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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 16:43:35 GMT
Well, Jimmy Anderson, yes, probably the best bowler in the world at the momnt. Dare I say it, our batsmen are "not bad" either - Ian Bell now only one of four Englishmen to score centuries in three successive Ashes matches. (The only others being Jack Hobbs, who did it twice in 1911/12 and 1924/25, Wally Hammond in 1928/29 and Chris Broad in 1986/87.) Our South African duo Trott and Pietersen ooze class, but can sometimes be a bit laid back (flaw in their attitude). And as for the whippersnapper Joe Root, I shall enjoy seeing his career unfold over the next few years. Cool Mind you, his stand in for Yorkshire ain't bad either ! 275 - what ? Pleased www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/counties/10189583/Joe-Roots-stand-in-rewites-the-record-books-at-Yorkshire-with-unbeaten-double-century.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2013 19:03:29 GMT
The Aussie batting was dreadful but England equally profligate so far in 2nd innings ! Hope the decision not to make 'em follow on doesn't come back to bite us.
Yet another gritty innings from Bell needed tomorrow, with Root showing us what he's capable of.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 19, 2013 19:45:21 GMT
In all fairness to England, the Australian bowling line up is a class above their batting, Siddle is world class and Harris has a never say die attitude with Pattinson as an exciting talent. Even if England set a more modest total, Australia have it all to do because of their lack of batting power.
Im looking forward to seeing how Root performs tomorrow being Englands golden lad!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 20, 2013 15:44:26 GMT
Root is too good, i think he will be better than Hayden, Langer etc. in terms of openers, them two guys were phenominal and i think Root will surpass them, cracking for the young lad, England 443 ahead and embarrassing Australia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2013 17:18:36 GMT
Good day at the office for England, 302 runs added in the day and the lead over the Aussies passing 550.
Will be interesting to see if Cook declares overnight, the match must surely be now beyond Australia.
My guess though is they'll bat tomorrow for an hour to give Root the chance of his double century.
Also the sight of an England pair once more going out to bat will further demoralize our shell-shocked opponents !
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 20, 2013 17:43:01 GMT
Good day at the office for England, 302 runs added in the day and the lead over the Aussies passing 550. Will be interesting to see if Cook declares overnight, the match must surely be now beyond Australia. My guess though is they'll bat tomorrow for an hour to give Root the chance of his double century. Also the sight of an England pair once more going out to bat will further demoralize our shell-shocked opponents ! I think the moment Root gets a double hundred or gets out theyll go back to the shed, but i agree, the Aussies havent been given a hammering as this for years and will just be thinking of getting to the hotel room, time will tell!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 21, 2013 11:15:05 GMT
England set Australia 589 to win, a world record chase! Root falls short on 180 but probablybthe best innings from a young opener in test cricket ive ever seen!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 15:09:12 GMT
Still listening to it out there, six Aussie 2nd innings wickets now down, great for England but it's like shooting fish in a barrel.
If this were a boxing match the ref would have stopped the fight by now !
I'm far from convinced that the DRS system is good for cricket....the tendency now is to challenge everything, removing too much credence on the umpires' ability to reach the right decisions.
It's good for tennis and badly needed for football for goalmouth incidents, but in its present guise is not good for cricket IMHO. Perhaps if one appeal per team per day were to be allowed for use in a really match-depending incident?
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 21, 2013 16:25:23 GMT
Still listening to it out there, six Aussie 2nd innings wickets now down, great for England but it's like shooting fish in a barrel. If this were a boxing match the ref would have stopped the fight by now ! I'm far from convinced that the DRS system is good for cricket....the tendency now is to challenge everything, removing too much credence on the umpires' ability to reach the right decisions. It's good for tennis and badly needed for football for goalmouth incidents, but in its present guise is not good for cricket IMHO. Perhaps if one appeal per team per day were to be allowed for use in a really match-depending incident? DRS is a very tough issue, it was brought in with the best will in the world which is to protect the players from hideous umpiring decisions, but without the umpire looking ridiculous. As far as im concerned if you use it properly like England have generally been doing then theres nothing to worry about. If youre using it like Australia have then youre going to struggle, for example, Rogers was given out to one of the worst balls ive ever seen in cricket, but didnt refer it because Watson used a referral for a plum lbw decision, subsequently Rogers would of been not out but was in two minds because of Watson. I think the umpires need more guidance and training on it because there have been some howlers on and off screen. I think though that as a whole its a brilliant idea and what the game needs, but only if used properly by everyone concerned.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 21, 2013 19:52:06 GMT
Thank heavans they got that out of way! Great way to cap off a mullering!
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Post by milhouse on Jul 21, 2013 23:31:06 GMT
Root is too good, i think he will be better than Hayden, Langer etc. in terms of openers, them two guys were phenominal and i think Root will surpass them, cracking for the young lad, England 443 ahead and embarrassing Australia. I think you are getting ahead of yourself here Phil! Joe is a good prospect, but to say that he will be better than Hayden & Langer is going a bit far at the moment! Yes, his score of 180 in this innings was good, but what has he done in the other 3 innings? 5 & 30 in the first test and 6 in the 2nd test 1st innings! Also you have to remember that this is probably the worst Australian bowling attack for at least 20 years!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 22, 2013 9:38:23 GMT
Root is too good, i think he will be better than Hayden, Langer etc. in terms of openers, them two guys were phenominal and i think Root will surpass them, cracking for the young lad, England 443 ahead and embarrassing Australia. I think you are getting ahead of yourself here Phil! Joe is a good prospect, but to say that he will be better than Hayden & Langer is going a bit far at the moment! Yes, his score of 180 in this innings was good, but what has he done in the other 3 innings? 5 & 30 in the first test and 6 in the 2nd test 1st innings! Also you have to remember that this is probably the worst Australian bowling attack for at least 20 years! This Australian bowling attack i would say is competent if anything, Siddle is a world class bowler, Harris got a five for and Pattinson is well talked about. In all fairness Agar is absolutely pants. What i meant to say regarding Root is that if he carries on like he did in that 180 he could well be as good as Hayden or Langer, my wording isnt brilliant :D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 11:41:25 GMT
I wouldn't dis Root's achievement either: His 180 was the highest by an England opener against Australia at Lord's, obliterating the 175 by John Edrich in 1975.
Root's match-winning knock is the fourth highest by an England opener vs Australia in Tests in England. The only player to score 200 or more as an England opener vs Australia in England is Len Hutton's 364 in 847 balls at The Oval in August 1938.
I also read somewhere that this is the first time England have taken a 2-0 lead in a home Ashes series since 1890, so exciting times.
When you say the opposition are 'weak', remember we only won the First Test by a mere 14 runs: I think Clarke will manage a sizeable innings before the series is over.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 22, 2013 12:04:04 GMT
I think you are getting ahead of yourself here Phil! Joe is a good prospect, but to say that he will be better than Hayden & Langer is going a bit far at the moment! Yes, his score of 180 in this innings was good, but what has he done in the other 3 innings? 5 & 30 in the first test and 6 in the 2nd test 1st innings! Also you have to remember that this is probably the worst Australian bowling attack for at least 20 years! This Australian bowling attack i would say is competent if anything, Siddle is a world class bowler, Harris got a five for and Pattinson is well talked about. In all fairness Agar is absolutely pants. What i meant to say regarding Root is that if he carries on like he did in that 180 he could well be as good as Hayden or Langer, my wording isnt brilliant :D I see what you are saying, but Siddle, Harris, Pattinson are not in the same universe as McGrath, Lee, Gillespie - Plus they had Warne for a spin option!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 22, 2013 12:36:26 GMT
This Australian bowling attack i would say is competent if anything, Siddle is a world class bowler, Harris got a five for and Pattinson is well talked about. In all fairness Agar is absolutely pants. What i meant to say regarding Root is that if he carries on like he did in that 180 he could well be as good as Hayden or Langer, my wording isnt brilliant :D I see what you are saying, but Siddle, Harris, Pattinson are not in the same universe as McGrath, Lee, Gillespie - Plus they had Warne for a spin option! Absolutely nowhere near like you say Mark, the three seamers in the late 90s/mid noughtiss were probably as good or if not better than the West Indies pace quartet of the 70s. All the same i rate Siddle highly, hes the only consistent Aussie bowler in that side at the monent, in a way like McGrath, line and length all day long.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 20:03:13 GMT
As we are in a summer sporty mode ..... Not worth starting a special thread on, but I am watching Arsenal playing Nagoya Grampus on TV - for FREE ! BT Sport have just launched 6 channels under YouView and they include ESPN which is what I'm watching at the moment. Arsenal 3-1 up.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 23, 2013 0:05:29 GMT
As we are in a summer sporty mode ..... Not worth starting a special thread on, but I am watching Arsenal playing Nagoya Grampus on TV - for FREE ! BT Sport have just launched 6 channels under YouView and they include ESPN which is what I'm watching at the moment. Arsenal 3-1 up. Only free if you subscribe to BT......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2013 8:30:52 GMT
Only free if you subscribe to BT...... Well obviously....."as a free extra", then.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 23, 2013 9:09:26 GMT
Only free if you subscribe to BT...... Well obviously....."as a free extra", then. I ought to check if im on BT, that might be handy for the coming season! Pattinson ruled out for the series!
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Post by milhouse on Jul 23, 2013 17:02:30 GMT
Well obviously....."as a free extra", then. I ought to check if im on BT, that might be handy for the coming season! Pattinson ruled out for the series! and McGrath laying into everyone else.....
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 23, 2013 20:18:56 GMT
I ought to check if im on BT, that might be handy for the coming season! Pattinson ruled out for the series! and McGrath laying into everyone else..... Typically McGrath! Makes me wonder if Lehmann is too laid back to coach a team in tatters, despite being a cracking guy they may of really needed a Steve Waugh type character.
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Post by milhouse on Jul 24, 2013 7:33:06 GMT
Yeah, didn't think Lehmann was the right choice in my opinion, but then would someone like McGrath want to do it when he can work on the TV without all the stress and just pick holes in what everyone else does..... ?
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Jul 24, 2013 8:38:23 GMT
Yeah, didn't think Lehmann was the right choice in my opinion, but then would someone like McGrath want to do it when he can work on the TV without all the stress and just pick holes in what everyone else does..... ? dont think it matters who is coach, the Ausies are weaker players than they used to be
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Post by milhouse on Jul 24, 2013 9:32:06 GMT
Yeah, didn't think Lehmann was the right choice in my opinion, but then would someone like McGrath want to do it when he can work on the TV without all the stress and just pick holes in what everyone else does..... ? dont think it matters who is coach, the Ausies are weaker players than they used to be That is very true and goes back to my earlier statement of this being the weakest Australian team for some time..... Although you know that Clarke will get an innings at some point!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Jul 24, 2013 9:48:06 GMT
I was surprised when they named Lehmann, on the basis hes a gentle giant really. But at the end of the day you need the players to be half decent, i dare say he will be getting the rap of the knuckles from Cricket Australia! Probably homework related.
At the end of the day like you say Mark, Clarke is going to score big soon, but thatll probably be half of a 250 all out judging by whats been seen.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Aug 1, 2013 10:00:52 GMT
Day 1 of the third test, Aussie in first, and Jimmy starts with a dead ball!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Aug 1, 2013 10:39:37 GMT
Rogers looking goodbthis morning, going at a run a ball!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Aug 1, 2013 11:17:22 GMT
50 for Rogers, looking in cracking touch!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Aug 1, 2013 13:25:34 GMT
Absolute howler to get rid of Khawaja!! Aussie responding on a good track though after lunch!
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Post by BigPhilMac on Aug 1, 2013 13:33:26 GMT
Rogers gone for 84, cracking effort but distracted by the guys in the executive box shifting around! Massive for England though!
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