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Post by dipper on May 23, 2012 17:37:13 GMT
Hi, anybody out there think that the Inter league situation is getting crazy with two Worthing teams and Two Brighton teams now in the `A` divison for next year. On paper it could end up with three Worthing and three Brighton teams, thats not a true reflection of the Sussex Inter league. In my mind there should be one team from each league in the `A`, `B`, `C`and `D` divisons. I know this could cause problems with formats, but what about an East Sussex and a West Sussex section, draw a line down the middle, with the winner from East and West Sussex playing each other in a home and away final. I believe this has been tried before, so can anybody enlighten me on what the problems were.
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Post by dipper on May 27, 2012 16:32:13 GMT
Is there anybody out there..........?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 18:54:00 GMT
I can see where you're coming from, Roger, and I remember some ten or more years ago having a conversation with Steve Mariner where I predicted this would happen.
There is another side of the coin, where I remember aguing a case for Worthing B in the One-Day Interleague as they are perpetually condemned to play in the 'B' competition and never in the 'A's where they would probably hold their own.
Also, do you remember the times (before the admission of Redhill and Tunbridge Wells) when there was only one Interleague competition per year - either Home/Away or held on One Day - but not both ?
The next year's format was voted on at each AGM, and when Worthing got their way it was a One-day competition and when Brighton won the vote it was back to the Home/Away method. And one year (1987) Brighton actually boycotted the One-Day event!
All this is leading up to one point i would ask you to consider........that these days we have both competitions, so we have the best of both worlds.
The One Day competition has all Leagues in Sussex taking part, and the B teams have their own separate competition. So in that respect everyone is catered for.
Your concept of East and West Sussex comes into the reckoning when there is an unwieldy Home/Away third division.
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Post by bobhall on May 27, 2012 19:15:21 GMT
Question Roger why shouldn't there be a brighton a and b team and a worthing a and b team in 1 division?.
I dont recall this being a problem having two worthing teams in the same division but then again you play for one of them. This is a game of fun brighton b earnt there right to get to the top flight and deserve to be, there just like worthing a and b stayed in the top flight and deserve to be there.
[edit - confrontational wording amended - tommo]
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Post by H on May 27, 2012 19:17:55 GMT
Full stop bobhall.
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Post by dipper on May 28, 2012 18:04:05 GMT
As it stands at the moment it is not a true representation of the Sussex interleague, having two or more teams in the same league, I am sure that if Worthing `A` could get together with Worthing `B`and stop there squabaling they could make a super team, as with some of the other inter league teams.
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Post by davejones on May 28, 2012 20:10:12 GMT
Hi Roger Why not conduct a poll to see which preference inter league captains and teams prefer?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2012 20:10:42 GMT
Worthing A already look very much like a 'superteam' to me, Roger! In fact, since the Divisional system was formed in the 1988/89 season, all honours have gone to either Brighton A, Worthing A or Redhill A, with just one exception !
2011 / 12 Brighton A Worthing A 2010 / 11 Worthing A Brighton A 2009 / 10 Brighton A Worthing A 2008 / 09 Worthing A Brighton A 2009 / 10 Brighton A Worthing A 2008 / 09 Worthing A Brighton A 2007 / 08 Brighton A Worthing A 2006 / 07 Redhill A Brighton A 2005 / 06 Brighton A Worthing A 2004 / 05 Brighton A Redhill A 2003 / 04 Brighton A Worthing A 2002 / 03 Worthing A Brighton A 2001 / 02 Redhill Brighton A 2000 / 01 Brighton A Worthing A 1999 / 00 Brighton A Worthing A 1998 / 99 Brighton A Worthing A 1997 / 98 Brighton A Worthing A 1996 / 97 Brighton A Worthing A 1995 / 96 Brighton A Worthing A 1994 / 95 Redhill Brighton A 1993 / 94 Brighton A Worthing A 1992 / 93 Brighton A Worthing A 1991 / 92 Worthing A Brighton A 1990 / 91 Worthing A Brighton A 1989 / 90 Brighton A Horsham A 1988 / 89 (Div 1) Worthing A Brighton A
Happy Birthday, by the way ! 8-)
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Post by dipper on May 29, 2012 18:06:20 GMT
Not as SUPER as Brighton Tommo!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2012 22:00:12 GMT
Which ever way you look at it, Roger, even with an "East v West" Home and Away Final, it would still be Brighton v Worthing.
I am in favour of 'zoning' in certain circumstances, but tend to agree with Bob on this, that Brighton'B' have earned their place at the top table by right, and can't find much wrong with the current structure of Interleague with its two differing systems, which allows the best of both worlds.
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Post by bigtj on May 30, 2012 7:14:58 GMT
I think we originally had seperate leagues for the A, B and C teams at one stage in inter league, and there was no promotion or demotion???? This obviously gives a fair split of the leagues, but was in the days all leagues were fairly strong and could hold their own. Also now we have so many players that play multiple leagues so qualify to play for one or more league inter league sides.
If we kept to only A teams in the A league some teams would always be coming along with little chanc eof winning the league, we have seen with Mid Sussex A this year that they won division two last season unbeaten but in the first division have only picked up one game, showing the large rift in standards between first and second division.
You will always get super teams from the stronger leagues, and if a team wins their division surely they have earnt the right to go up, no matter what the next season brings. Alo some players will always stay loyal to what they class as there first choice league, me for example will always first and foremost will call myself a Worthing player.
Do agree with Roger that the league can become unbalanced but does this not prove that those leagues are prehaps deeper in depth and deserve to be represented. There are still a lot of top class players that choice not to play inter league for one reason or another and again this does mean that we will not always get a true reflection of any particular leagues strength.
As for zoning think this will only work outside the top division and may mean looking at almalgamating the second and third division to get a fair zonal split, with the top two playing off to earn promotion to the first division.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 9:36:03 GMT
As for zoning think this will only work outside the top division and may mean looking at almalgamating the second and third division to get a fair zonal split, with the top two playing off to earn promotion to the first division. Food for thought there from Tony. I suppose if ever zoning became wholesale, Redhill would have to be classed as 'West' and Tunny Wells as 'East'. But both these teams enjoy playing each other and are founder members of the new Kent Home/Away interleague - along with Medway and Hastings ! At the moment Interleague has a really nice balance, with three equal divisions of six teams, and I for one really enjoyed my first season playing for a once-great team half-way up in the middle division! :P
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Post by bigtj on May 30, 2012 11:36:55 GMT
Yes Tommo not suggesting we change but just a bit of food for thought, as always I enjoy my inter league in both formats.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on May 30, 2012 14:37:53 GMT
As for zoning think this will only work outside the top division and may mean looking at almalgamating the second and third division to get a fair zonal split, with the top two playing off to earn promotion to the first division. At the moment Interleague has a really nice balance, with three equal divisions of six teams, and I for one really enjoyed my first season playing for a once-great team half-way up in the middle division! :P Agree 100% tommo much more fun playing opponents of similar standard, ....as long as i win! ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 15:28:45 GMT
Agree 100% tommo much more fun playing opponents of similar standard, ....as long as i win! ;D Even more fun is playing players of a higher standard - and breaking even. :P (= equally ridiculous statement. ;D)
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Post by dipper on May 30, 2012 17:11:26 GMT
In the early days of playing inter league, the challenge for me was to progress by improving my game in the `B` team so as I could advance to the `A`inter league, which was always my aim, successfully achieved, that was the challenge, as it should be now for the up and coming players.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 17:27:31 GMT
Same here for me in Horsham, but whereas Horsham and Worthing both once had A,B,C and D teams, Horsham now only has the one, whereas Worthing - now the largest league in Sussex - still has A,B and C.
So obviously places in Worthing A will tend to be more competitive.
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Post by dipper on May 31, 2012 17:35:18 GMT
Not so competitive now as there are two teams in the `A` division, competing against each other instead of forming a better team and challenging Brighton! If Horsham only has one team, so that team is there best team surely, as with any other league.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 17:52:31 GMT
It took us a while, Roger, but now we see the full motive behind your starting this thread ! ;D
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Post by dipper on Jun 1, 2012 17:58:05 GMT
I have no ulterior motive as I only played as reserve for the Worthing `A` team last year and am considering not playing at all next year, I just want to see a true representation of the leagues of Sussex. Which I do not think it is at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 18:45:47 GMT
It's more than just Sussex now, Roger, it's more like Southern Counties, and has been for more than ten years.
Brighton and Worthing are the two strongest leagues, so it to be expected that they may have 'A' and 'B' in the top division - along with what effectively is the Surrey County side and most of the Kent County side.
In that respect I suppose you are right that it is 'not truly representative of the Sussex Leagues' - but so what ? It's competitive at the top end, and the 'minor leagues' to Brighton and Worthing can still enjoy a good competition in Divs 2 and 3 at a slightly gentler pace and with promotion to the top section the ultimate target. What's wrong with that ?
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Post by BB Warrior on Jun 1, 2012 19:23:40 GMT
I think that this is a very interesting discussion and can see sides of the coin.... although I would tend to agree more with this.... It's competitive at the top end, and the 'minor leagues' to Brighton and Worthing can still enjoy a good competition in Divs 2 and 3 at a slightly gentler pace and with promotion to the top section the ultimate target. What's wrong with that ? .... than the thought of "weakening" the Top Division to simply enable each of the Leagues to be represented at the highest level. During the past few seasons, Lewes, Littlehampton, Horsham and Mid-Sussex have all gained promotion to Division 1.... and all gone straight back down again, Lewes and Littlehampton failed to win a game at all, Mid-Sussex won one game and Horsham won two games, so 3 games won out of 40 matches played. Would the players in those teams enjoy being on the receiving end of heavy defeats year after year.... or would they prefer to be competitive against other teams of a similar standard and know that they will have the chance to win games and gain promotion if they play well? My personal thought is that some players could choose to stop playing the Inter League competition completely if there was no chance of either their team, or them personally, winning matches.... and for the players in the B Teams, there would never be the chance to compete against the top teams.... even though Worthing B have proved in the past few years that they are more than capable of beating them and have stayed in Division 1 since gaining promotion. I suppose, with many people playing in multiple Leagues now, some players might choose to leave the B Teams that they have played for to go and play for another Leagues A Team.... that has already happened in the past a few times. That could potentially strengthen another Leagues A Team, but the B Team competition would then lower in standard and that would have a knock on effect further down as well. At present, the Inter League competition has 12 'A' Teams, 4 'B' Teams and only 2 'C' Teams.... so I'm not sure where we will find enough players for another 30 teams to make up the B, C and D Sections that Dipper has suggested, even Brighton and Worthing (who both have the 'C' Teams) would struggle to find enough additional players to add another team and if the League isn't balanced and representative at all levels.... have you gained anything by changing it from the current system...?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 21:16:55 GMT
Good words there, and just to add that what's good for one League outfit needn't necessarily be good for another.
Take Horsham for instance - having lost quite a few top-liners (Lloyd, Slee, Gibbs, Sparkes, Dewdney R etc) 12 months ago we are in the process of 'regenerating' and half-way up Div 2 this year was a very comfortable place to be.
My role has been to help 'bring on' some of the newer players, and I have offered my services to Horsham for one last season: For me some of the banter has been a bit of an eye-opener, but it has been a welcome change from the intensity of the last six years in the top division with 'contenders' Redhill, pleasurable though that was also.
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Post by bobhall on Jun 1, 2012 22:25:43 GMT
I for 1 enjoyed making it to the top flight and took a few good scalps on the way mid sussex had our chances against worthing brighton at ours t wells both home and away and redhill at ours but due to a few silly choice of shots it cost us breaks and games won but non the less we still aim to go back up next year and compete again.
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Post by bigtj on Sept 1, 2012 7:35:38 GMT
Inter league this season to start weekend Sunday 16th and Monday 17th, we are awaiting the fixtures, good luck to all in the coming season.
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Post by davejones on Sept 1, 2012 20:36:50 GMT
the fixtures are ready just need the final team captains to forward their details to me please asap
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Post by JB on Sept 1, 2012 23:03:44 GMT
Hi Dave Have put some names on the other thread under Sussex as there seems to be two threads going. Not sure I like this inter league thread would much rather it was kept under the Sussex one as before. Gets a bit confusing
Is there anyway we can get rid of this section so that everything is kept under Sussex as before as I'm sure that's where people look
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Sept 3, 2012 20:50:50 GMT
Hi Dave Have put some names on the other thread under Sussex as there seems to be two threads going. Not sure I like this inter league thread would much rather it was kept under the Sussex one as before. Gets a bit confusing Is there anyway we can get rid of this section so that everything is kept under Sussex as before as I'm sure that's where people look I too would like to see that Jean. Pretty please Mr Moderators 8-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 21:59:03 GMT
I too would like to see that Jean. Pretty please Mr Moderators 8-) Kev and Jean - thinking back, I think the reason for the split was to still make Interleague (and Inter-Area) visible to all while the rest had gone 'members only'. Plan put on hold at present, of course. Mods - How about: Sussex Bar Billiards (top bit) becomes Sussex Leagues (only); Sussex/Southern Interleague (bottom bit) becomes Sussex County Comps incl. Interleague. (with 2 sub-boards: SCBBA Interleague and County Competitions).
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Post by JB on Sept 3, 2012 23:16:21 GMT
Can't it go back to how it was. All under Sussex Bar Billiards. I'm saying on one thread that I've received money and on another thread it's saying not been received. I'm getting really confused.perhaps it's a blonde moment!
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