Bar Billiards Timeline

[milko]

Oxfordshire Open Winner Steven Sheard & Plate Winner Ian Moss in 2011

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Thanks Keith for the latest batch,

I am really only after pics up to and including 2008, as the chances are that everything after that date will be covered in Nigel's Newsletters - to which the links are given in the respective year.

However I will check the ones you've given me and if they provide something we haven't seen before, I'll include them.

Cheers,
tommo


Pics added where appropriate - tommo

Oct 17, 2014 14:00:32 GMT milko said:

Pauline Withey who won the British Ladies Open in 2001

Have to correct you there, Keith.......Auntie Pauline won the 2nd Special Ladies Open in 2001: BIOC Ladies that year was won by Bella from Alison...... Fazza's BBQ42 refers.

Pic added anyway !

[milko]

Oct 17, 2014 17:45:56 GMT tommo III said:

Oct 17, 2014 14:00:32 GMT milko said:

Pauline Withey who won the British Ladies Open in 2001

Have to correct you there, Keith.......Auntie Pauline won the 2nd Special Ladies Open in 2001: BIOC Ladies that year was won by Bella from Alison...... Fazza's BBQ42 refers.

Pic added anyway !

Sorry Clive, I went by the No of the photo (001) so thought it was that year.
The picture below gave me loads of clues to the date 1.It was taken at Morris Motors where we used to play. 2.The plans for the new bulding are on the wall. 3.Pauline has got an old Oxford Mail report on the notice board when she won the AE Ladies singles the year before. 4.It says on the cup (British Isles Ladies Open Winner). 5.I clicked on the photo and it told me it was taken on 16/2/05 , so I hope I'm correct in saying that it was in 2005 ?

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Thanks Keith,

Yes, Auntie Pauline won both competitions in that year.

pic added.

Timeline (3 of 3) was beginning to look unwieldy, with the front end (2007 and 2008) loaded with pics.
With a bit of wizardry, therefore, I've given the two years their own pages, with a link to dial them up similar to how Nigel's Newsletters are accessed.

[milko]

Clive, here's the ladies England team for 1993 at the Mayfair, you already have the mens pic.

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Added, Jan, Sue, Debbie, Pauline, Gail, Susie, Alison: hope I've put the names to the faces correctly.

For your dilectation, here is a complete summary record of all Opens played to date:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vS-T10SoIeVdSyQ8ht9_-OAB7A4rk39xS1X7cKYKWWIXksw5bQXq1dEWJmcO7sH6gbs-P25VU_OYK2N/pub

I will follow up with an equivalent webpages for all the AEBBA events, including:

• Laydees, Yoof and Old Gits
• Pairs Competitions and Team events.

This is intended to serve as an 'Index' for use with the Timeline files already bein maintained: as ever, AEBBA are welcome to use this information as they see fit.

In the process of adding "Jersey".........bear with !



World Champs added 16/6/18
AEBBA Singles and Grand Prix added 17/6/18

Jun 13, 2018 17:10:16 GMT tommo III said:

I will follow up with an equivalent webpages for all the AEBBA events, including:

• Laydees, Yoof and Old Gits
• Pairs Competitions and Team events.

Here is a complete summary of the Ladies major competitions:
docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRVJFOIwMWQ_HOH8-vSGg-wlteB0TCb2XqVVTNrCk_t061VCjDSa047_0Zg91lziBLP-NmOChRDoj7v/pub

Chrissie may find the above interesting, referring to her quote below:

I have won AEBBA Ladies IKO 5+ times... Played the table out in a an AEBBA Final at Oxford for over 11K.. ( Has Nigel got that one on record ? ) and with a broken arm !!! Hence I won it when plastered !!!

There are just a couple of gaps, Chrissie, are you able to fill them ? All the AEBBA event transcripts can be found on the AEBBA website although using the drop-down memus is a bit of a trial at the moment.


Yoof and Old Gits will be tacked on later when I get the chance.
Again, this is intended to serve as an 'Index' for use with the AEBBA files already recorded.


Old Gits added 17/6/17
Whippersnappers added 17/6/17
Ladies County added 18/6/17

[Chris]

Hi Clive

Some of the early info is incorrect. I beat Viv Shepherd in Portsmouth at the Labour Club in what was Arundel Street. It used to be then that if you won it was hosted in your county. It must be on the trophy surely ? I am sure I cut into her run in the early days - hey I may have remembered it wrong - she was a really good player

I also played at Oxford Football Social Club I am sure - I don't have my trophies anymore so can't enlighten you re the year

Sorry Clive

Thanks Chrissie,
Believe it or not that information is vital. For 1975 and 1978 I have Lakers Hotel (Horley) down as the venue and made the (false) assumption that it was held there in the two years in between. I would imagine in one of those two years Viv was your beaten opponent. Can you recall who the other gal was that you beat for the title in those early years ? Also, where the competition was held when you beat Sheila Pinner in 1984 ?

My information comes from a mixture of Sav's former AEBBA site, early press clippings submitted by Charlie Cordery - what a pioneer for the game at a national level ! - and Fazza's Bar Billiards Quarterlies.

So we are reliant on people like yourself who were actually there and lived the dream !

[Chris]

Hi Clive

I played at Lakers only once. That I do know .. upstairs I have all of the Portsmouth history .. I will look at the contents.

The year I won in at the Labour Club I won a Bar Billiard table and gave it to the Penhale Arms Fratton Road now sadly gone.

Trouble was Clive I was under age so all was low profile then as I should not have been playing Pompey League.

xx

National Pairs and Team summary page:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vSW6x2hLVmWM0QX09CgwZZ3LkSJbHRbTXnmddxUSZeNpI_8bX2yQzvcXR4Qo4ZQN1rJudm6tv3toThQ/pub


County and National Team Competition added 19/6/18
Internationals added 20/6/18

Quick way to access:

TIMELINE OF NATIONAL COMPETITION WINNERS: (1) 1972-on (2) 1991-on (3) 2007-on
(4) SummaryIndivs/Opens (5) Pairs/TeamSummary (6) Ladies/AgeRestrictSummary

......OR, you can now go straight in by clicking on the top menu of the Forum welcome page. Many thanks to Sav for providing this facility.


Just to add that Nigel is currently preparing an enhancement to the Tournament Files displayed on the AEBBA website, which will not only list past winners (like this does in simplistic form) - but his will also be a much more detailed analysis, listing highest breaks and best all-time performers for each competition.

Have added this to the Timeline, as I consider it to have a certain importance as regards the place of bar billiards within the larger picture:

Nov 2014: Launch of the ‘Traditional Sports and Games - European Platform’, whose mission is:
‘To serve as a European resource hub that stimulates the sharing of TSG policy, knowledge and practice, ultimately increasing the number of institutions and individuals involved in TSG. We hope this will bring us to a united Europe, eternally rich and diverse in TSG.
The first SETS Conference took place in hotel Park Plaza Amsterdam Airport Wed 19th - Fri 21st November 2014; Participants: delegates from Denmark, Netherlands, Poland. Belgium, Greece. Chris Saville represents England with full blessing of the AEBBA, taking a demonstration table over to the continent, but with limited aspirations:
“To summarise we appear to have no real ideas to change what we are already doing apart from applying to the sports council. The only benefit from the EU would be funding to help our spiralling costs and possibly to pay someone semi- professionally for the time all this organisation takes and enable an expansion of attempts to sell the game.”
Slide show presentation:
www.slideshare.net/SETS_2015/all-england-bar-billiards-association-chris-saville
Post-conference report:
“Basically I had vague hopes that SETS would be a cavalry riding over the hill to save us with potential funding to help us run road-shows and other suggestions for new ways of taking our game to the next generations. That will not happen. The conference was too wide a church with reps from massive associations representing hundreds of thousands such as the Highland Games and Irish Gaelic Games, reps from umbrella associations and - Bar Billiards, Bat & Trap and Table Skittles (not Devil Among The Tailors) from England.
The clue was in the title 'Sports and Games' They are sports and we are games. Sports have benefits that can be taken to schools and universities. They have their own heritage and traditions which are a selling point. The three English games have no tangible heritage and tradition, our heritage is basically based on the unique local pub tradition in the UK. Pubs and alcohol cannot be promoted to the younger generations. This equally applies to so many other traditional English games such as Shove Halfpenny and 'Devil Among the Tailors'. Thus the only recommendation to come from the conference was to take the English games out of pubs and into Youth Clubs etc. The conference was heavily based on the bigger picture, possible Olympic inclusion and umbrella associations and a lot of it whistled over our heads. The final day was heavily based on UNESCO with a representative talking about UNESCO's work on preserving traditional games. Only one country in this part of Europe has not signed up to the conventions - yes, you got it! the UK. That thus had little interest to us. You might research it and write to your MP's as to why the UK is the only European government not to ratify the treaty.
On the positive side the conference was an eye opener with good contacts made with the other English games and we are going to look at possible cooperation between the English traditional games (and possibly others) and try to organise some cross pollination meetings that would have far more chance of attracting public attention than any of our games in isolation. Finance will be an obvious problem.
The three of us had dinner with the President of the European Traditional Games and Sports Association and that association has no pyramid structure of major and minor games, all are equal, it may be that ETGSA is the umbrella association that might interest us. I will be looking into this association further.
A lot of hard work went into the conference by the organisers and it was well run, though possibly the timetable could have been more flexible when important points had been identified. They certainly looked after us. We were the first of three conferences across Europe so there will have been a learning curve for the organisers.” - Chris Saville.

Timeline now also accessible via a direct link on Wikipedia.

Thought I'd do an extract showing a 3-year rolling summary of the most recent performances in Opens plus the flagship events:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRo6l4yaiEz5a672ajVdbvPifMJpfOMFemONqwggBsSh1Gw4_gV66w6-BxpxDuIzStGPlBXUFtfRxBT/pub

The purpose is to highlight the players in form and give some idea where their ranking points emanate - until the official stuff becomes visible again.

If this gets some 'likes' I'll add the same for Pairs, Team, Laydees, Age restriction  etc.

tommo

Jul 1, 2019 12:12:11 GMT tommo III said:

Thought I'd do an extract showing a 3-year rolling summary of the most recent performances in Opens plus the flagship events:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vRo6l4yaiEz5a672ajVdbvPifMJpfOMFemONqwggBsSh1Gw4_gV66w6-BxpxDuIzStGPlBXUFtfRxBT/pub

The purpose is to highlight the players in form and give some idea where their ranking points emanate - until the official stuff becomes visible again.

If this gets some 'likes' I'll add the same for Pairs, Team, Laydees, Age restriction  etc.

tommo

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQQsudMnafHqYoItO9LBvWnlzL52_vx-1MILnuAqYo0a20LWw0KFSYUlYHhnaA34dNTDiS8hdUlXfma/pub

Tommo's been busy again, have now complied a FAMOUS NAMES page listing 20 celebrities who have a past association wth our game.

Here is a quick link you can click on for convenience:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTKXf66Aj-YjS_L8vvSGs5y7_71IergdPEkUNXc7YKkJKqG7pQn9UeQgz2M-utCFusYnYFWUl9c14qv/pub

OR, you can access via the portal in "Comp Timeline" in top right hand corner of each Forum page - or even by visiting Wikipedia !!!

[davejones]

Nov 7, 2020 18:59:48 GMT tommo III said:

Tommo's been busy again, have now complied a FAMOUS NAMES page listing 20 celebrities who have a past association wth our game.

Here is a quick link you can click on for convenience:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTKXf66Aj-YjS_L8vvSGs5y7_71IergdPEkUNXc7YKkJKqG7pQn9UeQgz2M-utCFusYnYFWUl9c14qv/pub

OR, you can access via the portal in "Comp Timeline" in top right hand corner of each Forum page - or even by visiting Wikipedia !!!

Worthing bar billiards also had a few Brighton league players to give out the trophies on presentation nights held at the Empire club in Lancing. A few regular players used to come down including Mark Lawrensonn, Gerry Ryan and a few others.

Nov 7, 2020 20:47:05 GMT davejones said:

Worthing bar billiards also had a few Brighton league players to give out the trophies on presentation nights held at the Empire club in Lancing. A few regular players used to come down including Mark Lawrensonn, Gerry Ryan and a few others.

Yup, already included that, Dave.

Gerry number 11, Mark number 12, and quoting you (in blue) in between the two.

[marmite]

Nov 7, 2020 18:59:48 GMT tommo III said:

Tommo's been busy again, have now complied a FAMOUS NAMES page listing 20 celebrities who have a past association wth our game.

Here is a quick link you can click on for convenience:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTKXf66Aj-YjS_L8vvSGs5y7_71IergdPEkUNXc7YKkJKqG7pQn9UeQgz2M-utCFusYnYFWUl9c14qv/pub

OR, you can access via the portal in "Comp Timeline" in top right hand corner of each Forum page - or even by visiting Wikipedia !!!

My memory of Reggie Bosanquet was at an all England team finals, i was playing and had a nice break for me of about 8K going when i left the white directly  behind the 100 hole, i went with right hand side avoiding the black to clip it, unfortunately i allowed too much and missed the ball on the way up, it then took the side off the back cushion and potted the white into the 100 keeping my break.  Coming off the table Reggie told me ( slightly innebriatedly ) that was the best shot he had ever seen, fame at last, I did nt have the heart to tell him it was unintentional.

[SirKT]

Reggie B was always pissed, saw him a few times 😜

[Chris_Sav]

Not Boosey Bosey surely!

[Sir Chancelot]

Nov 7, 2020 21:19:56 GMT tommo III said:

Nov 7, 2020 20:47:05 GMT davejones said:

Worthing bar billiards also had a few Brighton league players to give out the trophies on presentation nights held at the Empire club in Lancing. A few regular players used to come down including Mark Lawrensonn, Gerry Ryan and a few others.

Yup, already included that, Dave.

Gerry number 11, Mark number 12, and quoting you (in blue) in between the two.

.

[Sir Chancelot]

Nov 8, 2020 10:34:10 GMT marmite said:

Nov 7, 2020 18:59:48 GMT tommo III said:

Tommo's been busy again, have now complied a FAMOUS NAMES page listing 20 celebrities who have a past association wth our game.

Here is a quick link you can click on for convenience:

docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTKXf66Aj-YjS_L8vvSGs5y7_71IergdPEkUNXc7YKkJKqG7pQn9UeQgz2M-utCFusYnYFWUl9c14qv/pub

OR, you can access via the portal in "Comp Timeline" in top right hand corner of each Forum page - or even by visiting Wikipedia !!!

My memory of Reggie Bosanquet was at an all England team finals, i was playing and had a nice break for me of about 8K going when i left the white directly  behind the 100 hole, i went with right hand side avoiding the black to clip it, unfortunately i allowed too much and missed the ball on the way up, it then took the side off the back cushion and potted the white into the 100 keeping my break.  Coming off the table Reggie told me ( slightly innebriatedly ) that was the best shot he had ever seen, fame at last, I did nt have the heart to tell him it was unintentional.

What about Ian Champion. Star of Blind Date. Surely worth a mention.

Nov 8, 2020 17:10:14 GMT Sir Chancelot said:

What about Ian Champion. Star of Blind Date. Surely worth a mention.

Champs would fall into a slightly different category, Normsk ........... that of non-celebrity bar billiards players who happen to have appeared on telly, but not playing b-bs.

Well do I remember poor Champs being rejected by that tart, he behaved with dignity and came across as an absolute diamond of a human being. Reckon he had a lucky escape there !

There are others who would qualify if I were to include that category:

• Andy Meldrum Jr. of Crawley League who appeared on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire but reckons he got stitched up in the "Fastest Finger First" (he was recorded as 10 secs, but reckons it was more like one !!!);

• Brian Howard, L/V/P of Horsham League, appeared with his family on Family Fortunes but unfortunately it was their rivals who made it through to the final stage;

• Martin Pellett of Redhill League who was on some more obscure quiz show, where he too was so obviously stitched up as all his opponents' questions were dead easy and his were ridiculously hard. You could tell his annoyance in his face;
  

• Margo has appeared on local TV, a programme about the manufacturing industry, she was shown (in a blue gown) making printed circuit boards.  I would be very surprised too if Mr Gallienne hadn't appeared on Channel Islands TV at some stage.

Well, at least we've given them honourable mention on here .........

[dillon]

1973, prime time Christmas Eve on ITV. Filmed at Granada TV studios in Manchester. Joseph and the Amazing Technicolour Dreamcoat. Surely you all recognise me!!!? We cut a disc on Polydor too. Fame indeed.