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Post by Chris on Dec 5, 2017 7:10:42 GMT
Dear All
Affiliation fees for 2018 are due by January 1st 2018, if you pay by BACs please ensure you email me or post below that you have transferred the monies.
Sort Code 30-12-51 Account Number 01069638
Received to date:
Hampshire £20 Suffolk £20 Northants £20 Kent £20 Sussex £20 Surrey £20 Berkshire £20 Oxfordshire £20 Buckinghamshire £20 Nottinghamshire £20 Cambridge £20
Many thanks Chris
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 9:35:42 GMT
Hi,
Have transferred the fees for Northants this morning.
Lorin
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Post by Chris on Dec 14, 2017 17:26:07 GMT
Surrey Berks Oxford Bucks Any others ??
Still outstanding
Chris
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Post by JB on Dec 14, 2017 17:48:58 GMT
Sussex fees went in the post today
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Post by Chris on Dec 14, 2017 18:05:07 GMT
Already added in Jean see above as I got them today x
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Post by dougcarswell on Dec 14, 2017 22:20:46 GMT
Bucks sorting this weekend :-)
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Post by Chris on Dec 15, 2017 18:56:13 GMT
Thanks Doug x
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Post by Chris on Dec 17, 2017 20:17:42 GMT
Still missing Surrey, Berks and Oxford.
Do Cambridge or Yorkshire want to affiliate for 2018 ?
Please remember that the rules are that the fees double after 1 month of the due date and I feel that now may be the time to apply the rules.
Thanks Chris
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 0:13:17 GMT
Dear All Affiliation fees for 2018 ....... Received to date ........ Any others ?? Many thanks Chris Are we forgetting Notts ?
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 18, 2017 8:03:40 GMT
Just thinking. Does the Cambridgeshire league even exist anymore?
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 18, 2017 9:30:36 GMT
Cambridge were suspended for non payment of affiliation fees, though they may have paid up since as they were represented in the AEBBA Singles this year.
Pending the arrival of the minutes of the 2017 A.G.M. no votes for admission of new counties were taken at the A.G.M. whilst I was there.
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Post by Ian Gordon on Dec 18, 2017 11:17:20 GMT
Hi Chris
I have transferred the Oxon county fees.
Thanks
Ian
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Post by joefoxon on Dec 19, 2017 2:57:30 GMT
Pending the arrival of the minutes of the 2017 A.G.M. no votes for admission of new counties were taken at the A.G.M. whilst I was there. I think that due to a number of members seeming to think that we somehow cheated our way in (despite not even being present), we will withdraw our affiliation this year and go through the "proper" channels next year...
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 19, 2017 9:33:20 GMT
Why should you have been cheating? AEBBA are the stewards at competitions. New affiliations must be agreed by majority vote at an A.G.M.
From what I have heard it was 'forgotten about' by AEBBA during the course of this year's A.G.M. and mentioned after the meeting had closed.
Remember that I was not there for the final few minutes of the A.G.M. so could be wrong. We await the minutes.
If new affiliates were not discussed during the course of the A.G.M. then a swift E.G.M. could be called at Bournemouth before the next round of AEBBA tournaments commences for 2018, it would only be a quick head nod to accept any new county.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 10:02:14 GMT
Hi All,
This is sadly a very clear example of how we can make it both difficult and unattractive for people to join our 'happy' band. This has got to change.
For clarity - due to the sheer volumes of people that needed to depart the AGM it was appropriate to close the meeting down before Nottinghamshire affiliation was voted upon. For my part - this is a rule that benefits nobody and ought to change.
After the meeting a conversation was held between myself, Pete Sainsbury, Nigel Senior, Dave Alder and Curt Driver where we agreed to acknowledge and support the request from Notts - it would be ludicrous to diminish their enthusiasm - and seek to ratify their Affiliation at the earliest possible opportunity. We felt that, under the circumstances, this was a sensible way forward.
I would love to call an EGM to have this matter dealt with swiftly but - yet again - the constitution does not allow for this as it demands that the counties only can call for this meeting. How have we got ourselves to this point?????? It is just crazy.
So, I will be emailing county secretaries today to invite them to request and EGM with this as the only matter for discussion. I hope to hold the EGM in the coming days and have this matter put to bed.
I only hope that, even in doing this, it does not leave a bad taste for our new friends.
What a welcome, honestly!
I hope this clarifies how we will proceed.
Lorin
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Post by joefoxon on Dec 19, 2017 17:41:59 GMT
Looks like the discussion was not minuted, so we shall await affiliation next year.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 19, 2017 18:32:42 GMT
Looks like the discussion was not minuted, so we shall await affiliation next year. Lorin has already said that an E.G.M. could be called.
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Post by Ian Gordon on Dec 19, 2017 21:24:37 GMT
Why does an E.G.M need to be called? We want to promote the game and get more counties involved within AEBBA! Sod the rules, this should be a given that they can join!
What a welcome Notts have received so far!!!
Ian
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Post by joefoxon on Dec 20, 2017 0:51:01 GMT
Them's the rules, it seems!
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Post by Ian Gordon on Dec 20, 2017 10:43:06 GMT
Them's the rules, it seems! Rules are there to be twisted/broken if it is for the good of the game!! There are a few people that don't think like this and it should be left to the AEBBA committee to decide! This is for the definitely for the good of the game, especially good for AEBBA as it is another county added to their bow! Ian
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Post by BigPhilMac on Dec 20, 2017 12:23:20 GMT
The more I look into these rules in the constitution the more I can see that too many are unfit for purpose. It's infuriating that there are about 1000 layers of bureaucracy to get anything done!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 12:36:01 GMT
Rules are there to be twisted/broken if it is for the good of the game!! There are a few people that don't think like this and it should be left to the AEBBA committee to decide! This is for the definitely for the good of the game, especially good for AEBBA as it is another county added to their bow! Ian This is not a black-and-white situation. It is true that under Rule 17) The A.E.B.B.A. committee is empowered to act in the case of any contingency that may arise which is not provided for in these rules. It is clearly defined, however, under Rule 4) that new affiliations have to be approved by a majority of votes at an AGM. Hence mention of the possibility of an EGM to correct the matter left open-ended at the AGM. The AEBBA have to be seen to be adhering to set rules, or we have anarchy. Certain protocols have therefore to be followed..... We are told that the Committee have already discussed the matter favourably in camera, and I am confident they will deliver a timely and satisfactory conclusion.
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Post by Ian Gordon on Dec 20, 2017 13:21:06 GMT
Rules are there to be twisted/broken if it is for the good of the game!! There are a few people that don't think like this and it should be left to the AEBBA committee to decide! This is for the definitely for the good of the game, especially good for AEBBA as it is another county added to their bow! Ian This is not a black-and-white situation. It is true that under Rule 17) The A.E.B.B.A. committee is empowered to act in the case of any contingency that may arise which is not provided for in these rules. It is clearly defined, however, under Rule 4) that new affiliations have to be approved by a majority of votes at an AGM. Hence mention of the possibility of an EGM to correct the matter left open-ended at the AGM. The AEBBA have to be seen to be adhering to set rules, or we have anarchy. Certain protocols have therefore to be followed..... We are told that the Committee have already discussed the matter favourably in camera, and I am confident they will deliver a timely and satisfactory conclusion. I'm not disputing that the rules state all this I am just questioning the reasoning why this just can't be carried forward without the need of an E.G.M!! I'm sure Sav being from Kent is not going to travel to Reading just to vote on this issue only and it needs sorting out sooner than Bournemouth (just over 3 months away)! Let's use common sense!! Ian
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Post by Chris_Sav on Dec 20, 2017 14:19:00 GMT
Quite correct that I would not be travelling up from Dover for an EGM, however there is no need of one before Bournemouth as there are no AEBBA competitions.
An EGM can be held at Bournemouth with little inconvenience to anyone, however AEBBA CANNOT call an EGM, that must be done by 50% of the county secretaries. Start lobbying your county secretary where it can do some good!
In the meantime the current rules, whether we like them or not, must be adhered to. You cannot cherry pick them.
Give the new AEBBA secretary time to find his feet and I believe changes will follow.
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Post by milhouse on Dec 20, 2017 14:31:15 GMT
Quite correct that I would not be travelling up from Dover for an EGM, however there is no need of one before Bournemouth as there are no AEBBA competitions. An EGM can be held at Bournemouth with little inconvenience to anyone, however AEBBA CANNOT call an EGM, that must be done by 50% of the county secretaries. Start lobbying your county secretary where it can do some good! In the meantime the current rules, whether we like them or not, must be adhered to. You cannot cherry pick them. Give the new AEBBA secretary time to find his feet and I believe changes will follow. Is Bournemouth not an AEBBA competition ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 14:39:16 GMT
Hi All,
Please stop the bus!
Everyone is a little bit right, ok?
The current rules demand that this can only be resolved either at the next AGM or through an EGM. I cannot call an EGM as the AEBBA Secretary or Committee currently do not have the powers to do so, but have been in touch already with County Secretaries to get this called. The EGM need not be delayed as long as the event in Bournemouth and will be conducted remotely.
I will publish full details in the coming days but expect this to be fulfilled and the matter put to bed very swiftly. As such, I would kindly ask you to bear with me on this.
As for the wider implications of the current constitution - I have made it clear that I intend to seek approval to modify these to ensure they fully support and enable the committee to progress AEBBA operations. This will take at least two months but please expect this too in due course.
Best wishes,
Lorin
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Dec 20, 2017 18:29:40 GMT
Hi All, This is sadly a very clear example of how we can make it both difficult and unattractive for people to join our 'happy' band. This has got to change. For clarity - due to the sheer volumes of people that needed to depart the AGM it was appropriate to close the meeting down before Nottinghamshire affiliation was voted upon. For my part - this is a rule that benefits nobody and ought to change. After the meeting a conversation was held between myself, Pete Sainsbury, Nigel Senior, Dave Alder and Curt Driver where we agreed to acknowledge and support the request from Notts - it would be ludicrous to diminish their enthusiasm - and seek to ratify their Affiliation at the earliest possible opportunity. We felt that, under the circumstances, this was a sensible way forward. I would love to call an EGM to have this matter dealt with swiftly but - yet again - the constitution does not allow for this as it demands that the counties only can call for this meeting. How have we got ourselves to this point?????? It is just crazy. So, I will be emailing county secretaries today to invite them to request and EGM with this as the only matter for discussion. I hope to hold the EGM in the coming days and have this matter put to bed. I only hope that, even in doing this, it does not leave a bad taste for our new friends. What a welcome, honestly! I hope this clarifies how we will proceed. Lorin Nice to see a quick response from Elsie on the boards and with a bit of sense too, looks like the AEBBA may now be moving in the right direction, wonder if other committees will take the lead and move in the right direction too
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Post by bigtj on Dec 20, 2017 20:21:15 GMT
Here, here come on lets get behind the new secretary and support the game going forward, less bureaucracy would be good and like most constitutional rules these are not looked at very often and do need sifting o see they are still relevant. Good to see things being pushed forward at a pace.
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Post by David.G on Jan 14, 2018 12:47:55 GMT
Berks Affiliation Fee paid today
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Post by Chris on Jan 15, 2018 9:41:26 GMT
All done - Many thanks to all counties x
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