Pete S
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Post by Pete S on May 15, 2018 5:12:27 GMT
Hi All Entry forms attached Pete S
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Post by bigtj on May 15, 2018 6:25:48 GMT
Pete is it one or the other or can you enter both???
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Post by Pete S on May 15, 2018 6:49:13 GMT
Pete is it one or the other or can you enter both??? TJ thanks for pointing out my omission you may only enter 1 of the competitions
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Post by milhouse on May 16, 2018 17:38:14 GMT
Hi Pete,
Can you explain why there are 2 entry forms and what is happening with the open? I am presuming you are running the open differently to other opens but i can't see any discussion or explanation regarding what is happening. Thanks
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Post by Pete S on May 18, 2018 17:59:43 GMT
Hi Pete, Can you explain why there are 2 entry forms and what is happening with the open? I am presuming you are running the open differently to other opens but i can't see any discussion or explanation regarding what is happening. Thanks Mark Due to the low entry uptake last year it was decided at the Kent AGM that we would run a competition for players ranked over 50 (as at 31st Dec 2017) in the hope this would encourage players not quite as good as the elite players to enter the competition to increase numbers. If numbers continue to decline as seems to be the norm our open is not sustainable. hope that clarifies the matter
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Post by jelly on May 20, 2018 8:42:36 GMT
Hi, on the entry form it says Kent Classic, is this the same competition as the Kent Open? Sorry haven't played in it before so just wanted to check.
Thanks, Joe
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Post by Pete S on May 20, 2018 10:00:28 GMT
Yes the Kent classic is what the Kent open is called
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 21, 2018 9:25:49 GMT
Hi Pete,
Will you accept a bank transfer?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:43:09 GMT
Hi Pete, Just a quick comment that I hope you won't mind me making. At first glance (I don't always afford myself the chance to study in depth) it looked like your secondary competition was exclusively for persons over 50 (these days "over 50" (for seniors) competitions are commonplace).
Then after speaking to someone more "in the know" the penny dropped and you are effectively resurrecting the Kent Minnows - a competition for people not ranked in the top 50 nationally.
I say this as there may be others apart from myself labouring under the same misapprehension.
IMHO you have taken a prudent measure and probably a necessary one in view of recent diminishing numbers.
Is it the plan though to still run a Plate with the Open ? Only it makes sense to me that a Plate would best serve the Minnows. The top players are likely to still enter the Classic whether there is a Plate or not, and the (shall we say) lesser players would probably appreciate a Plate without the prospect of facing a top player who had an unlucky first round draw.
I hope you get a good response for the Minnows. Having a choice of entering the Major or the Minor competition (like in the Chess world) may also be the way of the future for other Opens.
Rgds tommo
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Post by BigPhilMac on May 21, 2018 10:48:24 GMT
Hi Pete, Just a quick comment that I hope you won't mind me making. At first glance (I don't always afford myself the chance to study in depth) it looked like your secondary competition was exclusively for persons over 50 (these days "over 50" (for seniors) competitions are commonplace). Then after speaking to someone more "in the know" the penny dropped and you are effectively resurrecting the Kent Minnows - a competition for people not ranked in the top 50 nationally. I say this as there may be others apart from myself labouring under the same misapprehension. IMHO you have taken a prudent measure and probably a necessary one in view of recent diminishing numbers. Is it the plan though to still run a Plate with the Open ? Only it makes sense to me that a Plate would best serve the Minnows. The top players are likely to still enter the Classic whether there is a Plate or not, and the (shall we say) lesser players would probably appreciate a Plate without the prospect of facing a top player who had an unlucky first round draw. I hope you get a good response for the Minnows. Having a choice of entering the Major or the Minor competition (like in the Chess world) may also be the way of the future for other Opens. Rgds tommo Very eloquently put Clive. Totally agree with you.
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Post by jelly on May 21, 2018 13:07:25 GMT
Does the competition for "over 50 ranking players" carry ranking points? Also, as an over 50 ranked player would I be allowed to enter both competitions?
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Post by "Silent" on May 21, 2018 13:22:38 GMT
Does the competition for "over 50 ranking players" carry ranking points? Also, as an over 50 ranked player would I be allowed to enter both competitions? One of the answers is near the top of the thread Joe
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 15:37:08 GMT
Hi Joe, As Silent hints, the information you need is probably available if you are willing to search for it !
You can always research what happened in previous years by visiting the thread "County Opens" under the All-England Board.
Kent this year is unique in that last year they departed from the usual Open format as they had fewer than 48 entries which seems to be the yardstick. So the 40 who entered were drawn into 8 groups of 5 players for a Round Robin, with the top 2 of each group advancing to the Last 16, and the rest going into a Plate.
How it pans out this year will largely depend on the entries they get for the two rival competitions (no, you have to decide which one to go for and can't enter both !) My guess is that there won't be many takers for the Minnows at the first time of asking, so a repeat of last year is probably on the cards.
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Post by jelly on May 21, 2018 17:44:37 GMT
Does the competition for "over 50 ranking players" carry ranking points? Also, as an over 50 ranked player would I be allowed to enter both competitions? One of the answers is near the top of the thread Joe Oops, missed that sorry! Well hopefully the minor tournament will generate a bit of local support and increase numbers for the day. The group format for the open comp sounds good! I hope to be able to enter it once I've double checked the date. Cheers Joe
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Post by milhouse on May 22, 2018 17:37:29 GMT
Is it the plan though to still run a Plate with the Open ? Only it makes sense to me that a Plate would best serve the Minnows. The top players are likely to still enter the Classic whether there is a Plate or not, and the (shall we say) lesser players would probably appreciate a Plate without the prospect of facing a top player who had an unlucky first round draw. I do disagree with this Clive as if you are playing in the "main open" and are only going to get a "top" opponent, you may only get 1 go at the table (ask Sid re plate final Sunday as example!) and if there is no plate, that could be a long way to go and a long day just for 1 game.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2018 22:43:43 GMT
I don't think you should dismiss the concept out of hand Mark.
Having said that, a normal Plate is almost certainly on the cards for this year, if my prediction is correct of about 40 entering the Main and only 8 takers for the Minnows.
Just suppose there was an even split, though, say 24 in each (could happen a few years down the line). In such a case I reckon the Plate should go across to the Minnows. The 24 in the Main would probably be split into round robin groups, so it wouldn't be a case of playing one match and then B.F.H. (as Jim Bowen would say).
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Post by milhouse on May 22, 2018 23:24:04 GMT
I don't think you should dismiss the concept out of hand Mark. Having said that, a normal Plate is almost certainly on the cards for this year, if my prediction is correct of about 40 entering the Main and only 8 takers for the Minnows. Just suppose there was an even split, though, say 24 in each (could happen a few years down the line). In such a case I reckon the Plate should go across to the Minnows. The 24 in the Main would probably be split into round robin groups, so it wouldn't be a case of playing one match and then B.F.H. (as Jim Bowen would say). I am not dismissing the idea, i think it is great that Kent have come up with ideas/suggestions to improve numbers to their open. I just don't think that potentially only offering 1 match will be enough to encourage people to enter. If it is played as groups then that would be better but that cannot be known until final entry numbers are known. Just look at the international away in Jersey with people not wanting to travel because of the same reason of only playing 1 match.
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Post by Pete S on May 23, 2018 5:29:43 GMT
Hi Pete, Just a quick comment that I hope you won't mind me making. At first glance (I don't always afford myself the chance to study in depth) it looked like your secondary competition was exclusively for persons over 50 (these days "over 50" (for seniors) competitions are commonplace). Then after speaking to someone more "in the know" the penny dropped and you are effectively resurrecting the Kent Minnows - a competition for people not ranked in the top 50 nationally. I say this as there may be others apart from myself labouring under the same misapprehension. IMHO you have taken a prudent measure and probably a necessary one in view of recent diminishing numbers. Is it the plan though to still run a Plate with the Open ? Only it makes sense to me that a Plate would best serve the Minnows. The top players are likely to still enter the Classic whether there is a Plate or not, and the (shall we say) lesser players would probably appreciate a Plate without the prospect of facing a top player who had an unlucky first round draw. I hope you get a good response for the Minnows. Having a choice of entering the Major or the Minor competition (like in the Chess world) may also be the way of the future for other Opens. Rgds tommo Tommo thanks for the comments, always welcome, however, (and not intended to offend) with regard to being under a misapprehension this is often the problem with people using this and other forums, you did not read what was posted. The entry form couldn't be clearer it is named "Kent over 50 ranked entry form" and on the form in bold text clearly states the terms of entry. I can confirm there will be a plate for the main competition and the format for the day will be decided once numbers are confirmed. Pete
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 9:45:12 GMT
Does the competition for "over 50 ranking players" carry ranking points? I would imagine they would be, but reduced as for a 'Minor Open' - but the National Rankings Committee will need to confirm this.
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Post by Pete S on May 23, 2018 11:55:13 GMT
Does the competition for "over 50 ranking players" carry ranking points? I would imagine they would be, but reduced as for a 'Minor Open' - but the National Rankings Committee will need to confirm this. Tommo Awaiting confirmation from the ranking committee Pete P.S will speak to Nigel today to clarify ranking points.
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Post by Pete S on Jun 10, 2018 6:49:44 GMT
All
please note closing date changed it is now 19th June
Also the under 50 ranked (minnows) probably will not take place due to complete lack of interest
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Post by Pete S on Jun 18, 2018 8:12:50 GMT
I would imagine they would be, but reduced as for a 'Minor Open' - but the National Rankings Committee will need to confirm this. Tommo Awaiting confirmation from the ranking committee Pete P.S will speak to Nigel today to clarify ranking points. I can confirm that there will be no ranking points for the over 50 ranked Pete
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Post by chriscox83 on Jun 19, 2018 18:18:19 GMT
Please add Chris cox is bank transfer available.
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