Grand Prix 2012

[NigelS]

Qualifiers for the Grand Prix below, if people can please confirm whether or not they are going to attend, I will update the list as I get answers. Please let me know ASAP as there are only 2 weeks to confirm. Grand Prix is on Sun 25th Nov.

1      Kevin Tunstall      44 Confirmed
2      Steven Sheard      39 Confirmed
3      Phil Collins      35 Confirmed
4      Keith Sheard      34 Confirmed
5      Paul Sainsbury      32 Confirmed
6      Nigel Senior      23 Confirmed
     Ian Lelliott      20
7      Trevor Gallienne      18
8      Richard Wooton      15 Confirmed
9      Curt Driver      14 Confirmed
10      Dave Ingram      13 Confirmed
11      Mark Brewster      13 Confirmed
     Bill Kerr      10
12      Tom Oliver      10 Confirmed
     Graham Bisson      9
     Bob King      9
13      Henry Brooks      8 Confirmed
14      Tony Martin      7 Confirmed
15      Barry Radford      7 Confirmed
16      Jim Greensted      7 Confirmed
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17 Mark Trafford 6

[BB Warrior]

Henry Brooks and I are both available to play.... assuming I can still breathe in enough to fit in my waistcoat this year! :-[ ;D

Ian Lelliott unavailable (due to dress code) ::) :'(

Nov 13, 2012 12:38:13 GMT BB Warrior said:

Ian Lelliott unavailable (due to dress code) ::) :'(

The Ice=cream man won't play in a Penguin Suit ? :o :o

That's a shame. Can't something be done ? :(

[milhouse]

Nov 13, 2012 14:58:07 GMT tommo III said:

Nov 13, 2012 12:38:13 GMT BB Warrior said:

Ian Lelliott unavailable (due to dress code) ::) :'(

The Ice=cream man won't play in a Penguin Suit ? :o :o

That's a shame. Can't something be done ? :(

Put a proposal through at the AGM!

I know there were people talking about the dress code at the weekend with opinions split evenly for/against!

People have got away with wearing a tie instead of the dicky-bow in the past, so the dress code isn't completely unwaiving.

[Sir Chancelot]

Nov 13, 2012 14:58:07 GMT tommo III said:

Nov 13, 2012 12:38:13 GMT BB Warrior said:

Ian Lelliott unavailable (due to dress code) ::) :'(

The Ice=cream man won't play in a Penguin Suit ? :o :o

That's a shame. Can't something be done ? :(

I know a couple over here in Guernsey that wouldn't play in a Penguin suit.
I'm with Ian on this one ;D

[milko]

How can you enforce this or put a Proposal in to change it when there's NOTHING written in the AEBBA rules to say what dress code you should wear anyway!

In my opinion you should not have to dress up like a stuffed Xmas turkey just to play bar billiards in an individual event, maybe only for your Country in a team event.

Keith ???

[BB Warrior]

Nov 13, 2012 15:36:47 GMT milhouse said:

Put a proposal through at the AGM!

I know there were people talking about the dress code at the weekend with opinions split evenly for/against!

Yes, there was some discussion about this in Jersey and opinions on the subject were varied. :-/

From my experience in the last couple of years, it seems that a lot of players who take part in the Grand Prix have only worn the waistcoat and dickey bow for the picture and then either take them off completely or leave them undone while they are playing.... which does seem to defeat the object of insisting that players wear them to start with really. ::)

I will admit that I am one of the "guilty" parties of having done this myself.... for the simple reason that I find it very hard to be comfortable when I feel as if I am wearing a straightjacket.... although I suppose the simple answer to that for me would be to either find a bigger waistcoat or lose some weight!! :-[ ;D ;D

I know that Ian has very strong opinions on this and respect his view on this subject.... as he has often told me it is a pub game and even when you play for the England Team you only have to wear a tee shirt and black trousers - which is a big step for Ian to have to take in itself! :o ;D

As a matter of interest..... please could somebody show me which AEBBA Rule covers the dress code for the Grand Prix??

I have just looked through the Rules on the AEBBA Website but couldn't see anything..... ??? ::) :-/

[bigtj]

Will check with Bill but logistically think may be a no as dress code could be a problem.

[Sir Chancelot]

In these days of digital photography and photoshop, surely the answer is Yes ;D
If he does not want to dress up and someone else wishes to see him dressed up, they can edit the photos themselves.

Fantastic at Jersey to see recognition for a bright new star and decent and humble bloke who won the best newcomer prize. I met him again at the Airport and he was still over the moon with his weekend.

Just goes to show that we in the Bar Billiards community should accept and welcome everyone as they are, regardless of social standing, colour or creed (or preferred dress code) ;D

[David.G]

A very healthy debate going on here 8-)

I have to throw in my two pounds worth here just to even up the balance of the debate.

Having been the Secretary for the last six years ??? Yes 6 years ;) :D wow!! how time fly's when your world is so full of enjoyment ;D ;D I have grown to appreciate the formality of such a highly contested tournament.

The GRAND PRIX is the echelon of our sport, It is the Cream of the crop in terms of National Tournament stature. It is the only tournament where the years top 16 players battle it out to be crowned GRAND PRIX CHAMPION, How cool is that 8-)

We need to keep some sort of decorum and grace in Bar Billiards. It maybe that some players never fall out of the top 16 and are thereby growing tired of wearing the "Penguin" Suit.

A few years ago I somehow managed to reach those dizzy heights to be invited to play in the GRAND PRIX. For me it was a great privilege and honor to play against the WORLDS best. I was immensely proud to wear my "Penguin" suit(Not been there since) and just for the record, I do wear 'trousers' at the GRAND PRIX Tournament.

It is such a shame when someone is unable to attend because of the 'dress code'

The 'GRAND PRIX' Should remain as is. Formal with 'dress code'

[Chris]

Guys

We are all have different feelings re dress code why should anyone impose anything re dress in Bar Billiards. More importantly those mentioned are totally dedicated players. So Ian and posibly Bill can't play as they may not wear a suit and tie/bow tie.??? Sorry not fair where is the AEBBA Rule re this? It may be there but not going to read it to find out.

Ian supports every open pays his entry fee why should he not enter?? He got the points and deserves to.

Bill always does your raffle every game or open he can, Why should he be discounted if he does not want to wear a suit. Although we do not know that yet.

Ian/Bill not saying you can't re below but...

What if they don't have one? Do all men have one? Is it their priority in their lifestyle or this economic climate?

My first year back I was suddenly asked to play in the Ladies as they were short, someone had not turned up, I was not in dress code. To be honest you all know I changed out after the photo which I hated, in those I qualified for.

Guys...  change is always hard, it is about our mindset and default position. Don't let your default position exclude people over a matter of dress.

What will make a great Grand Prix is those playing that have earnt the right to!!!

I too have mixed views on this. Whilst I respect AEBBASec's sentiment on the tradition of the event, there is also (like Stormin') something of the rebel in me.
The one and only year I was privileged to compete, I got away with wearing an ordinary tie (Milko too) but (like BBW now ;D) it was a very tight squeeze to get into my old work suit and waistcoat that I hadn't had to wear for several months. (Nowadays sadly its only outing seems to be for funerals).

I just think it's a great shame for Ian not to be able to take part and it devalues the competition not making allowances for him. Also, it's not the first time he has been forced to decline. What about 'smart casual' as the dress code for Ian and Bill ? I don't think they'd look too out of place in a carefully choreographed line-up photo.

[salamander87]

As a comparison, when I played county pool they also imposed a dress code of shirt and trousers which I always assumed was so that each team looked smart and were in matching "uniform". Although I know I will feel proud stood having my photo taken in the brand new shirt I will buy.. it for me will be more because im well chuffed to have qualified
I don't particularly feel comfy in a shirt, in fact I usually find they restrict movement and that's my main reason aside from being pretty sure I don't own a white shirt anymore that I would be happier if I didn't have to wear a specific set of clothes.

[Q]

Nov 13, 2012 18:33:11 GMT Sir Chancelot said:

Fantastic at Jersey to see recognition for a bright new star and decent and humble bloke who won the best newcomer prize. I met him again at the Airport and he was still over the moon with his weekend.

I haven't seen anything about this.... WHO??



and my personal opinion on the (unofficial as far as I can see) dress code follows young Chrissie, its the people that matter, not what they wear, Ian & Bill make a stand, there are plenty on here to back you up 8-)

[bobhall]

Nov 14, 2012 0:14:30 GMT Q said:

Nov 13, 2012 18:33:11 GMT Sir Chancelot said:

Fantastic at Jersey to see recognition for a bright new star and decent and humble bloke who won the best newcomer prize. I met him again at the Airport and he was still over the moon with his weekend.

I haven't seen anything about this.... WHO??



and my personal opinion on the (unofficial as far as I can see) dress code follows young Chrissie, its the people that matter, not what they wear, Ian & Bill make a stand, there are plenty on here to back you up 8-)

James Whittle of the henty worthing

[SirKT]

I think the times they are a changing. I am one of those who does like to wear a waistcoat and Bow tie for our flagship event but I am open to change. It is nice to see everyone looking smart for a change ;D but I would also like to see the top 16 players there and not have to start going down the list of reserves.
We understand that any Channel Island players may not be able to attend because of the cost/work commitments etc.
Let`s relax the penguin suit, but I would still insist that trousers be worn though ;)

These leaves the question.....what the f*** am I going to do with all my waistcoats :-X ??? :o :-/


By the way, I will be attending ;D

Nov 14, 2012 11:51:22 GMT SirKT said:

I would still insist that trousers be worn though ;)

Hard luck. Lorin! ;D ;D ;D

[bigjimsilverfox]

if required I can attend

Nov 14, 2012 13:20:33 GMT bigjimsilverfox said:

if required I can attend

Wear the fox hat !      (Dave Jones will appreciate that one !) ;D

[H]

Genuine question based on what I've been able to find in the wardrobe - would a leather waistcoast be acceptable?

[davejones]

Nov 14, 2012 13:30:09 GMT tommo III said:

Nov 14, 2012 13:20:33 GMT bigjimsilverfox said:

if required I can attend

Wear the fox hat ! (Dave Jones will appreciate that one !) ;D

Bring back Kipling!

[curtd]

I can make it :)

[Richard]

I can make it

[BB Warrior]

Tom Oliver available and has booked his flights..... great to see one of the Guernsey players coming over for this competition. ;D

Tom is waiting to find out whether Trevor Gallienne will also be coming over and will let me know as soon as possible. 8-)

[milko]

Nov 14, 2012 23:09:44 GMT BB Warrior said:

Tom Oliver available and has booked his flights..... great to see one of the Guernsey players coming over for this competition. ;D

Tom is waiting to find out whether Trevor Gallienne will also be coming over and will let me know as soon as possible. 8-)

That's great to see the Channel Island players interested in coming over for this event.

I have also noticed that if one person pulls out of the original 16 Tom will be in MY group, so I will be looking for revenge because I've played him twice and never beaten him.....bring it on! ;D

[markb]

I can make it

[Chris]

Barry Radford - available

[Richard]

Are you not confirmed Nige ??

[PaulS]

I will be attending