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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 27, 2021 15:11:01 GMT
Brief reply;
1) I believe the final clocks were made on the Isle of Man, though I have never investigated this, would be an interesting project for my planned marshalling on Manxland next year.
2) Rings, I am STILL not in possession of the correct final version of the CAD file. I have chased this but cannot procede further until I get it. The table with the prototype rings will be going into the Five Bells in Eastry which will be our new home after Chrimble if our league restarts.
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Post by taffy on Nov 27, 2021 17:29:26 GMT
Yes I've already booked the manx up as it is 100 years and they are going to make a special effort I'm sure!
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Post by Chris_Sav on Nov 27, 2021 17:43:33 GMT
Yes I've already booked the manx up as it is 100 years and they are going to make a special effort I'm sure! Taffy Where and when are you staying?
We'll be there for an extended fortnight, staying in Peel.
Mind you you're going a bit early for the centenary in 2023.
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Post by taffy on Nov 27, 2021 18:19:37 GMT
yes, you could be right. 1923. Motorhome and not sure where we'll pitch up.
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Post by taffy on Dec 29, 2021 12:36:04 GMT
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Post by taffy on Dec 29, 2021 20:11:26 GMT
three more photos. 1. front decals which look suitably 'aged'. 2. the scoreboard - a thing of beauty! 3. size matters! huge new cushion rubber is next to the old tiny rubber. Taffy Attachments:

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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 11, 2022 12:46:15 GMT
Thanks to Jon I am now in possession of what should be the final version of the CAD file for the rings.
I'm trying a local firm and should have a prototype to check against the set in our league table on Monday.
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Post by taffy on Mar 17, 2022 21:35:45 GMT
 Latest table to join the Newmarket Stables of one David 'bach boyo' Lloyd is a narrow Sams I was fortunate to buy off 'Ozzy' here on the site at a more than fair price! So a thanks to Phil for thinking of me and after a trip to hailsham it was soon back in the workshop. As with all my tables I always try a new idea or two and stick to other tried and tested ideas that i now consider to work! So, it was off with the laquer using a belt sander and orbital sander for the little stuff. so, 3 coats of Danish oil and 2 coats of natural beeswax. a new premier cloth made for a Jelks only made it lengthwise by about 5mm...it was fully stretched and just made the wooden frame on the ends. The table lacked the usual 4 items namely; The timer cover (and funnel shoot) on top the money box underneath. the tally counter. the bar (a wooden board) I added the usual ski-drops and know the dimensions in the top of my head. I also narrowed the wood for this as the lanes in a narrow are well; "narrower"!. The big difference this time was that i decided to lower the under tray by 40mm. This means the balls come down FAST and straight into the fingers of the player breaking them.....sorry, freudian slip there.... no, i counteracted the speed by using the carpet underlay. The task was easy to do; 30-minutes work it was that easy, all i had to do was chop the threaded heads off the table's coach bolts for the tray to fit nicely. I then used rubber foam strips in each lane of the ball tray (by your knees) and hoped the last downhill bit wasn't going to see balls take off and crack a knuckle. If it worked I knew that the balls wouldn't keep bouncing back out of sight. WORRA TREAT! the balls are now silent, fast and there's not even a 'boom' from the very thick rubber pads. a 100% succes and something I'll do again. Now the undertray IS visible for the last 10" of downward travel when viewed from the side, but, I used some 5mm ply and some mastik/silicon and sealed the view off (as well as helping with the noise containment). I'm presuming that old Alfred Sams decided to make the tables tamper proof when he introduced the 'bulkhead bang' that is all too familiar to everyone. The second new idea was the use of waterslide decal paper. I downloaded what to me is the correct script/font and best that "I" could see; "Old Stanndard TT" its called which is one that won't be lost on Sav! Now not being great with computers i knew this was going to go wrong so I found the script, asked to download it, clicked, looked in my MS Word screen and there it sat! Old Standard TT.  I'm not over happy with my efforts and will have another go. I also used that bloody awful, cheap rubber I found for sale on ebay on the front edge of the bar and I can now say 'yes, it has a deserved place on a BB table...just not on it but under it!'. New peradon balls complete the job. I decided to save the score discs and tacs, converted the timer to the £1 coin, and left the cushion rubbers as they felt nice and supple. I even left the leatherette - but not the D and it has an old/new quality to it now. From now on I think, any new Sams I get will have the undertray lowered the 40mm and i may put a security bar across to make it anti-tamper. Taffy
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Post by taffy on Mar 17, 2022 21:50:01 GMT
The table was donated by Dunstable Fire Service to someone in April 1990.
The ski drop across the top 5 now consists of a vertical piece of wood screwed to the end frame, then a piece of damp MDF (4mm) that has been sawn to miss the runners and then soaked into its curved shape is added.  The waterslide decals after 2 coats of laquer to strengthen them and seal the numbers in. they are still incredibly delicate....3 coats next time!  I should have put them on like this but used black. or white on 'clear' and be able to view the wooden background. Taffy
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Post by taffy on Apr 14, 2022 10:51:38 GMT
Can anybody sell me one of these old pre-war Sams skittles? cheers Taffy Attachments:
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Post by tommo III on Apr 14, 2022 11:00:14 GMT
Your best bet is Alan Mee: ask him nicely and I'm sure he'll make you one.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Apr 14, 2022 18:01:52 GMT
I've got several old pegs but don't remember having one with rings on the stem.
New one won't have the patina of age.
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Post by taffy on Apr 14, 2022 19:05:01 GMT
I've got several old pegs but don't remember having one with rings on the stem. New one won't have the patina of age.
agreed!
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Post by tommo III on Apr 14, 2022 20:27:00 GMT
Get Al to make two identical then. Then bury them in the garden for a week. Then dig 'em up .... et voila !
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Post by taffy on Oct 26, 2022 13:33:36 GMT
My most recently repaired table is a Jelks known hereon as the Jelks4. It is the first of the Dover tables and was once in the Alma, Deal. Work carried out has been just good old school maintenance, the addition of noise suppresing carpet underlay, a swop of scoring discs, the recloth of the ball tray which had the moths attack it and also more green baize in each runner for quietness as much as anything. It has a hydraulic arm which is really quite handy! I also took the cushions off and plained 4mm off them to get them down to the level of the surrounding wood. It now looks a lot cleaner! Initially I pulled in the cloth hard and stapled but the ball bounce wasn't good so i picked the staples on one face and re-stapled pulling more gently and the result was a far more satisfactory bounce. I polished up the timer with a brass-wire haired rotary wheel - very pleased! A new D was glued down and all the appropriate spots marked (not my usual way, i like felt-tipped pens!) and the slates relevance to the centre line was impressively correct, correct and 1mm out when measured in three places! rubber stoppers for the tray, on the bar drop edge itself and polished brass coin drop slot and scoreboard with Brasso complete the picture. All in all a very nice table and updated. It now resides in the Dykes End, Reach a village NW of Burwell, Cambs. Attachments:
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Post by taffy on Dec 5, 2022 13:37:40 GMT
A new table is ready to rumble from Taffy's stable - Jelks5. This is the second Jelks that came from Dover BBA and is coded 2916. It has new cloth, skittles, polished balls, new cues, with score discs changed (or painted). The undertray has been re-clothed in the baize that 'was' the cloth. It plays well, no troubles with the slate or mechanism. The table came with no front scoredisc strip yet I had one somewhere and fitted it! The trouble was that with the thick sponges in the ball tray, you would only ever see one ball! so out came the sponges and in went 4mm furniture pads. There was no lock on it - quite an effort, the cushions didn't squeeze up at the corners either so I slipped a little 4mm wooden disc in. Money box got a coat too and clothed inside. The wooden trim around the top has been battered in its time but it is what it is; lots of "patina"! Just need a pub or club now! Taffy Attachments:
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Post by taffy on Mar 30, 2023 10:56:01 GMT
cheers
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Post by Chris_Sav on Mar 30, 2023 11:53:21 GMT
I was lucky the timer was already good for the old £1 yet the new ones fit too. There are two ways of letting a coin drop; the first is that the pull shaft is over another shaft and is rather crude in that the tongue simply stops the coin or lets it through, the other version is a spring loaded pin with an hour-glass waist. The under-slot method was the brilliant innovation, carefully engineered, we came up with to accept both old and new pound coins during the transition period but not actuate on anything else. The option to revert was maintained once old pounds were out of circulation. An excellent modelling engineering friend was engaged to convert most of the clocks to that method and it took a lot of time. I'll let him know the new owner finds it rather crude.
Incidentally the underslot method works fine providing the slot on top of the table is the correct size and is the only method that has been used historically when clocks have needed to accept more than one coin.
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