2012 10:31:54 GMT
In relpy to Sandra the agreement was that all teams would not play each other & as premier section teams are not playing section 2 teams that agreement has been kept. Also by doing it this way teams in all sections get a good amount of fixtures far better than last year when league was stop start. Hope this clears it up
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 3, 2012 11:05:59 GMT
If it helps take me off the list and then sign me on in January if you need to in order to cover those not available, it does seem a bit ridiculous that I am there for cover for one month only and that the whole teams grading is affected by this. I have no intention of playing Oxford league every week as well as the Wallingford league, I only said I would play to cover holidays in January. Colin thats exactly the point me and craig have made colin, im still struggling to understand how the whole grading has turned on its head. As well i thought masons b would be down and glads a would be with us originally :s |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 3, 2012 12:04:09 GMT
If it helps take me off the list and then sign me on in January if you need to in order to cover those not available, it does seem a bit ridiculous that I am there for cover for one month only and that the whole teams grading is affected by this. I have no intention of playing Oxford league every week as well as the Wallingford league, I only said I would play to cover holidays in January. Colin It is only yesterday when Craig actually spelled out that you were not going to play every week. If this had been pointed out when submitting the form, then this MAY have had an effect. As for taking you off the form, if this happened and the team were put down a section, then when they tried to sign you on, it would be rejected as it would be seen as unbalancing the section. |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 3, 2012 12:07:40 GMT
In relpy to Sandra the agreement was that all teams would not play each other & as premier section teams are not playing section 2 teams that agreement has been kept. Also by doing it this way teams in all sections get a good amount of fixtures far better than last year when league was stop start. Hope this clears it up I agree with having extra games, i think in principle this is a good idea, but the problem now is that you need 26weeks to play section 1 & 2 games, that is 6 less competition weeks for the competition secretary to work with, which will mean more played by dates and more unhappy people because of this. |
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Post by colinm on Sept 3, 2012 12:25:48 GMT
If it helps take me off the list and then sign me on in January if you need to in order to cover those not available, it does seem a bit ridiculous that I am there for cover for one month only and that the whole teams grading is affected by this. I have no intention of playing Oxford league every week as well as the Wallingford league, I only said I would play to cover holidays in January. Colin It is only yesterday when Craig actually spelled out that you were not going to play every week. If this had been pointed out when submitting the form, then this MAY have had an effect. As for taking you off the form, if this happened and the team were put down a section, then when they tried to sign you on, it would be rejected as it would be seen as unbalancing the section. At the end of the day this will be for Craig to decide as Captain I just think the idea of someone signing as a replacement to cover holidays influencing the team grading is dissappointing, unfortunately this may not have been made clear at the time the team was entered. I understand how difficult it is to get the grading right. I would suggest that if Craig can get an alternative apprentice and take me off that would be the best solution, as maybe some re-grading could be done. The team has some relatively new players to the game and putting them up and getting thumped each week may just put them off playing altogether (obviously thats just my opinion). |
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Post by craig mace on Sept 3, 2012 16:11:20 GMT
It is only yesterday when Craig actually spelled out that you were not going to play every week. If this had been pointed out when submitting the form, then this MAY have had an effect. As for taking you off the form, if this happened and the team were put down a section, then when they tried to sign you on, it would be rejected as it would be seen as unbalancing the section. At the end of the day this will be for Craig to decide as Captain I just think the idea of someone signing as a replacement to cover holidays influencing the team grading is dissappointing, unfortunately this may not have been made clear at the time the team was entered. I understand how difficult it is to get the grading right. I would suggest that if Craig can get an alternative apprentice and take me off that would be the best solution, as maybe some re-grading could be done. The team has some relatively new players to the game and putting them up and getting thumped each week may just put them off playing altogether (obviously thats just my opinion). Upon this little argument to solve all issues Collin i have to keep you in the team and i would like to keep you in the team. as far as my opinion to the grading goes i think its unfair and a load of toosh to be polite i don't know how a team with the same amount of weak players as good players can be hoisted up a section after loosing a section the season before with the exact same team makes no sense to me. I clearly stated Collin will only be used in January to cover the 4 players we have going away, now for a bit of maths without Collin i have 7 players now if 4 players go away in January that leaves 3 player as we all know 7-4=3 so adding Collin for January means we add 1 to 3 to make 4 which means we still have to use the 4 player rule to get through January, so seeing as Collin is only playing January and basing on what people are saying Berinsfield will pick up a grand total of 2 points each week up to January then we will only get 1 point based on the fact we are going up because we have 3 strong players let me take you back about 2 seasons when Marlborough won the league by a clear 10 points and didn't budge and glads A came down after getting runners up in the league some one please explain to me please. this is the second year Marlborough have won there league and not moved because on paper there not strong enough how the hell does anyone know this until it happens i'm amazed how we can loose the league with the same team as last year and go up its utter rubbish again to be polite. people can hate on this comment and hate me but i have the right as my teams captain to defend them and i also have the right to put my opinion across. and i know i was at the comitee meeting when this was discussed but my voice clearly was not heard. |
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Post by mossy on Sept 3, 2012 16:16:03 GMT
i wasnt there either but mine were put in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 16:48:47 GMT
I thought the committee made a dicision on this already? ???
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Post by beefy on Sept 3, 2012 18:38:44 GMT
In relpy to Sandra the agreement was that all teams would not play each other & as premier section teams are not playing section 2 teams that agreement has been kept. Also by doing it this way teams in all sections get a good amount of fixtures far better than last year when league was stop start. Hope this clears it up So what you are saying by this is. People must spell out EXACTLY what they WANT in simple terms at the AGM so its crystal clear to avoid this type of defence to something that was clearly rejected at the AGM. Are you a politican by any chance thats right out of the government manual - lol :) :) Now on the serious side Pete has put together a list of fixtures to give everyone lots of games and by doing this has avoided all sorts of bye's going in. section 1 = 12,15 or 18 depending on how many times they would play each other section 2 = 12,15 or 18 as above section 3 = 12, 16, 20 or 24 As you can see the only numbers that matches perfectly to all sections is 12/24 Sections one and two play each other 8 times......section 3 6 - thats a long season alternatively play 12 games....that would be over by xmas. Maybe 18 would work with byes but good luck working that one out...... Rant over |
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Post by alan on Sept 3, 2012 18:54:17 GMT
At the end of the day this will be for Craig to decide as Captain I just think the idea of someone signing as a replacement to cover holidays influencing the team grading is dissappointing, unfortunately this may not have been made clear at the time the team was entered. I understand how difficult it is to get the grading right. I would suggest that if Craig can get an alternative apprentice and take me off that would be the best solution, as maybe some re-grading could be done. The team has some relatively new players to the game and putting them up and getting thumped each week may just put them off playing altogether (obviously thats just my opinion). Upon this little argument to solve all issues Collin i have to keep you in the team and i would like to keep you in the team. as far as my opinion to the grading goes i think its unfair and a load of toosh to be polite i don't know how a team with the same amount of weak players as good players can be hoisted up a section after loosing a section the season before with the exact same team makes no sense to me. I clearly stated Collin will only be used in January to cover the 4 players we have going away, now for a bit of maths without Collin i have 7 players now if 4 players go away in January that leaves 3 player as we all know 7-4=3 so adding Collin for January means we add 1 to 3 to make 4 which means we still have to use the 4 player rule to get through January, so seeing as Collin is only playing January and basing on what people are saying Berinsfield will pick up a grand total of 2 points each week up to January then we will only get 1 point based on the fact we are going up because we have 3 strong players let me take you back about 2 seasons when Marlborough won the league by a clear 10 points and didn't budge and glads A came down after getting runners up in the league some one please explain to me please. this is the second year Marlborough have won there league and not moved because on paper there not strong enough how the hell does anyone know this until it happens i'm amazed how we can loose the league with the same team as last year and go up its utter rubbish again to be polite. people can hate on this comment and hate me but i have the right as my teams captain to defend them and i also have the right to put my opinion across. and i know i was at the comitee meeting when this was discussed but my voice clearly was not heard. Hi Craig, The issue here is that Colin Martin is signed on for your team and could play all games. We cannot grade teams on a player signing on for a month when people are away on holiday. If you have a problem with other players during the season you can call on Colin and i'm sure he would help you out. Another instance like yours is Didcot Con Club who should have been relegated but have Phil Collins, Paul Lawson etc. in their team. I know that Phil & Paul won't be playing many games but they are in the side and therefore could play in all games. I hope this makes sense and that you understand. Cheers.....Alan |
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Post by craig mace on Sept 3, 2012 18:58:56 GMT
Hi Alan
Thanks for clearing it up but as i also said at the meeting we had the exact same team last year so there is no reason for us to go up it has all been based on Collin signing on that's silly 1 player doesn't make a winning team and i would have signed him on in January but that was over looked because apparently it makes the team and league un balanced so its like we have been punished for bringing in a player for January so we don't forfeit potentially 3 games and try keep the flow of the league
still makes no sense sorry
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 4, 2012 8:54:16 GMT
i wasnt there either but mine were put in. In all fairness we dont have the same teams as last year so it doesnt really matter now as that was the premise of my proposal. I can only imagine that we knew that there wasnt going to be a vikings b team prior to the agm. |
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Post by delboy on Sept 4, 2012 8:56:31 GMT
In reply to Millhouse there are 9 weeks put aside for competitions plus another 4 weeks for players in premier section as most years it is mainly players from this section that get through to the latter stages
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Post by peetee on Sept 4, 2012 18:34:52 GMT
Fixture list are at present being prepared for printing. Sept 6..SAC 13..Comps 20..Comps 27..Premier & Sect 2 Comps.......Sect 1 Masons A v Masons B..Berinsfield v Democrats Pete Pete, do you know what is on the 4th October? As Ian and myself are away for the 27th Sept & 4th Oct, so will need to rearrange games asap if we are scheduled to be in any? Thanks Not 100% but home to Masons A ;D |
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 6, 2012 17:04:00 GMT
Hi all, do we know about whos playing in what competition matches on the 13th and 20th yet?
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