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Post by bobhall on Aug 8, 2016 13:35:10 GMT
It seems to be a considerable problem in finding scorers for matches at opens now with this suggestion there will be a problem with the first match but so be it, but could I suggest that if you lose your match you Score the next game on that table that way we will always have constant scores and should never be a problem with waiting.
Would love to hear people's views on this
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Post by daveuk1 on Aug 8, 2016 13:45:58 GMT
I do know in the sudbury league we have quite a few players who are just not competent scorers and these are often also the players who lose their games, also from a my point of view as a player who drinks during a game and also smokes, the end of a game signal the time for a trip to the toilet and then outside for a smoke.
May be you three pinners are different.
The problem getting scorers is a tough one
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Post by bobhall on Aug 8, 2016 13:48:30 GMT
I do know in the sudbury league we have quite a few players who are just not competent scorers and these are often also the players who lose their games, also from a my point of view as a player who drinks during a game and also smokes, the end of a game signal the time for a trip to the toilet and then outside for a smoke. May be you three pinners are different. The problem getting scorers is a tough one Yes but if u was due to be straight back on to play would you not play your match or would you disappear for 20 minutes
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 16:07:09 GMT
Would love to hear people's views on this Sounded good in theory until I sussed that the greedy b*ggers who keep on winning would never get to score a game !
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Post by daveuk1 on Aug 8, 2016 20:06:52 GMT
I'm really not sure how it works in three pin as I always get knocked out in the first round. But in our 4 pin open when we get down to the knock out stages the games are scheduled so players don't play consecutive matches without at least a 10 minute break between matches, long enough to buy another pint, visit the loo and have a smoke. On top of which I myself struggle scoring 3 pin games. My poor old brain can't cope with the 30 and 10 holes being reversed and I get all confuzzled
Getting scorers had and always will always be a problem with no easy solution
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Post by Chris on Aug 8, 2016 21:10:52 GMT
Hi Bob
Great suggestion. I did do that at Bucks last year. It did not work after round 2 as players just left regardless from the main.
I would like to suggest that up until certain rounds, winners score, until they play back to back matches. They are going to require chequers for future games, so maybe fair that they do the games ???
Chris
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Post by curtd on Aug 8, 2016 22:00:22 GMT
I think that if the players that never score ( and you know who you are) played their part there shouldn't be a problem.
My preference would be that if you lose you stay on that table and score. If winners stayed on you could be in a position where you have to score before you play which isn't what I like to do. Although I was able to be playing all day in the Bucks I did score a couple of games as well to do my bit so there's no excuse for anyone not to score at least one game.
Maybe the scorers should write there names on the score sheets so we can see who scores and who doesn't ?????
Curt
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Post by milhouse on Aug 8, 2016 22:09:11 GMT
I do disagree with making people score for a couple of reasons
As someone pointed out, some people just might not be able to score for whatever reason. For example, someone who came to the Bucks Open with me had never played the game before and didn't even know what the holes scored, so how could he have possibly scored the next game after losing? This would put some people off playing and then there would be less entries....
Secondly, once you have lost, sometimes by a close game, or by losing a score or something, the last thing you want to do is to then sit there for the next 45 minutes scoring a game when you are a bit pi$$ed off! That would then distract you from doing a proper job and possibly putting off the players?
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 8, 2016 22:22:36 GMT
Maybe the scorers should write there names on the score sheets so we can see who scores and who doesn't ????? Curt spot on Curt
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Post by Chunky Monkey on Aug 8, 2016 23:30:36 GMT
Unfortunatly, i hate to admit it, i am one of the peoples who doesnt score very often in the opens.... its not that i cant score but i dont like too!!!! Single leg games i am fine with so plate games i do not mind scoring! Its the double leg games that does me in. Unfortunatly i am a smoker so like a smoke after my match... and as you all know a drinker too, so concentrating for 45mins on someone elses game and then mentally preping for my next game be it plate or main i wont do.. i also dont like scoring a game directly before i play too for the reasons above. I am sorry if my reasons above aren't good enough for those that do seem to do all the scoring BUT they are my reasons why. IF i am knocked out in the the 1st round of both comps i do score! But only the plate games as they are single leg.
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Post by bigtj on Aug 9, 2016 6:25:45 GMT
As someone who does score and at one time spent a lot of the day either playing or scoring ( I know not playing that often ),I have scored less recently as I have increasingly become disgruntled at those who never score and think so scoring when others won`t. Players know when they are on and it shouldn't be too much of a problem to arrange your scorer in advance. I understand why some people do not score and realise they would struggle and it could also affect the players concentration not to have a competent scorer.
I do not know the solution, but do think there are there that have become like me less likely to score every time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 10:19:46 GMT
Right, we all seem to agree that it's a problem, so let's try and look for a solution.
Some people make a beeline for the chair to score for their mate who's playing. A lot of people, like myself, are always willing to score but it's usually as a response to being prompted to do so. Often we make for the scorer's chair, only to find that someone has already agreed to do it but has gone for a quick visit either to the bathroom or to the bar: Rather annoying and not exactly encouraging a later offer.....
So how do we make it more conducive to score ? You can't force people, so I reckon there has to be an incentive.
I believe I'm right in saying that at the World Championships in Jersey they have employed the system of scorer signing the results slip, and the organisers rewarding the scorer who's done the most during the weekend with a special prize.
At another Open I've also seen a raffle ticket pinned to each scoresheet, which the scorers then collect - either similarly as "tallies" or as tickets for a special raffle: So the more you collect the greater your chance of winning !
The reward doesn't have to be stupendous - it's surprising what you can get people to do for a simple bottle of wine or a four-pack of beers !
Just my thoughts,
tommo
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Post by bigjimsilverfox on Aug 9, 2016 18:57:29 GMT
I feel there should be some system in place for scorers, not every player has a team mate or colleague at these events and some people may have issues with adding scores or calling foul shots. I think the special raffle is a great idea though as I have experienced this before. I personally don`t mind scoring a few legs but I know others keep as far away from the scorers seat as they can. Jean has a great way of nominating at The Sussex by calling out players on the PA system and I think they find it hard to refuse for the shame of not agreeing is too great! But we need a scorer as any game needs a referee so come on guys just step up and it will make the organisers day so much better
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Post by Ros on Aug 22, 2016 19:21:05 GMT
Nobody should be forced to score. As others have said, not everyone is able or confident enough to score, especially when the scores get large. (I will never forget scoring a semi of Senior vs Collins on a good top. I think the scores worked out at just over 21k to just under 22k on a 17.5 minute clock!) I also personally hate scoring immediately before playing, although I often do because nobody else will step up. I did this at Northants, but then put my foot down when asked to do it a second time. I very rarely get to see a final at opens, because guess what? Nobody else wants to score the plate final The plus side of scoring quite a lot is that others are usually willing to score for me. I like Curt's idea of having all the results slips signed (they are in Jersey) and I also like tommo's idea of having a raffle draw for scorers (they haven't done that the last couple of years in Jersey) I agree that Jean is also very effective with calling on specific people in Sussex, but that relies on the whole area being reasonably visible to the organiser.
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Aug 23, 2016 12:33:31 GMT
Right, we all seem to agree that it's a problem, so let's try and look for a solution. Some people make a beeline for the chair to score for their mate who's playing. A lot of people, like myself, are always willing to score but it's usually as a response to being prompted to do so. Often we make for the scorer's chair, only to find that someone has already agreed to do it but has gone for a quick visit either to the bathroom or to the bar: Rather annoying and not exactly encouraging a later offer..... So how do we make it more conducive to score ? You can't force people, so I reckon there has to be an incentive.I believe I'm right in saying that at the World Championships in Jersey they have employed the system of scorer signing the results slip, and the organisers rewarding the scorer who's done the most during the weekend with a special prize. At another Open I've also seen a raffle ticket pinned to each scoresheet, which the scorers then collect - either similarly as "tallies" or as tickets for a special raffle: So the more you collect the greater your chance of winning ! The reward doesn't have to be stupendous - it's surprising what you can get people to do for a simple bottle of wine or a four-pack of beers ! Just my thoughts, tommo I always say that if everyone that is able to score, scored 1 more game in the day than they usually do, there wouldn't be a need to incentivise scorers. SIMPLES
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Post by Chris on Aug 26, 2016 19:07:49 GMT
Chris and I usually score 1 game each on double legs - Reasons : We both smoke He likes to drink so gets a pint I get worried if doing two legs of high scoring players - having been shouted at on a mistake, my fault, some years back - I cope with one leg
So maybe for: Kev Hall he finds a reciprocal partner doing one leg each, scoring two games in this way overall - sounds good to me
A very few of the top players who never score need to think ...
And I agree we look at who scores and add it as part of the event, publishing it by recording at the event, so we get an equality of scoring so that it is clearly seen who does.
I know there are a couple of players that now cannot score, but they do other things to support e.g. tearing up the raffle tickets which can take over an hour, as it did at the Bucks.
Colin I can only disagree with you - You scored nearly all the time you were not playing - not once did we ask at the Bucks - You just stepped in ....
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