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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 29, 2015 22:16:06 GMT
I have been asked by Chrissie N. as AEBBA Treasurer to publish the accounts for 2015 ready for the A.G.M. which I show as attachments to this post.
The actual accounts are shown in their original working Excel format that not everyone will be able to open properly due to the macros it contains, clicking 'enable content' may help.
aebba_banking_2015_report.xlsm (135.64 KB))
The accounts are summarised in the pdf document that all can open. aebba_banking_2015_report.pdf (106.17 KB)
Also attached is Chrissie's Treasurer's report.
Treasurer2015.pdf (191.75 KB)
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 29, 2015 22:21:18 GMT
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 30, 2015 11:03:14 GMT
Dear All, I have today sent an email to all members of the AEBBA Committee advising that the accounts should not be presented to the AGM unless they have been correctly verified by a different "Independent Examiner" prior to the meeting on Sunday 6th December. I would remind all members of the rule that covers the need for this within the AEBBA Constitution:- 19) A.E.B.B.A. will appoint one or more 'Independent Examiners' (formerly AKA Auditors) each year, starting in 2013, to examine (audit) the accounts prior to the Annual General Meeting. Although I do not doubt the accuracy of the information provided and certainly would not question the integrity of either Chrissie N. or Chris Saville in any way, the simple fact is that the "Independent Examiner" can NOT BE THE SAME PERSON THAT HAS PREPARED THE FIGURES. That is obvious, for many reasons. It is clearly stated in both of the reports that this is what has happened on this occasion and should not have happened last year. Chris Saville has also directly stated in his report that he has a "conflict of interest" and, when it comes to the figures, that he has "absolutely no justification of their accuracy". He further states that he is "not in a position" to have checked payments made against receipts. Please note that I resigned from the AEBBA Committee on 12th November 2015, which is the date that I became aware that this situation had arisen, after receiving very negative responses to the points that I had made by email. I hope that the AEBBA Committee do ask another "Independent Examiner" to look at all of the records and information and that would then allow the acounts to be correctly presented and accepted at the AGM. David Ingram
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 30, 2015 11:33:55 GMT
As has been pointed out to you, you were made aware of my continuing to help the Treasurer several months ago.
I stand by what I have said in my report that I am working on (and thus checking) figures supplied solely by the Treasurer via the bank statements.
If my helping a dear friend who has been up against life this year compromises the integrity of the accounts then the A.G.M. can vote them out if enough people agree with you. I've done what I can.
Chris Saville.
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Post by Chris on Nov 30, 2015 20:54:45 GMT
Thanks Chris S
So have I done what I can and Chris Saville could not have saved me more here or you would have had no accounts, following some tragic news re family hereditary conditions and death of my mother. I agree if my integrity has in any way been compromised they can be voted out.
Chris
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Post by Chris on Nov 30, 2015 21:14:47 GMT
Dear All, It is clearly stated in both of the reports that this is what has happened on this occasion and should not have happened last year. Chris Saville has also directly stated in his report that he has a "conflict of interest" and, when it comes to the figures, that he has "absolutely no justification of their accuracy". He further states that he is "not in a position" to have checked payments made against receipts. Well it did happen last year and was clearly stated at the AGM, my minutes may not reflect this in detail but it was stated and nothing was said ... it was proposed and seconded and unanimously passed. Where did I state in my report published above this year ' this should not have happened last year ' ?? Where did Chris Saville state this in his ?? all published above ?? Chris
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 23:44:20 GMT
Surely a degree of latitude can be allowed here ?
While the word integrity is being bandied about, let's not lose sight of the fact that Chris S and Chrissie N shored up AEBBA funds to enable purchase of the replacement truck......without which many of the Opens would not have gone ahead - with the knock-on effect of a loss of revenue.
Add to this the last two Bournemouths, enjoyed by many but I should imagine an absolute nightmare to co-ordinate.
Both persons deserve to be made AEBBA Life Members.
tommo
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 30, 2015 23:45:23 GMT
Thanks Chris S So have I done what I can and Chris Saville could not have saved me more here or you would have had no accounts, following some tragic news re family hereditary conditions and death of my mother. I agree if my integrity has in any way been compromised they can be voted out. Chris Chrissie, as I have clearly stated in both my post above and in repeated emails to the AEBBA Committee I do not doubt your integrity in any way. But, the simple facts are... 1) We have a rule within the AEBBA Constitution that states that the accounts must be exmained by an "independent examiner". 2) It must be obvious to anyone that the independent examiner can not be the same person that produces the figures and that the independent examiner must have seen all of the information to enable them to state that the accounts are correct. Based on the statements made by both yourself and Chris Saville this has clearly not happened this year, in fact Chris Saville has stated in his report that he has a "conflict of interest" and that, when it comes to the figures, he has "absolutely no justification of their accuracy". He further states that he is "not in a position" to have checked payments made against receipts. Surely, the whole purpose of an "Independent Examiner" must be to "justify the accuracy" of the accounts and to do that they must also have seen the receipts to check that the payments made balance these figures? There is no point whatever in anyone saying "it was accepted last year" as two wrongs do not make a right.... they simply make it even more wrong. I am sorry but I do not understand why there is such a reluctance to adhere to our constitutional rules and provide the information to an independent verifier...?
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Post by BB Warrior on Nov 30, 2015 23:52:20 GMT
Surely a degree of latitude can be allowed here ? Much as I agree with the remainder of Tommo's post here, I feel that he should be reminded that it was Chris Saville that proposed Rule 19) a couple of years ago to ensure that there could never be any doubt that the finances of AEBBA were being handled correctly. I do not question the integrity of any of the individuals here in any way.... but I also do not understand why all of the information can not be provided to an independent person to be checked prior to the meeting?
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Post by Chris on Dec 1, 2015 6:03:04 GMT
I agree if my integrity has in any way been compromised they can be voted out
This was not aimed at you Dave it was a general statement
I would rather just be left alone now please
Thank you
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