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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 18, 2013 14:27:35 GMT
The League Cup is due to start in 2 weeks time on 2nd December.... has any decision been made yet about the format for this years competition?  I have heard various suggestions.... Alternate Rules, Off-the-Spot, Handicaps.... but not seen anything that tells us what decision has been reached yet....  |
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Post by little legs on Nov 18, 2013 15:47:23 GMT
Hi Dave
Yes a format was sorted at our committee meeting last week , it involves a handicap system dependent on team averages over the first seven League games . I,m sure Ric will finalize all the details after tonight's game when final averages sorted. Think it will interesting and certainly a few challenges for teams with higher averages.
Teams 1 Average minus Team 2 average , this handicap will be given in 3 games chosen by the lower team average , so in a way you play your joker in 3 games.
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 18, 2013 16:22:18 GMT
Hi Dave Yes a format was sorted at our committee meeting last week , it involves a handicap system dependent on team averages over the first seven League games . I,m sure Ric will finalize all the details after tonight's game when final averages sorted. Think it will interesting and certainly a few challenges for teams with higher averages. Teams 1 Average minus Team 2 average , this handicap will be given in 3 games chosen by the lower team average , so in a way you play your joker in 3 games. Sounds complicated to me....  Who gets the breaks? Any allowance on the handicap given for when playing on the "trickier" tables in the League? Is the "Team Average" given to all the players on both sides, or are the averages calculated for each individual player? What happens if a reserve is played that has not played so far this season, do the same Team averages apply to them even if those players are perhaps not as good as the regular players in a team? It would seem a bit unfair if a team can have the choice of applying a (potentially) substantial start in a game and have the break on a table where possibly the handicap is higher than a normal match-winning score, so I hope that the Committee has taken that into consideration with their calculations.... |
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Post by little legs on Nov 18, 2013 16:36:46 GMT
Sounds complicated to me.... Who gets the breaks? Any allowance on the handicap given for when playing on the "trickier" tables in the League? Is the "Team Average" given to all the players on both sides, or are the averages calculated for each individual player? What happens if a reserve is played that has not played so far this season, do the same Team averages apply to them even if those players are perhaps not as good as the regular players in a team? It would seem a bit unfair if a team can have the choice of applying a (potentially) substantial start in a game and have the break on a table where possibly the handicap is higher than a normal match-winning score, so I hope that the Committee has taken that into consideration with their calculations.... Normal breaks No allowances to tables,reserves , your team average applies to all players , its at the lower teams choice where they apply these handicaps. Our reserve scored 20k  Blubbering%maybe we could take that off  , he did a telling off last week  Reserves can be better or poorer than normal team members it would be too complicated to adapt to personal players. |
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 18, 2013 16:51:51 GMT
Normal breaks No allowances to tables,reserves , your team average applies to all players , its at the lower teams choice where they apply these handicaps. Reserves can be better or poorer than normal team members it would be too complicated to adapt to personal players. I know that there is no simple solution that is fair to all players, but it seems that this could result in the better players trying even harder to stay on the table for longer if they have the chance as they will have to overcome the handicap to start with before trying to actually beat their opponent....  The difference in both players standards in each team and the table qualities should be taken into consideration on any handicap that is given or the competition is simply meaningless.  |
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Post by little legs on Nov 18, 2013 17:11:05 GMT
Unfortunately any handicap game is always going to mean the stronger will have to be at the table longer to chase it down , but with it applying in only 3 games lower teams will have to choose whether to apply the handicap against the best player in team or target the weaker players and possibly sacrifice the odd player against the better players. P.S. Try not to score too many tonight , it will help your average |
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 18, 2013 23:42:47 GMT
P.S. Try not to score too many tonight , it will help your average I will obviously have to reserve judgement until the handicaps are announced, obviously with any system like this there will always be players that think it is unfair.... however I don't understand the logic in having a "team handicap" as that surely must penalise the "weakest" players in every team who will have the same penalty as the strongest player, when I thought the objective of this competition was to try to make better for the "weaker" teams and players....? |
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 19, 2013 0:09:42 GMT
P.S. Try not to score too many tonight , it will help your average I will obviously have to reserve judgement until the handicaps are announced, obviously with any system like this there will always be players that think it is unfair.... however I don't understand the logic in having a "team handicap" as that surely must penalise the "weakest" players in every team who will have the same penalty as the strongest player, when I thought the objective of this competition was to try to make better for the "weaker" teams and players....? I'm quite happy with this format it gives the weaker teams more of a chance and gives the stronger teams more of a challenge, bit of a half way house but the idea of making the cup more fun for more teams can only be good in the long run Well done lewes committee Regs cs |
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Post by JB on Nov 19, 2013 0:48:56 GMT
Personally I hate handicap systems.
Having said that well done to lewes for trying something different this year. I think if you look at last years averages the top players were still going for broke even though it was a 3k limit. (Could be wrong it was a long time ago!! Or was it off the spot?)
The trouble with having a limit is if you were 4k behind you couldn't catch. Off the spot the good players would still score mega.
This new format also gives the captains some role (apart from drawing names out the hat) .
Be interesting to see how this new format works. I'm sure there will be some for it and some against the same as the other ways that have been tried.
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Blubbering%maybe we could take that off 
, he did a telling off last week 
