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Post by Chris_Sav on May 20, 2014 13:59:06 GMT
Mark, I'll keep a close eye on comments and lock this if it gets out of hand.
I cannot play in the AE Team Champs myself, despite twice being a winning captain, as I play Dover and Deal in a team that is not interested but not any other league - hence my interest. I played unwittingly for a Tunbridge Wells team a few years back and only subsequently realised I was not legal, thus I do not now play despite Tunbridge Wells asking me last year.
The critical rules, freely available on the AEBBA website To me his registration would appear to contradict both rules, but obviously I do not know the specifics Sav
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 20, 2014 15:11:24 GMT
Im not going to start going both barrels here, but I have one question.
We went with a team that had Phil Collins in. Surely if we played him illegitimately then we wouldnt of been allowed to enter the event, nor even have the thought of entering entertained because AEBBA rules apply throughout the entire competition from qualifying to the main event. My question is why now is this a problem because we are now through? I.e you surely cant move the goal posts...?
Apologies Sav if this leads to anarchy, im trying to be as reasonable and repectful as I can.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 20, 2014 15:16:37 GMT
And without trying to be provocative, would playing with the team we brought with us of been a problem had we of flopped like many would of thought? Because I believe everyone was quite happy for us to play (until we won) because it brought along extra participation, thus making it such a good day to attend.
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 20, 2014 15:28:23 GMT
And correct me if im wrong on this, but Kevin Tunstall (Sussex) and his side showed up with Geoff Jukes (Surrey) as his guest a few years back. Was Geoff playing regularly in that respective league?
Sorry but the impression I got from pretty much everyone we spoke to on the day was that you could sign the man in the moon onto your team as a guest?
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 20, 2014 15:37:17 GMT
Congratulations Berensfield SC a great result and wonderful to see a new name representing Oxford in the County Championships. Thank you for the kind words Colin.
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Post by Ian Gordon on May 20, 2014 15:50:50 GMT
And correct me if im wrong on this, but Kevin Tunstall (Sussex) and his side showed up with Geoff Jukes (Surrey) as his guest a few years back. Was Geoff playing regularly in that respective league? In answer to your question yes he does. He plays at the blue anchor in the worthing league which is under the Sussex County. Sent from my GT-I9305 using proboards
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Post by milhouse on May 20, 2014 15:57:36 GMT
Phil, look back through the posts on here, i quoted the rules and explained that Phil was not signed on for a team in the Oxford League and was therefore ineligible. Bletchingdon were wanting to play a guest player and asked me if that was ok, but i explained that he was ineligible and they therefore asked someone else. It was a similar case as they did not play in the league their team was from.
You chose to ignore this rule and turned up with him anyway. I explained this to Craig at the start of the day (The reason why Geoff was in a mood with me all day!) that we would allow you to enter the team and if you won, then i would need to get a ruling from All England.
I for one said to others that with Phil & Simon in your team would stood a great chance of winning and that proved me right as you did win and both players won all their games.
The situation you mention with Geoff Jukes is totally different as that was to do with Geoff playing county for Surrey and AE team for Sussex.
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Post by barbelman on May 20, 2014 16:50:21 GMT
Phil, look back through the posts on here, i quoted the rules and explained that Phil was not signed on for a team in the Oxford League and was therefore ineligible. Bletchingdon were wanting to play a guest player and asked me if that was ok, but i explained that he was ineligible and they therefore asked someone else. It was a similar case as they did not play in the league their team was from. You chose to ignore this rule and turned up with him anyway. I explained this to Craig at the start of the day (The reason why Geoff was in a mood with me all day!) that we would allow you to enter the team and if you won, then i would need to get a ruling from All England. I for one said to others that with Phil & Simon in your team would stood a great chance of winning and that proved me right as you did win and both players won all their games. The situation you mention with Geoff Jukes is totally different as that was to do with Geoff playing county for Surrey and AE team for Sussex. I can confirm that this was exactly what happened on the day and that the Berinsfield captain was fully aware of the situation. It's not Mark's fault that those are the rules Phil I think perhaps, looking forward, that as long as Berinsfield turn up with a team that is "legal" there is no reason they shouldn't play on the big day. Tony
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Post by barbelman on May 20, 2014 16:53:33 GMT
PS I totally agree that It was really nice to see a new team as County champions by the way... Just sorry it wasn't the Lamb & Flag. Tony
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Post by milhouse on May 20, 2014 17:19:35 GMT
PS I totally agree that It was really nice to see a new team as County champions by the way... Just sorry it wasn't the Lamb & Flag. Tony That's what you get when you win the first game 5-0 ! Maybe i should have not given you any breaks
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Post by milko on May 20, 2014 17:20:06 GMT
can confirm that this was exactly what happened on the day and that the Berinsfield captain was fully aware of the situation. It's not Mark's fault that those are the rules Phil I think perhaps, looking forward, that as long as Berinsfield turn up with a team that is "legal" there is no reason they shouldn't play on the big day. Tony, I totally disagree with you (and that's a first ) because without Phil Collins's five points they would not have finished top, so the team that finished 2nd should represent Oxfordshire. Keith
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 20, 2014 17:50:03 GMT
Well whatever happens, whether we come up with a resolution or we take Keith's stance and have us thrown out altogether and have the book thrown at us (no disrespect intended), then at least Im glad i had the opportunity. I just feel a bit dogged off because i probably wont get to a stage where i can go to the big day again should the AEBBA rule accordingly. A, because Bar Billiards probably wont exist by then and B, because ability wise i dont believe im there yet.
In all fairness Tony im not having a go at Mark, i wouldnt want to be in his position and ive nothing but respect for the job hes taken on, what im annoyed about is that i feel the day has been marred, particularly given the results we pulled off, i dont remember a happier day since i started playing. But what the AEBBA will say when the time comes goes I suppose.
But hey, it all may well be rectified, you never know.
Also, fair enough regarding Geoff Jukes, i wasnt actually aware he was playing in Worthing as well as Redhill, which in turn was a bit impertinent of me to start throwing the mans name around when hes nothing to do with it, just a bit disheartened.
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Post by craig mace on May 20, 2014 18:34:48 GMT
wow first of all i love the fact oxford are kicking up at there own county + there representatives
phil is going to be playing in didcot cc in there gracy j's semi final this means he played last game of season and possibly finals should they get there i offered up a solution by sighing him on for the summer league and playing him regularly (oxford summer that is) this got shot down even though summer league is an official league with trophies and competitiveness
if you kick us out for WINNING a tournament then fine it who gives a dam just shows some people cant hack loosing to weaker teams
and onto your comments keith about dropping 5 points i could have got someone to play who might have snatched us 5 points but i didn't i tried to keep someone like phil interested in playing so i guess im the bad guy AGAIN!
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Post by craig mace on May 20, 2014 18:38:38 GMT
Phil, look back through the posts on here, i quoted the rules and explained that Phil was not signed on for a team in the Oxford League and was therefore ineligible. Bletchingdon were wanting to play a guest player and asked me if that was ok, but i explained that he was ineligible and they therefore asked someone else. It was a similar case as they did not play in the league their team was from. You chose to ignore this rule and turned up with him anyway. I explained this to Craig at the start of the day (The reason why Geoff was in a mood with me all day!) that we would allow you to enter the team and if you won, then i would need to get a ruling from All England. I for one said to others that with Phil & Simon in your team would stood a great chance of winning and that proved me right as you did win and both players won all their games. The situation you mention with Geoff Jukes is totally different as that was to do with Geoff playing county for Surrey and AE team for Sussex. I can confirm that this was exactly what happened on the day and that the Berinsfield captain was fully aware of the situation. It's not Mark's fault that those are the rules Phil I think perhaps, looking forward, that as long as Berinsfield turn up with a team that is "legal" there is no reason they shouldn't play on the big day. Tony im not changing the team i took to the day we all played our harts out to make it a good day if you wana take it away crack on but i will stand by the players i took and who played and represented berinsfield
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Post by milhouse on May 20, 2014 19:12:00 GMT
wow first of all i love the fact oxford are kicking up at there own county + there representatives phil is going to be playing in didcot cc in there gracy j's semi final this means he played last game of season and possibly finals should they get there i offered up a solution by sighing him on for the summer league and playing him regularly (oxford summer that is) this got shot down even though summer league is an official league with trophies and competitiveness if you kick us out for WINNING a tournament then fine it who gives a dam just shows some people cant hack loosing to weaker teamsand onto your comments keith about dropping 5 points i could have got someone to play who might have snatched us 5 points but i didn't i tried to keep someone like phil interested in playing so i guess im the bad guy AGAIN! Craig, sorry but this comment is bang out of order You were told BEFORE the day that Phil could not play and you chose to turn up anyway to try and put us on the spot. You were then told BEFORE the day started that if you won, you possibly may not go through to the finals because of this. You still chose to play. To now say we are kicking up a fuss and we can't hack losing to weaker teams, this is totally out of order as you had been warned twice before the competition had started that this could happen, it has nothing personal to do with any team or individuals involved. If this is what i am giving up my free time for, you can forget it Shortest County Secretary ever ?
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Post by barbelman on May 20, 2014 19:23:13 GMT
I have locked this thread pending a decision from the AEBBA committee, and to give everyone a chance to calm down.
Any attempts to restart it will be deleted.
I thought it was a smashing day whatever.
Tony
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