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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 22:47:35 GMT
We will continue to come up with such ideas with only the interest of promoting 4 pin, making the rules fairer and modernised to increase its exposure and with only the best intentions. I personally am saddened that whatever suggestions are made are ignored simply to keep the status quo, So, seeing as you've pooh-poohed my idea for the last ball shot, what was yours again ?
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 13, 2015 0:20:50 GMT
Others in Eastbourne agree with your idea Tommo, I like the any pocket off 1 cushion rule, (its harder than the current Sudbury rule "any pocket off any cushion"), but it requires the scorer to grab the ball once it hits the back cushion and before it falls into a hole, which as I've said is untidy and errors can occur... how about blocking the bottom cushions as you suggest and leaving the pins up giving the player a chance of 50, 100 or 200 off the side. its clean and easy to administer but does make the 100 shot slightly harder. Just to advise , I'm not a "dictator" here, all the rules we have come up with have been discussed at length with the Eastbourne group and approved but it's a work in progress and we do listen to other members of the group and anyone else who offers comment. Once we have played the interleague I hope that Nigel will come up with some pertinent points, I'm sure others will regard his ideas as useful and constructive.
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Post by NigelS on Aug 13, 2015 10:48:28 GMT
Hi guys
Have to say I have enjoyed the 4 pin this summer. It’s made a nice change to play something different. Tables have been good, the breaks have been gettable one way or another, but you are still risking a peg out with every 50-50 break shot, which for me keeps in the spirit of the game. It was a good challenge to be up against the likes of Colin S and Phil O who have definitely brought this game on quite a way since I first played it in Norwich 3 years ago. So the rules, I prefer not having to use the red, it keeps the game flowing, there is no real reason to have to use it and you certainly should not be penalised for not using it. Prefer the balk line to be out of play rather than the end of the baize – if the ball gets left there you cant really play it. So the final shot – perhaps going off the side cushion but into the 50, 100 or 200, maybe you can still peg a current break. You could then have the scenario if its close then you might bank the score to keep the break on the final shot but giving your opponent the chance to pot and win – or you could risk it and go for the win first shot.
Here’s an off the wall idea – how about make the black peg the same penalty as a white one? So just lose break not total score. Would it encourage players to go for 200 shots more? Not sure if I would like it myself but it’s a thought, I think I prefer it that the black peg remains as it is as it seems to be an integral part of the game 3pin or 4 pin. However this rule has worked well in the alternative rules. With game order this is the best I could come up with –
A1* v B1 A2* v B2 A3* v B3 A1 v B2* A2 v B3* A3 v B1*
So the home team breaks first in the first 3 games, away break first in the 2nd. Suppose it shows the break to the away team and they get a go before they take their break game. So you play two different players on the night and each player plays in each half (I did try and alternate the breaks but that only works if a player plays both his/her game in the first 3). So look forward to the inter league challenge next week, Tommo tells me the table is good so may see some good scores……
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 11:00:28 GMT
An alternative attempt at tinkering from Nigel !!! Seriously guys, I am trying to get some sponsorship so that in future our (shared ?) Four-pin league of Sussex will at least have some team trophies for winners and runners-up (plus high away score and break and best performance). Until and unless that happens, myself and my colleagues would rather not get involved in discussing rule changes, preferring to view it as "just a bit of fun".
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 16, 2015 22:13:37 GMT
The Last Eastbourne 4 Pin open Winner and runner up, the "Astins Erberts" both obviously "Cock a hoop"
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 17, 2015 13:55:41 GMT
Well the big match is nearly upon us and our Hastings Heros will be leading by example tomorrow, we've put a contract out on Nigels car tyres, just to even things up a bit, but if he manages to get a lift over to Crawley, there are several of us who have long memories looks like a 50-50 bet overall to me, depends how the new boys handle the "neutral" home table
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 15:43:17 GMT
Just to say, better make it an 8pm start tomorrow rather than 7.30.......rug rats are allowed in the pub until 8pm, and last week it was like a kindergarten with it being school holidays and all. Hopefully there won't be a problem, but some strategic rearrangement of furniture may be required beforehand to make the corner secluded.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 17, 2015 15:58:18 GMT
Just to say, better make it an 8pm start tomorrow rather than 7.30.......rug rats are allowed in the pub until 8pm, and last week it was like a kindergarten with it being school holidays and all. Hopefully there won't be a problem, but some strategic rearrangement of furniture may be required beforehand to make the corner secluded. okedoke
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 18, 2015 6:12:14 GMT
am half expecting an import or two to roll up tonight, lets hope so
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 18, 2015 23:04:22 GMT
Result Card For Brighton & Crawley 2 v 5 Eastbourne
Clive Thompson* 1210 v 3510 Chris Haynes Nigel Senior 2860 v 2530 Phil Osborne* Colin Green 1100 v 1550 Tony Smith* Dave Bartram* 1570 v 1180 Peter Payne Mick Holmwood 1430 v 2170 Bob Osborne* Joe Oakley 290 v 2430 Stewart Chant* Brian Bartram 610 v 2830 Colin Southouse
Another fun night of 4 pin
Notable breaks 1590 Phil Osborne 1070 Chris Haynes 1070 Stewart Chant 1070 Stewart Chant
Notable Fails 2000 brk lost by Peter Payne more points lost than kept Joe Oakley Though Joe is well on the way to be a good 4 pin player
The "away" home table proved decisive tonight with the Hollingbury boys struggling to keep scores
But still a great version to be mastered, nice to hear tommo has secured sponsorship for the next 2 years hopefuly some of those following this thread will put their names down to play next year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 23:27:43 GMT
A fair assessment from Gandalf, and a pleasant evening enjoyed by all. The Crawley contingent a bit depleted (Tony unable to make it) and tommo as much use to the team as a chocolate teapot ! A hat-trick of wins now for Eastbourne, but many thanks to the Brighton boys for giving their all and helping us to improve on last year's result.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 19, 2015 7:47:57 GMT
A fair assessment from Gandalf, and a pleasant evening enjoyed by all. The Crawley contingent a bit depleted (Tony unable to make it) and tommo as much use to the team as a chocolate teapot ! A hat-trick of wins now for Eastbourne, but many thanks to the Brighton boys for giving their all and helping us to improve on last year's result. MMMMM Chocolate
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 19, 2015 8:03:36 GMT
A fair assessment from Gandalf, and a pleasant evening enjoyed by all. The Crawley contingent a bit depleted (Tony unable to make it) and tommo as much use to the team as a chocolate teapot ! A hat-trick of wins now for Eastbourne, but many thanks to the Brighton boys for giving their all and helping us to improve on last year's result. Thoughts on Last night -Like the double break rule, might add this to the Eastbourne rules -not too sure about the uphill table though, it made the delicate shots around the 50 hole trickier -pegs were about 4-5mm from holes, ok with this, again it made the 50-50 slightly harder but didn't stop the majority from playing it. -Light set a bit low perhaps Still well worth the trip, well done tommo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2015 8:25:24 GMT
Well, the joy about having a one-off annual Interleague challenge is that we can reach our own compromise on the format ! Breaks 1-4-7 and 2-3-5-6 is in the tradition of Sussex Interleague, with the addition of 'balls back for 2nd player' which both of us have championed in the past. Whilst reverting back to the 'good old days' of having a random draw rather than nominations.
Apologies for the uphill-ness of the table and the proximity of the lights: table is still settling in in its new position, and being on a carpet with the extra weight of the rack at the front this tends to happen and is something that I will monitor. The light can be remedied easily by taking it up a couple of links on the chain (either that or we could provide a crash helmet !)
Hope at least the food was acceptable....
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 19, 2015 8:32:07 GMT
Well, the joy about having a one-off annual Interleague challenge is that we can reach our own compromise on the format ! Breaks 1-4-7 and 2-3-5-6 is in the tradition of Sussex Interleague, with the addition of 'balls back for 2nd player' which both of us have championed in the past. Whilst reverting back to the 'good old days' of having a random draw rather than nominations. Apologies for the uphill-ness of the table and the proximity of the lights: table is still settling in in its new position, and being on a carpet with the extra weight of the rack at the front this tends to happen and is something that I will monitor. The light can be remedied easily by taking it up a couple of links on the chain (either that or we could provide a crash helmet !) Hope at least the food was acceptable.... Food and company top notch tommo
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Post by chrishaynes (R.I.P.) on Aug 21, 2015 6:55:47 GMT
Thought Tuesdays match was best evening so far, looking forward to seeing you all again next year for more fun and frolics, and of course more 4 pin
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 21, 2015 10:10:57 GMT
Thought Tuesdays match was best evening so far, looking forward to seeing you all again next year for more fun and frolics, and of course more 4 pin Yep we all seem to have a passion for this version and its spreading
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Post by BB Warrior on Aug 21, 2015 10:25:34 GMT
Thought Tuesdays match was best evening so far, looking forward to seeing you all again next year for more fun and frolics, and of course more 4 pin Yep we all seem to have a passion for this version and its spreading Do we....?? Spreading.... You make it sound like some kind of terrible virus or disease that is very catching! All joking aside, it is nice to see the enthusiasm to keep any version of the game going during the summer when many players go into a state of semi-hibernation.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 21, 2015 10:36:25 GMT
Yep we all seem to have a passion for this version and its spreading Do we....?? Spreading.... You make it sound like some kind of terrible virus or disease that is very catching! All joking aside, it is nice to see the enthusiasm to keep any version of the game going during the summer when many players go into a state of semi-hibernation. Passion is good BBW hope you had a good holiday, think this affliction is incurable
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 21, 2015 13:58:52 GMT
Thought Tuesdays match was best evening so far, looking forward to seeing you all again next year for more fun and frolics, and of course more 4 pin Wonder if the Bartrums might want to play from the Romans next year
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 20:35:33 GMT
There's no denying it.....4-Pin is infectious. Trouble is, I think I've now caught the bug for 3-Pin again. Looking forward to September and the start of a new season.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 22, 2015 7:18:01 GMT
If you had the choice of playing 3 pin or 4 pin tommo which would it be? I think it would be 4 pin for me!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 8:52:12 GMT
That's like asking me to choose between my cat and my dog.......love 'em equally.
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Post by chrishaynes (R.I.P.) on Aug 22, 2015 12:41:38 GMT
Both have there qualaties, 3 pin for concentration, 4 pin for outright ability to make scores!just my opinion!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 13:11:45 GMT
There is also a similarity in that mastery of a particular shot can lead to high scoring: 'the split' for 3-Pin and the '50/50 break' for 4-Pin.
But at the top level the 3-Pin game can be a bit 'cut-throat'.....a poor start and you may not get another go. Even setting up a PB may not be enough to win sometimes if you are up against a faster player !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2015 20:56:08 GMT
That's like asking me to choose between my cat and my dog.......love 'em equally. Developing this theme, 3-Pin is the feline and 4-Pin canine....... - the cat is part of a larger family
- you can have more fun With a dog and they are more attentive though can't scale heights.
- whilst there are more powerful feline versions (in Oxford, Kent and the Sussex coast) which are capable of eating you alive,
even the local neighbourhood ones have fangs and claws and can sometimes cause you pain !
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