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Post by marmite on Apr 10, 2019 22:02:37 GMT
As I feel this is an important decision by the commitee is it possible for someone to explain the reasoning behind asking Kevin to conceed his semi final match with Mark.
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Post by "Silent" on Apr 10, 2019 22:30:59 GMT
As I feel this is an important decision by the commitee is it possible for someone to explain the reasoning behind asking Kevin to conceed his semi final match with Mark. He is unavailable for finals night |
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Post by marmite on Apr 11, 2019 9:01:48 GMT
Thanks for the in depth response, which Finals is he in at the moment ?
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Post by "Silent" on Apr 11, 2019 9:46:29 GMT
Thanks for the in depth response, which Finals is he in at the moment ? You will find all the details here barbilliards.proboards.com/thread/21636/competition-semi-finals-draw-2018All those in green are through and available to play finals night. Kevin was asked to withdraw because he is away finals night. To avoid a situation where he would be unable to play in what might be considered the premier event of the evening this was done prior to the semi-final, I only found out his unavailability at the Bournemouth weekend in March. As for the Open Doubles, Kevin asked me if it was possible to remain in this as he felt it letting his partner down if he had to withdraw from this as well. I felt that through no fault of Mick he would possibly be denied the chance of playing in a final. Whilst not ideal, and if the situation does arise, I am prepared to speak to the other finalists and change the date, on this one occasion. Hopefully, in the future, players will not enter if they are unavailable for finals night and if a situation does arise (other than emergency) where they can't play on the set night they will withdraw. |
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Post by marmite on Apr 11, 2019 15:49:16 GMT
I understand this is a difficult situation and i sympathise with the problem, as you know the same occurred in Worthing with Barney, their match was played and situation resolved. Why was this not offered here, one is quite capable of beating the other. If Kevin wins then as with the doubles the final it is re-arranged, surely as its our premier event we want the best player to win and therefore represent our town in other comps ( whether thats Kevin or not ). How do we grade a final, are we having one rule for one and not for all ?.Is the finals night venue only available when Kevin is away ? One more response Matt and then I will shut up.
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Post by "Silent" on Apr 11, 2019 16:26:58 GMT
You are absolutely right that the two competitions have been treated differently and it is not something I wish to repeat (if I am still Competitions Secretary). I feel strongly that competition finals should be played on the scheduled night, after all the date has been known since September. The option of another night for the Open Doubles has been left available so that a player through no fault of their own could have the chance to play in a final, many believe that is lenient.
And with all due respect I do more than enough for the league and certainly do not want to be giving up another night to be at another final on a different night.
Worthing have a different view, it is one that I nor many others agree with, but that was their decision. They already have one final going to be played on another night, there is a possibility of another and a third was only averted because Paul lost.
As such I will be looking to propose a new rule in the Brighton League for next year, along similar lines to the excellent rule that the Littlehampton League has that if a player becomes aware they are unavailable for finals night they should withdraw at that stage thus avoiding the situation that has arisen this year.
Colin, I feel that everyone is now aware of the situation, of course it is right that people have different opinions. I wish to make it clear that all decisions regarding competitions have always been taken by me and me alone, no-one has influenced my decision and the only other person I have formally discussed this with is the League Chairman. He will always give his point of view but will always leave the final decision to me.
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Post by hevvie on Apr 12, 2019 6:16:37 GMT
As this debate is now public for everyone to read, i will share my opinions and urge others to do the same.
As a lowly division 2 player, finals night has always been a spectacle that i have found entertaining. This year i have been lucky enough to get through to a final (mixed pairs) So finals night is a chance for lesser players, such as myself to play on the same stage as the greats.
The side of the player who has been asked to withdraw is fully being discussed on this thread. But have the opponents been considered? Are they being robbed of their moment in the spotlight, if asked to play in some other pub, on some other day, without a finals night audience???
To me, that is the point of entering competitions. To be part of a great finals night.
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Post by moppy on Apr 12, 2019 11:37:37 GMT
If Kevin is withdrawn, is it a walkover or will Kevin's earlier opponent step in.
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Post by 4timeschamp on Apr 12, 2019 15:12:48 GMT
It would be a walkover Moppy. You can’t bring somebody back in who has been beaten.
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Post by marmite on Apr 12, 2019 15:38:59 GMT
This is true, but you can get rid of someone who has nt been beaten, games should be won or lost on the table, with no rule this semi should be played and then deal with the final. Bring in a rule next year.
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Post by bobhall on Apr 12, 2019 15:55:51 GMT
This is true, but you can get rid of someone who has nt been beaten, games should be won or lost on the table, with no rule this semi should be played and then deal with the final. Bring in a rule next year. Ok sadly finals night is now cancelled as no matches can be played as everyone is away now that would make it a complete joke. The right decision has been made i think its time to accept this and as a committee member i fully support the competition secretaries decision. |
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Post by JB on Apr 12, 2019 17:01:38 GMT
One question
Would you enter competitions knowing that you were not going to be available to play on finals night?
I know I wouldn’t
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Post by marmite on Apr 12, 2019 18:24:45 GMT
The committee knew Kevin was unavailable after Bournemouth ( early March ) why was nt he asked to leave then and not play his quarter final against Steve Burns.
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Post by JB on Apr 12, 2019 18:56:25 GMT
Yes Bournemouth was early March and the closing date for this round was 13th March.why was it left so late to tell the committee when the published date for finals night was 5 months before this
There was also a round before this that was to be played by 16th Jan. Why was nothing said then
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Post by racehorse on Apr 12, 2019 18:58:03 GMT
The committee knew Kevin was unavailable after Bournemouth ( early March ) why was nt he asked to leave then and not play his quarter final against Steve Burns. Is Steve in semi finals? Only think it is fair? On a serious note I’m not happy with Matt getting the abuse here and knowing KT the gentleman he is, would agree. The game is slowly dying out so can’t we just all be friends? |
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Post by marmite on Apr 12, 2019 19:16:46 GMT
I don t see abuse, just a difference of opinion, personally I really like and respect all the committee and yes they do a great job, I just don t agree with this decision and this forum gives anyone a chance to air their views.Matches should be settled on the table. This time I will shut up.
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Post by racehorse on Apr 12, 2019 19:49:33 GMT
I don t see abuse, just a difference of opinion, personally I really like and respect all the committee and yes they do a great job, I just don t agree with this decision and this forum gives anyone a chance to air their views.Matches should be settled on the table. This time I will shut up. Please don’t shut up. I respect your opinion more than anyone. Just felt Matt was getting too much grief. I am confident all leagues are being run correctly and we all have the the chance to take over or be on committee. I’m sure you will agree. You can’t please everyone all the time. I reckon play the final as is then kt v winner at railway on finals night as super champion. But like wba belt in boxing 🥊 |
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Post by little legs on Apr 12, 2019 20:17:44 GMT
As I feel this is an important decision by the commitee is it possible for someone to explain the reasoning behind asking Kevin to conceed his semi final match with Mark (quote from Colin) .
Colin, I feel that everyone is now aware of the situation, of course it is right that people have different opinions. I wish to make it clear that all decisions regarding competitions have always been taken by me and me alone, no-one has influenced my decision and the only other person I have formally discussed this with is the League Chairman. He will always give his point of view but will always leave the final decision to me.
(qouted by Matt)
As a member of the committee the full situation of this was only explained to me today , as Matt said he took this decision alone , now having seen responses from most of the committee it seems that most are agreeing of the situation and I'm sure Matt or our chairman Jim will clarify the situation .
This is not a moan at anyone on either side and sure the problem is solved amicably .
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