David.G
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Post by David.G on Nov 30, 2014 21:37:52 GMT
Hi All
Here are the proposals up for discussion on 7th December
Proposal 1
From PETE SAINSBURY / CHRIS SAVILLE
7a to read " The day to day administration of the association will be vested in a committee consisting of Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer, Assistant Secretary, Competition Secretary and 3 committee members." 7b to read 3 committee members to be co-opted annually by the officers of the association. 7c to read " The committee shall meet from time to time as deemed necessary 5 officers or committee members to form a quorum, including the Chairman or vice Chairman"
Proposal 2
From CHRIS SAVILLE / CHRISSIE NEWSON
Rule 55 to be amendment
a) One guest player from any county will be allowed, provided that he has not played for any other team in that year's competition.
e) County champions will normally represent their counties at the Grand Finals. In the event that County champions are not available, another team from that county will be allowed to represent their county providing they meet all other eligibility requirements of the competition.
Sections b) c) & d) to remain in force.
Two other proposals were received after the cut off date and will therefore not be proposed this year
However if needed they can be heard during "Any other business"
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Post by barbelman on Dec 1, 2014 9:24:26 GMT
Two other proposals were received after the cut off date and will therefore not be proposed this year However if needed they can be heard during "Any other business" I am very, very annoyed that these proposals have been disallowed due to a (moot) late entry. The intransigence of the committee on this matter means that we will end up with another unsatisfactory (IMHO) set of rules after not being allowed to discuss all the possibilities due to an archaic twenty-one day rule and that rule in itself is daft because it is now only seven days to the AGM - is that really time for County Secretaries to disseminate and discuss the proposals with it's member associations? Democracy at work? - I don't think so! Tony
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David.G
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Post by David.G on Dec 1, 2014 10:02:20 GMT
For the sake of democracy here is a copy of the two late proposals
From DAVE INGRAM / TONY WILLIS
Revised proposal to amend Rule 55) Pub/Club Team Competition Rules:
a) All counties must hold a separate qualifying competition for teams that wish to enter this competition, the format for the qualifying event will be at the discretion of each individual county. If only one team within a county wish to enter, they will be declared the winners with no competition necessary.
b) A team may enter a guest player PROVIDED he only plays for the team he is guesting for (and plays regularly for a Team within ANY League in the same county). Players are not restricted to the one county rule, rule 47), in this competition, provided they fulfil the other criteria.
c) Players must be registered for the host venue and the same league at the start of the calendar year.
d) Teams from the same league within a host venue may amalgamate.
e) No player may play for more than one team during the same year.
f) Registration forms must be supplied (normally by the County Secretary) to the A.E.B.B.A. Secretary by the end of August of that year's competition, to allow scrutineering. Failure to comply with this will result in automatic disqualification from the finals.
g) County champions will represent their counties at the Grand Finals.
I have highlighted in bold the changes to the existing rule.
From DAVE TOOKE / PHIL HAWKINS
Due to the fact that we always seem to struggle to get scorers we would like to propose that in all tournaments the losing player will score the next game
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Post by milko on Dec 1, 2014 13:09:26 GMT
Two other proposals were received after the cut off date and will therefore not be proposed this year However if needed they can be heard during "Any other business" I am very, very annoyed that these proposals have been disallowed due to a (moot) late entry. The intransigence of the committee on this matter means that we will end up with another unsatisfactory (IMHO) set of rules after not being allowed to discuss all the possibilities due to an archaic twenty-one day rule and that rule in itself is daft because it is now only seven days to the AGM - is that really time for County Secretaries to disseminate and discuss the proposals with it's member associations? Democracy at work? - I don't think so! Tony Tony, that "archaic" rule was only proposed by me and passed at the 2010 AGM, as it use to be 14 days! Do I take it then that either 1.The AEBBA Secretary has not sent the proposals in writing to the County Secretaries ? or 2. The County Secretaries haven't sent them to the Association Secretaries ? You know how I feel, if the rule says to be with the Secretary within 21 days then 21 days it should be. Keith
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Post by Chris on Dec 1, 2014 22:11:52 GMT
Keith
If the proposals were late, then they would not have been sent?? So the questions are not relevant?
Chris x
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Post by BB Warrior on Dec 1, 2014 22:39:35 GMT
Keith If the proposals were late, then they would not have been sent?? So the questions are not relevant? Chris x I would guess that Keith is referring to the proposals that were received in time. The proposal that I submitted would have been received by Dave Alder by email on Monday 17th November, although I will say that I am disappointed that it wasn't allowed I do understand that rules are there for a reason. Depending on the result of another proposal that has been received in time, my proposal will be submitted again for the 2015 AGM immediately after the end of the 2014 meeting, nobody can then tell me that it was not received in time them!
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Post by milko on Dec 2, 2014 17:21:14 GMT
Sorry Chrissie, did I confuse you ? Yes, Dave is correct, perhaps I should have quoted parts of Tony's post and then put my comments after! Keith
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 22:55:38 GMT
Hi All Here are the proposals up for discussion on 7th December Proposal 1 From PETE SAINSBURY / CHRIS SAVILLE 7a to read " The day to day administration of the association will be vested in a committee consisting of Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary, Treasurer, Assistant Secretary, Competition Secretary and 3 committee members." 7b to read 3 committee members to be co-opted annually by the officers of the association. 7c to read " The committee shall meet from time to time as deemed necessary 5 officers or committee members to form a quorum, including the Chairman or vice Chairman" Proposal 2 From CHRIS SAVILLE / CHRISSIE NEWSON Rule 55 to be amendment a) One guest player from any county will be allowed, provided that he has not played for any other team in that year's competition. e) County champions will normally represent their counties at the Grand Finals. In the event that County champions are not available, another team from that county will be allowed to represent their county providing they meet all other eligibility requirements of the competition. Sections b) c) & d) to remain in force. Two other proposals were received after the cut off date and will therefore not be proposed this year However if needed they can be heard during "Any other business" Going back two years............... Anyone able to confirm whether the above amendments were passed ? I ask this as the record of the 2014 AGM minutes seem to have become 'lost' when the AEBBA website was removed. (Well, I've searched the Forum but can't find a record of them anywhere !) We have the 2015 minutes courtesy of Lorin Clough, and hopefully the 2016 minutes are being worked on as we speak ! The last fully updated set of AEBBA Rules were issued following the AGM of 2013.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 28, 2016 9:11:28 GMT
The minutes were not 'lost' when the web site died, the entire contents of the website including the minutes were given to AEBBA for continuity. Similarly I used to update the rules annually.
In the two years that have followed those minutes have not been republished or the rules updated. The 'new' website does not appear to go beyond 2009 for rules.
That is where the website was principally an information centre and the forum a discussion area and thus incomplete on library references.
If wanted I could start a locked thread on AGM minutes for historical purposes, as I have them all from the old website, but feel this may be treading on AEBBA toes as they are AEBBA minutes to maintain and publish where they see fit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:28:43 GMT
Not seeking recriminations, but purely trying to avoid a situation similar to the one we had ten years ago when they had got hopelessly out of date.
I'd offer to do the collation myself if others were too busy, and submit them for re-issue, but would firstly need to be given the answer to my questions above.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 11:49:28 GMT
As luck would have it, I've discovered that I saved a copy of the 2014 minutes on file, so can answer the question myself ........ - Changes to 7a, 7b and 7c were passed..... - Can find no mention on the minutes of Rule 55 so can only presume that that particular proposal was withdrawn, a rival wording having also been submitted but not in time to be considered for discussion. An amendment on Rule 55 went through successfully a year later.
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Post by Chris on Dec 28, 2016 18:21:29 GMT
I cannot open what you have Clive and as I wrote the minutes wanted to check first.
Thanks Chris
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Post by Chris on Dec 28, 2016 18:25:01 GMT
Excellent idea Sav regardless of sites.
The AEBBA site is a history - I see no reason why some parts should not be on both.
Thank you - your offer is appreciated and accepted.
Thanks Chris
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Post by Chris on Dec 28, 2016 19:22:35 GMT
Hi Clive
Have managed to open - what you have is a full record of the minutes which I submitted.
Thanks Chris
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2016 20:15:08 GMT
Thank you Chrissie, In order to provide us with a completely up-to-date set of Rules, these are the passed amendments which I believe are now necessary to be included:
07/12/2014) constitutional change to Rule 7 (now 7a, 7b and 7c).
06/12/2015) Rules 40 & 40a re-defined for Ladies County Championships eligibility. Rule 19) independent verification of AEBBA accounts. Rule 19a) Definition given of Financial Year. Rule 55) amendment on qualification for All-England Team Championship.
04/12/2016) Changes to Competition definitions in Rules 3) and 54). Rules 40) and 36) changes to structure of County Championships.
Rgds, tommo
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