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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 10:27:07 GMT
I was impressed by the enthusiasm of the young players there and the skills they showed and as far as the format and rules are concerned I wouldn't change a thing. Chris/Dave - don't let them nag you into turning it into 'just another Open' - it's unique and should stay that way even if the rules are not what we are used to! Tony LOL - Gets Kylie's vote as well:
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Post by barbelman on Mar 25, 2014 10:42:58 GMT
I was impressed by the enthusiasm of the young players there and the skills they showed and as far as the format and rules are concerned I wouldn't change a thing. Chris/Dave - don't let them nag you into turning it into 'just another Open' - it's unique and should stay that way even if the rules are not what we are used to! Tony LOL - Gets Kylie's vote as well: I think she did with her latest though Clive!! www.mtv.co.uk/kylie-minogue/news/kylie-minogue-works-up-a-sweat-in-new-sexercise-music-videoTony
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Post by milko on Mar 25, 2014 14:35:08 GMT
Just to add, to those people who left raffle tickets with us, that you didn't win anything, in fact I don't think any 3pinners won!! I blame Mrs Newson, as she pulled the tickets out......
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Post by daveuk1 on Mar 25, 2014 14:45:47 GMT
Chubbster's Rick Rolled YouI hear the room in the attic at the Mill is nice and cosy Well we played to OUR rules as we decided it was our open, along with Norwich. We don't give the break back, after all when the second player gets to the table there will never be more than two balls plus the cue ball on the table, if a player is good enough to benefit from the break then he should be good enough to pot all 3 balls and get the break back himself. I am sure we will talk about it at our next meeting. As far as the baulk line goes, there were a set of rules on every table that clearly show where are baulk line is. Using the red when ever it is available has been in our rules for as long as I can remember and I'M OLD so it's a long time. We are open to ideas on how to improve the Open, but I think changing the rules is a little over the top. We've had lots of good feed back although on the negative side wetherspoons did complain that we drunk them out of beer on the day Dave
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Post by milko on Mar 25, 2014 14:58:31 GMT
We've had lots of good feed back although on the negative side wetherspoons did complain that we drunk them out of beer on the day Dave Not me, honest! as I only drank two pints...............or was it GALLONS ? ...lovely jubbly
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Post by barbelman on Mar 25, 2014 16:51:21 GMT
We've had lots of good feed back although on the negative side wetherspoons did complain that we drunk them out of beer on the day Dave Not me, honest! as I only drank two pints.......... ...per hour!
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 25, 2014 17:06:48 GMT
nineteen in all over 3k - an exceptionally high standard for 4-Pin: 5270 Phil Osborne Eastbourne 1 4750 Phil Osborne Eastbourne 1 4620 Colin Southouse Eastbourne Q 4490 Curt Driver Kent 2 4360 Curt Driver Kent S 4360 Nigel Senior Sussex F 4330 Phil Osborne Eastbourne 2 4200 Colin Southouse Eastbourne 1 4180 Nigel Senior Sussex 2 4070 Curt Driver Kent S 3810 Colin Southouse Eastbourne 1 3640 Nigel Senior Sussex Q 3520 Gareth Dell Eastbourne 1 3410 Gareth Dell Eastbourne 1 3410 Mal Spier Sussex 1 3210 Chris Saville Kent Q 3070 Mal Spier Sussex 1 3070 Keith Sheard Oxon Q 3030 Lewis Stratford Oxon 2 Nice to see such a good performance from the Eastbourne 4 Pin Guys only playing the game for just over a season especially Phil Osborne with the top 2 scores of the day and also Gareth Dell get to the quarters in his first Open and Mike Reilly also a newcomer to county opens I am thinking about blowing my own trumpet regs cs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 17:24:30 GMT
my EASTBOURNE pal Phil Osborne who played brilliantly throughout with an average over 4k for the group stage thanks to practicing with 4 lumps of cheese placed strategically on his table in the conservatory Phil Osborne will henceforward be known as the BIG CHEESE.
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Post by Chris on Mar 25, 2014 19:19:22 GMT
Just to add, to those people who left raffle tickets with us, that you didn't win anything, in fact I don't think any 3pinners won!! I blame Mrs Newson, as she pulled the tickets out...... Well as usual Mr Sheard you are dead Yes I did help pull the tickets but it was totally fair, the best way to do a raffle I felt !!! Love to Lin x
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Post by NigelS on Mar 25, 2014 20:10:11 GMT
Chubbster's Rick Rolled YouI hear the room in the attic at the Mill is nice and cosy Well we played to OUR rules as we decided it was our open, along with Norwich. We don't give the break back, after all when the second player gets to the table there will never be more than two balls plus the cue ball on the table, if a player is good enough to benefit from the break then he should be good enough to pot all 3 balls and get the break back himself. I am sure we will talk about it at our next meeting. As far as the baulk line goes, there were a set of rules on every table that clearly show where are baulk line is. Using the red when ever it is available has been in our rules for as long as I can remember and I'M OLD so it's a long time. We are open to ideas on how to improve the Open, but I think changing the rules is a little over the top. We've had lots of good feed back although on the negative side wetherspoons did complain that we drunk them out of beer on the day Dave No problem with the baulk line rule and the red ball rule (which used to be a rule in 3 pin I think) I do think though equal breaks would be fairer. For instance in one of my games I lost the toss and was 700 down before I had a shot. I was still 700 down when I got the balls back after 10 minutes and I made 1,000 off that to get into the lead. I think it proves the break makes a difference and can be a significant advantage if you win the toss. Tournaments should be played on a level a playing field as possible and at least if both players have had a least one go at the break there can be no complaints. Imagine someone going off with over 1,000 or more and leaving the two balls both in the middle of the table - a bit harsh I think! Obviously this is not meant as a criticism, the tournament itself was a great success and look forward to defending the title next year
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Post by daveuk1 on Mar 25, 2014 20:31:55 GMT
phew,,,, I spoke to Jeremy on Sunday, but we couldn't remember where or when, I guess we now need to find a table where we can have a go at 3 pin, I don't think the Tavern at that time of night or was it morning was the best location although you still managed to trash the pants off us So let's now assess the damage that this weak moment has caused ! You and Jeremy are now entered for the following: SUSSEX OPEN XXI TO BE HELD AT ROFFEY CLUB, SPOONERS ROAD, HORSHAM, WEST SUSSEX, RH12 4DY SUNDAY 8TH JUNE 2014 Will you just be coming down on the day, or do you plan to make a whole weekend of it ? There will be competitions held at the venue on the Saturday that a worth a look (AM: Sussex U-30s; PM: Sussex Masters) and we have a venue in Crawley (about 6 miles back this way) which we can reserve for you for the whole evening to practice on if you wish. (Cheap beer, free table, in easy reach of a variety of takeaways (pizza, Chinese, fish'n'chips) or a sit-down Indian). hmmm I think I've mentioned it to you before Tommo, last time I stopped in Crawley was when I was doing some work for Thames water right near the end the end of the runway. I cant remember the name of the hotel, it could of been the George? it was on a slight hill and they held a market there. I spent most of my evenings down the road and round the corner in the Rat and parrot. I do remember there being lots of food shops about including a nice Indian Not sure what we will do yet, it's months away and we've still got to get our heads around entering, guess one of us will drive down so we will have to stop one night so we can have a drink, but that's the problem of your opens being held on a Sunday, we have to get back for work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2014 23:58:18 GMT
We are a bit limited with venues in the Horsham and Crawley urban areas, Dave, as the All-England venues map will show you: maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=104694377102614712000.000485981969d13618db1&ll=51.44716,-1.192017&spn=1.900042,6.696167&z=8&dg=feature Gone are the golden days of the 70's when nearly every pub in either town had a bar billiards table. Now there are only really two left in each. Margo happens to own one of the two left in Crawley but it's not in the High Street, it's in the satellite neighbourhood of Gossops Green (on the Horsham side of town, conveniently). But if you like we can reserve it for you for the evening when the time comes and you can play as many free games on it as you wish.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 26, 2014 8:53:04 GMT
Rules is rules, I have no problem with playing to them, but also I would hope that we can all see the benefits of the positive suggestions and as ive said before as a relative newcomer and I know people ( especially bar billiards players)don't like change for changes sake, but if I had my way I'd
1. change to 7 balls, reason for simplicity in playing both versions of the game on the same table 2. Change the bulk line rule, reason its impossible to get the ball out if its near the bulk line so not helpful in enjoyment 3. remove the red ball rule, reason it slows the game down and also causes problems with unforced fouls.
But don't forget everyone, I think 4 pin is BRILL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 9:21:05 GMT
I totally disagree with Gandalf. Those suggestions are a weak attempt to standardize, on two games that are totally different - long may it be so ! At the moment we are playing on benign tables, a sort of "3-Pin with an extra Pin". Traditional 4-Pin as played in London pubs in the 80's is all about "up and back" shots (off the top cush and back into the 50s, 100 and 200). The clue is in the position of the four mushrooms. A reverse nap on the cloth is required to enable this. As a consequence I didn't see too many of those shots on Saturday ! In order to level the playing field for the 4-Pinners we should: Play on 'Narrow' tables that are brushed back to front. QED LOL - we are like Lilliputians arguing over which end of a boiled egg to break !
Don't change a thing, Sudbury.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 26, 2014 10:47:59 GMT
Hi Tommo.
We have discussed this before and neither of our positions are likely to change.
So "Vive la Difference"
But I would hope that the discussion would allow others to think "is the game perfect now or could we make an improvement" for the better of the game rather than keeping things the same for the only reason of keeping things the same.
I would hope that this philosophy would be a good mantra for ALL sports
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perhaps luke would make a comment I see he is here
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Post by curtd on Mar 26, 2014 11:26:35 GMT
Hi All
IMHO the only thing that needs changing is the 2nd player in a game getting the balls back to the break position after the first players initial break has ended.
I accept that this is how you do it on match nights during the year. I would also suggest that this is what happens on most match nights in most leagues.We accept this because over the course of the season you would get your fair share of breaks and this would generally even itself out.
This is why I feel the break should come back to the second player as each one legged game is a "one off" and it should be only right and fair that both players get a fair crack at it.
Dave is correct when he says that there would only be 2 balls to get down for the 2nd player to get break back .......but..... the person who has the break hasn't had to do this so has had an advantage over player 2.
This would be my only change to what is a great competition.
Curt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 12:19:24 GMT
I agree with Curt really. It's not our place to try and change playing rules for a league of such long standing, and if we hold the summer league again, our playing rules will adhere 100% to Sudbury - wait for red ball, baulk extending to leatherette, only 6 whites et al. But a slight tweak for next year of shared breaks for the Open, a National competition, seems only right and proper and would silence most of the critics !
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Post by milko on Mar 26, 2014 15:32:14 GMT
I don't think there's any need for major changes but maybe.... 1..Putting two more pegs where the 3pin pegs go. 2..Starting the game with one white ball in each corner. 3..Doing away with the front spot to stop players getting the break monotonously. 4..Trebling the points for the red ball. 5..Making the 200 pocket worth 300pts. 6..Making the 100 pocket worth 200pts. 7..Giving players no longer than 10secs to play each shot. 8..Stop watches on each table. 9..Previous finalists to play with an eye patch on. 10..No more than 5 shots per break. What do you all think ? Milko
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Mar 26, 2014 15:50:24 GMT
I'd have to vote for rule 9 milko
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Post by curtd on Mar 26, 2014 15:54:30 GMT
I hope that's not 1 eye patch per final ?? I won't see much next year
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 17:22:09 GMT
I hope that's not 1 eye patch per final ??
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Post by Colemanator on Mar 26, 2014 22:42:56 GMT
I totally agree with Curt, the only thing that needs changing is the 2nd player in a game getting the balls back to the break position after the first players initial break has ended. It's a great competition and long may it continue. One thing a local player there ( Nice chap called Graham who scored a lot of games) asked me when were we going to run it, I think he thought that due to my Northants vicinity that I am a 4 pin player from Wellingborough.
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