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Post by Chris on Sept 20, 2016 17:34:27 GMT
Under the new rules would it be worth Sussex asking Dawn??
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Post by JB on Sept 20, 2016 17:58:26 GMT
I'm slightly confused about the new rule
I thought it was for Counties who can't get 5 players from their County (the example given was Bucks Berks and Hants) to make a county five team Sussex are able to field a team of 5 The rule also says the team should be submitted by 1st September
To be honest I don't really understand all the ins and outs of this rule do I could be reading or interpreting it wrong
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Post by Chunky Monkeys other half on Sept 20, 2016 18:30:30 GMT
I now have five players so will be there on Sunday
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Post by Chris on Sept 20, 2016 19:17:59 GMT
Great Sandra
and Jean I too did not understand the rule ??? I though would bend a rule that gets teams in - not though one that just sets up to win - just one with a genuine heart to play !! and I know we could not get that rule in.
Best wishes Jean and Sandra
Chris xx
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Post by JB on Sept 20, 2016 23:00:50 GMT
Hi Chrissie
As you know in the ladies Sussex inter league competition we bend the rules to help teams out and I'm all for it. The more the merrier and it gets people playing who want to.
The AEBBA rule to me was confusing.
Really need to know what the rules are for players to be eligible for a county five team.
Is it if a County had less than say for example 7 ladies registered?
Can a player say no to their County and then play for the County five team? Eg Sussex (although struggled this year to get 10 players) we could possibly sometimes have 12 willing to play. Could I then say I'm not playing for Sussex and then play for the County five to help them out?
I think Surrey said they only had 3 willing to travel so haven't got a team. Could these players join 2 from elsewhere to make a team even though they have enough ladies in Surrey to make at least 2 teams?
I'm all for getting players to make up a county five team, to me the more teams the better. Just feel more clarification is needed.
It's at least a 5 hour round trip for the 10 Sussex ladies to go and play Oxford this year. Hard to get the motivation and enthusiasm. But we will be there
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Post by NigelS on Sept 21, 2016 9:05:56 GMT
Thankfully it seems that Sussex B have got a team so we have at least 4 teams (but from only 2 counties). With only 4 ladies present in the All England Ladies (an all time low) I think the ladies need to get together and work out a way forward, or these competitions won’t even take place in future.
I don’t understand why a county select team has not been put forward this year…… Berks, Hants, Kent, Bucks and now Surrey can’t find 5 players between them? Now I didn’t agree with the rule in the first place but now it has been approved why not use it to get a 5th team. Trouble is it was not thought through at the time. Who was going to pick the team? How was the team going to be picked – was someone going to go down a list or just find 5 players to play? Could Sussex B players have played if they couldn’t have got the side together? How long have Surrey known they are not coming as the 3 willing to play could have maybe found 2 from other counties if they had known early enough? I did try to point these things out at the AGM but got shouted down for 1) being sexist and 2) wanting to stop ladies playing.
Unfortunately it is the ladies who attend these event suffer, but they need to get together and work out a solution so that more ladies play in these events otherwise they won't be around much longer.
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Post by jordans on Sept 21, 2016 9:33:31 GMT
In August we did try to get a team together Nigel. Dave Alder can tell you that Myra and I tried. Unfortunately there is only me from Bucks (Sue Haberman has had a shoulder operation) and Myra could only get two from Berks due to holidays. I did ask Chris at the Bucks Open, but she too was going to be on holiday. We did try, and I did put this on the thread on the 1st September, so it was there for other counties to see if they were struggling with players, but to be honest as far as I knew the rule was for counties that could not field a team due to not enough lady players in their league ie Hants, Bucks & Berks, perhaps this does need to be clarified again. As Bucks don't have a team to be honest I don't mind who I play for, I just want to play and try and keep the ladies game going.
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Post by magners on Sept 21, 2016 12:35:37 GMT
I have just been told that DC will not be attending for the men's singles. We are trying to organise his replacement (Tony Cross) and will confirm this when known.
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Post by Chris on Sept 21, 2016 18:17:10 GMT
Dear All
Dawn is correct she did ask me but I am away the big birthday looms YUK !!!
My interpretation was that if you could not get a team you could amalgamate - my answer would be let's not complicate things, especially if we want more people playing and let's loosen on making rigid complications to the HOW does this work!
Of course if I suddenly saw a team that was - Pauline Withey, Jean Brackenridge, Dawn Jordan, Denise Wills and Lorraine Hall all saying they could not get a team I might think twice...
I though genuinely believe that the Ladies who play in Bar Billiards just want games - especially Dawn which was her motive in putting this rule forward,
Had Dawn been added to play for Sussex B to make up the numbers what would be the problem??
We are sadly looking at a decline in numbers - let's not embellish ourselves with precision of rules that may lead to no teams and no event.
In-depth analysis of this rule will not help, and for info Hants only has 3 lady players - what you need is more teams
Regards Chris
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Post by Chris on Sept 21, 2016 18:49:33 GMT
Hi Jean
I truly understand your post - if you had 7 registered and 5 were in then maybe the other two could combine with others??
Thanks Chris
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Post by Chris on Sept 21, 2016 18:55:20 GMT
From a personal perspective I would just want to say this.
Hayley and I played for Horsham this year. We had a great team of players but it was never a team put together that would on paper have been the CHOSEN TEAM re 'crème de la crème' It was a team of 5 that just had a chance, but more importantly a heart that wanted to just play.
All other players kindly accepted us.
This is the time when I would play out of my county.
Sadly I will not get the chance I believe again with Horsham, as they cannot raise the rest again.
This though is what we need to promote.
Thanks Chris
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Post by NigelS on Sept 22, 2016 9:03:32 GMT
Of course I am not trying to attack the likes of Dawn and Chrissie who have responded on here. It is clear that they care about the ladies game, support events and want it to continue and flourish. But for me there is a general apathy in the ladies game – for instance Surrey have loads of players -surely enough for two teams. But they won’t travel as a one off to Didcot to play. These aren’t players like myself and a few others who travel to Didcot 4 or 5 times during this period – its just once. Why once Surrey knew they were out of the running for their own team did they not contact others to make a select team – it still seems to me that Bucks, Berks and Surrey have over 5 players that are willing to play! There is still even a couple of days to sort this out.
This is why when this rule was put in it did need to be thought through better. You can’t just tag someone into to play for Sussex B if they are short – surely this can’t be right. And Sussex have a team already so players not in the A shouldn’t just be able to jump ship into another team – this is supposed to be a County championship after all and you should earn your right to play.
The ladies need to get together to find a solution…….if it means alternating where the county champs gets held every year to ensure attendance of Surrey (so they only have to travel once every two years) I can’t see why you couldn’t even have 7 teams – 2 Sussex, 2 Oxon, 2 Surrey and one select team even.
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Post by Ros on Sept 22, 2016 11:38:52 GMT
Just a quick question - were the Surrey ladies even aware of the new rule about combining counties?
This was passed at the last AGM and has not been widely publicised. I only found out because I asked someone what had happened at the AGM.
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Post by milhouse on Sept 22, 2016 12:25:11 GMT
But for me there is a general apathy in the ladies game – for instance Surrey have loads of players -surely enough for two teams. But they won’t travel as a one off to Didcot to play. These aren’t players like myself and a few others who travel to Didcot 4 or 5 times during this period – its just once. Why once Surrey knew they were out of the running for their own team did they not contact others to make a select team – it still seems to me that Bucks, Berks and Surrey have over 5 players that are willing to play! There is still even a couple of days to sort this out. I know this is something the ladies around here are a little annoyed about as they make the effort to travel down to Surrey to play in the Singles/Mixed Pairs competitions but the Surrey ladies do not make the effort to do the same and travel to Oxford for the Singles/County events (apart from Denise) Just a thought....... Is it worth thinking about scrapping the county set-up for the ladies and change the competition to a "North v South" matches? You could split the counties into the areas, so say South being - Sussex,Surrey,Kent,Hants and North being Oxon,Berks,Bucks,Northants - then each side could put out as many teams as they want to compete, selecting their players from anyone in their area?
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Post by Chris on Sept 22, 2016 19:53:54 GMT
Just a quick question - were the Surrey ladies even aware of the new rule about combining counties? This was passed at the last AGM and has not been widely publicised. I only found out because I asked someone what had happened at the AGM. Minutes of the AGM in the Secretary's thread re AGM 2015 which you quoted on Ros ???
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Post by Martin Pellett on Sept 22, 2016 19:54:05 GMT
As Chairman of the RDBBL and therefore Surrey as well, I find a lot of the comments above about the Surrey Ladies very offensive, lets get this straight there are a lot of other counties not sending a ladies teams, why pick on Surrey? also we have tried hard to field a Ladies team but due to holidays and ill health we cannot put out a strong Surrey side, yes we have a new group of young lady players coming through but they are not yet up to the standard required and it would probably put them off from playing bar billiards if thrust into this sort of competition, it is not very often that we have failed to field a team and as mentioned before Didcot puts off a lot of players. We do support the AEBBA and also host some of their competitions, so if you have a problem with Surrey please talk to us and not use this forum to rubbish us.
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Post by Chris on Sept 22, 2016 20:00:52 GMT
Great point Martin
Or ask other players if they could support the younger players in making up a team ??
Chris
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Post by milhouse on Sept 22, 2016 23:13:31 GMT
As Chairman of the RDBBL and therefore Surrey as well, I find a lot of the comments above about the Surrey Ladies very offensive, lets get this straight there are a lot of other counties not sending a ladies teams, why pick on Surrey? also we have tried hard to field a Ladies team but due to holidays and ill health we cannot put out a strong Surrey side, yes we have a new group of young lady players coming through but they are not yet up to the standard required and it would probably put them off from playing bar billiards if thrust into this sort of competition, it is not very often that we have failed to field a team and as mentioned before Didcot puts off a lot of players. We do support the AEBBA and also host some of their competitions, so if you have a problem with Surrey please talk to us and not use this forum to rubbish us. People are "picking on Surrey" as there are a LOT of ladies that play in the county, probably more than any other county! Most counties do not have 5 ladies playing, so couldn't field a side but when you have a county with maybe 20+ ladies playing and they cannot be bothered to enter a team of 5 players into a county championships, that is very bad indeed!
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Post by bobhall on Sept 22, 2016 23:48:47 GMT
Right guys and girls what's done is done can we now support the four teams that are entering and also the quality of men that are playing and stop with the comments it's not gonna help
I am sure next season Surrey will be back and hopefully we can get another county to play aswell
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Post by BB Warrior on Sept 23, 2016 6:59:52 GMT
As Chairman of the RDBBL and therefore Surrey as well, I find a lot of the comments above about the Surrey Ladies very offensive, lets get this straight there are a lot of other counties not sending a ladies teams, why pick on Surrey? also we have tried hard to field a Ladies team but due to holidays and ill health we cannot put out a strong Surrey side, yes we have a new group of young lady players coming through but they are not yet up to the standard required and it would probably put them off from playing bar billiards if thrust into this sort of competition, it is not very often that we have failed to field a team and as mentioned before Didcot puts off a lot of players. We do support the AEBBA and also host some of their competitions, so if you have a problem with Surrey please talk to us and not use this forum to rubbish us. People are "picking on Surrey" as there are a LOT of ladies that play in the county, probably more than any other county! Most counties do not have 5 ladies playing, so couldn't field a side but when you have a county with maybe 20+ ladies playing and they cannot be bothered to enter a team of 5 players into a county championships, that is very bad indeed! Mark, I agree with your comment that most counties (Hampshire, Berkshire, Northants, Kent and Bucks) do not even have 5 ladies to enable them to have a team and that is why the "County 5" rule was bought in last year at the AEBBA AGM to enable the ladies from those counties that do want to play to take part.... but, Surrey do NOT have anything like the number of lady players that you have indicated so your comment is rather unfair. According to the Redhill website, laat year there were 12 ladies that played regularly in the League with a handful of "social" players that played occasional games. Of those 12, I know that one of them now lives abroad and another is seriously ill at the moment. Martin has advised that other ladies are on holiday and they have therefore been unable to raise a strong team.... disappointing of course, but knowing the people that run the League in Surrey I am sure that they would have sent a team if they could. I do think that there is a shortage of ladies in the southern area that are prepared to travel long distances to take part in competitions at the highest level which is why I supported your suggestion of changing the Ladies County Championships from the current format into a North v South competition. That would give the chance for the ladies that do want to play competitively a chance to take part and would probably ensure the future of this type of competition. Hopefully, some of the lady players will discuss what THEY WANT among themselves and then make a proposal to be considered at the AEBBA AGM later this year.
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Post by Coleman Jnr on Sept 25, 2016 19:35:01 GMT
Right guys and girls what's done is done can we now support the four teams that are entering and also the quality of men that are playing and stop with the comments it's not gonna help I am sure next season Surrey will be back and hopefully we can get another county to play aswell Agree with Bobhall here! Can see where the people playing in the competition are coming from but unfortunately we cannot force people to play! If Surrey can't get a team I'm sure it's not to prove a point, we have over 5 Northants ladies players now, do they want to attend a national competition.... No unfortunately. Having mentioned a similar comment on another post I think as a committee we have a massive challenge on our hands to make competitions more appealing for people to enter!
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Post by BB Warrior on Sept 25, 2016 20:26:00 GMT
To get this thread back on track.... Congratulations to Sussex A Ladies on winning the Ladies County Championships, winning all 3 of their matches and finishing 5 points clear of Oxon A who were runners-up. I would also like to say a big well done to Sussex B Ladies who were just 2 points behind Oxon A and also to Oxon B Ladies who finished last on this occasion but still performed very well. Curt Driver (Kent) won the AE Men's Individual competition beating Mark Trafford (Oxon) in the final, Curt having won all 3 of his group games against Phil Hawkins (Berks), Barry Radford (Hants) and runner-up Simon Coleman (Northants) while Mark topped the other group with 2 wins on aggregate from Gareth Lloyd (Sussex) with Matt Jones (Bucks) and Tony Cross (Surrey) both winning 1 game each. Many thanks to Dave Alder for running the competitions and all of those involved in setting up and taking down the tables, a very enjoyable day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 21:45:06 GMT
Sussex A do the double ! Can someone advise the team line-ups please for the ladies ? Ta very much.
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Post by bobhall on Sept 25, 2016 21:56:06 GMT
Sussex A do the double ! Can someone advise the team line-ups please for the ladies ? Ta very much. Sussex A Lorraine hall (captain) boball 2nd in command cheering the team on Jean Brackenridge Michelle Baden Ros Appleby Bella stoner Sussex b Sandra hall ( captain) Colleen park Toni hunt Jan bithell Sheena wood
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Post by bobhall on Sept 25, 2016 22:01:01 GMT
Sussex a 22.5 Oxford a17.5 Sussex b 15 Oxford b 5
Sussex A beat Sussex b 6-4 Oxford b 10-0 Oxford a 6.5-3.5
Oxford A beat Oxford B 8-2 Sussex b 6-4 Lost to Sussex a 6.5-3.5
Well done to all and it was nice to see every Sussex player that played won legs A special mention to Colleen beating Pauline in a leg Toni beating Mel in a leg And sheena beating Jenny F in a leg
High break went to Mel 6650 even though chelle was on course to chase the score down and on time but whipped a split when 1800 behind
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2016 23:00:49 GMT
Thanks Bob, will work on a report some time tomorrow.
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Post by nipper on Sept 26, 2016 19:05:47 GMT
There is a possibility I left my cue in a peradon hard case at Didcot from the county champs... if it appears could someone get in touch please. Thanks :)
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