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Post by Chris on Jul 17, 2020 22:11:19 GMT
Many now playing... But a Pub in Portsmouth raided for this as in by police and could lose licence. Yet other venues playing now but not reported.
Just info not up to be shouted down.
Chris x
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 22:59:29 GMT
Agree with you, Chris. It's up to individual choice, same as wearing masks will be when out shopping from the 24th.
But as Daveuk1 says, there is more at stake for the venues if raided than being closed down: were they to be found to be the source of a fresh Covid-19 outbreak they could find themselves in court.
But the news from on high was good today, with indoor gatherings being sanctioned from next month: looking promising for the restoration of the County Opens etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 9:41:36 GMT
Sav - your banner introducing the Forum suggests that playing of bar billiards is still banned under Government regulations.
My understanding is that bar billiards counts as an "Indoor Sports Area" - for which an easing of restrictions has recently been announced. But gatherings of no more than 30 permitted. (So League matches okay with continued sanitization/distancing measures - but not 'Opens'.)
Can you establish the latest official line for us, please ?
Thanks, tommo
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 15, 2020 10:34:49 GMT
Incorrect Clive in my view. I can find no reference to any "Indoor Sports Area". Please quote anything you have found.
To quote from that Bar billiard team games involve more than two households. I'll drop the government department an email for latest info on pub games. I sent the last BEIS info to AEBBA but did not get a reply.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 12:39:57 GMT
Incorrect Clive in my view. I can find no reference to any "Indoor Sports Area". Please quote anything you have found.
Well, this makes interesting reading as it comes from Preston (Lancs) council - so sort of official - and Preston has been designated an "Area of Intervention" (ie in semi-lockdown due to a known rise in Covid-19 cases. Indoor Sports such as Pool are mentioned:
.......and this is the specific guide for distancing/sanitisation for the duration of Level 3:
Thanks on behalf of eveyone for your offer to request official clarification.
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Post by bobhall on Aug 15, 2020 12:43:22 GMT
Incorrect Clive in my view. I can find no reference to any "Indoor Sports Area". Please quote anything you have found.
Well, this makes interesting reading as it comes from Preston (Lancs) council - so sort of official - and Preston has been designated an "Area of Intervention" (ie in semi-lockdown due to a known rise in Covid-19 cases. Indoor Sports such as Pool are mentioned: .......and this is the specific guide for distancing/sanitisation for the duration of Level 3:
Thanks on behalf of eveyone for your offer to request official clarification.
As far as I am aware I am an elite sportsman playing an elite sports which means I can play barbilliards in competitions as long as I follow the guidelines
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Post by bobhall on Aug 15, 2020 12:47:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 12:59:36 GMT
Well, Elite Sportsman Bob, that document was produced back in May to cover Level 3 of lockdown, but I would not have thought that we would have been able to play since all that time ago.
The examples I have just produced for Sav are the latest I have been able to find, produced this month (August).
Hopefully we will not have to wait too much longer for an announcement of a shift to Level 2 (although places like Leicester and Greater Manchester will remain a stage behind).
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 15, 2020 12:59:36 GMT
Nothing is official or should be quoted unless it comes from an accredited source.
Preston Council is not one and the advice on their site has already attracted a complaint - from me strangely enough. It is incorrect and perhaps the reason that Preston has recently had additional restrictions and special measures enforced!
Government advice is still indoor gatherings restricted to two households or support bubbles.
In addition, Sport England are working with the government on the reintroduction of team sport but only where their national governing body has produced sport specific government approved covid guidelines. That has not happened in Bar Billiards and could AEBBA be considered or even would they wish to be considered the national governing body for Bar Billiards?
I know and appreciate that various groups are striving to save our game from disappearing into obscurity, but this forum must not contain information promoting ignoring government safety guidelines.
"Stay alert, control the virus, SAVE LIVES"
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 15, 2020 13:07:59 GMT
As far as I am aware I am an elite sportsman playing an elite sports which means I can play barbilliards in competitions as long as I follow the guidelines Sport England would not even recognise Bar Billiards as a sport last time they were approached
Let alone a knock-around down the local boozer being considered an "elite sport".
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Post by JB on Aug 15, 2020 13:35:46 GMT
I assume that was a joke. Just trying to imagine bar billiard players as elite sportsmen playing an elite sport 😂😂
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Post by dillon on Aug 15, 2020 15:23:55 GMT
As regards 'elite sports', there is no specific definition. May I suggest that an 'elite sport' may be simply one which commands a great deal of money from it's followers,such as soccer,darts,golf,snooker etc. A true sport is one that you do yourselves, for sport. . I have spent a great deal of money on bar billiards but it is not elite. More replete really! Hohum. One day......
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Post by daveuk1 on Aug 15, 2020 16:03:29 GMT
People seem to be forgetting that any bussiness that is found to be operating in a way that could increase the risk of transmission can be shut down. This means basically if your local pub is allowing gatherings of more than two households to take place they risk being prosecuted and losing their business. I'm pretty dam sure there are not many, if any bar billiards teams made up purely of people from one household so even allowing a friendly knock about on the table between just one team could be enough to get the landlord into not water.
Covid hasnt gone away, infact its coming right back at us now and any thoughts of playing bar billiards in any form other than a friendly game between a couple of mates should be put on hold.
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Post by barbelman on Aug 17, 2020 10:22:57 GMT
For those who haven't read the current Government guidelines, this paragraph pertains to our situation (from the link to info that Sav has kindly posted.)
Gatherings in COVID-19 secure venues When meeting friends and family, even in venues like restaurants, pubs, places of worship or community centres, you should follow the guidance on gatherings and:
only meet indoors in groups up to 2 households – this includes when dining out or going to the pub only meet outdoors in a group of no more than 2 households or in a group of up to 6 people from different households Anyone in your support bubble counts as one household.
Clubs or groups can begin to meet again in COVID-19 secure venues. However, you should take care to remain socially distant from anyone you do not live with or is not in your support bubble. You should also limit social interaction with anyone outside of these formal activities even if you see other people you know. Venues should ensure they comply with COVID-19 secure guidelines.
It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 17, 2020 13:07:52 GMT
To quote the playing sports paragraph from the government guidance Directions on obtaining approved guidance are in the link.
Until such time as there are government approved guidelines produced by the bar billiards governing body (AEBBA??) then the advice is team games should not be played.
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Post by 4timeschamp on Aug 18, 2020 14:33:18 GMT
I totally agree with Chris that government advice should be followed as they have given such great advice so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by milhouse on Aug 18, 2020 15:53:31 GMT
For those who haven't read the current Government guidelines, this paragraph pertains to our situation (from the link to info that Sav has kindly posted.) Gatherings in COVID-19 secure venues When meeting friends and family, even in venues like restaurants, pubs, places of worship or community centres, you should follow the guidance on gatherings and:
only meet indoors in groups up to 2 households – this includes when dining out or going to the pub only meet outdoors in a group of no more than 2 households or in a group of up to 6 people from different households Anyone in your support bubble counts as one household.
Clubs or groups can begin to meet again in COVID-19 secure venues. However, you should take care to remain socially distant from anyone you do not live with or is not in your support bubble. You should also limit social interaction with anyone outside of these formal activities even if you see other people you know. Venues should ensure they comply with COVID-19 secure guidelines.
It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.So, you can gather up to 6 people from different households...... the Eynsham league is 3-a-side, so when are we restarting?
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Post by milhouse on Aug 18, 2020 16:03:31 GMT
People seem to be forgetting that any bussiness that is found to be operating in a way that could increase the risk of transmission can be shut down. This means basically if your local pub is allowing gatherings of more than two households to take place they risk being prosecuted and losing their business. I'm pretty dam sure there are not many, if any bar billiards teams made up purely of people from one household so even allowing a friendly knock about on the table between just one team could be enough to get the landlord into not water. Covid hasnt gone away, infact its coming right back at us now and any thoughts of playing bar billiards in any form other than a friendly game between a couple of mates should be put on hold. [MODERATION EDIT] Incorrect information suggesting breaching the two household limit indoors at pubs removed. Please read the government announcements thread before posting
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 18, 2020 17:27:07 GMT
I totally agree with Chris that government advice should be followed as they have given such great advice so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a landlord you may not like it Jim and I can understand why.
The ONLY thing stopping a fully legal resumption of team games is what I suggested on the start of this thread a full two months ago.
Bar Billiards i.e. AEBBA as governing body, produce a set of covid friendly guidelines, as WPBSA did a month ago for snooker, and get them certified as described in the announcements thread.
League play can restart immediately then (should players want to play) with more than two households.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Aug 18, 2020 17:36:54 GMT
So, you can gather up to 6 people from different households...... the Eynsham league is 3-a-side, so when are we restarting?
Perfectly true but you will need to move the tables out into the pub gardens , six people from differing households is an outdoor rule
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Post by barbelman on Aug 19, 2020 10:09:10 GMT
only meet indoors in groups up to 2 households – this includes when dining out or going to the pub only meet outdoors in a group of no more than 2 households or in a group of up to 6 people from different households Anyone in your support bubble counts as one household.
So, you can gather up to 6 people from different households...... the Eynsham league is 3-a-side, so when are we restarting? Looking at the weather forecast, today would be a good day to try it...has the Oracle got a garden?
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Post by milhouse on Aug 19, 2020 18:06:47 GMT
So, you can gather up to 6 people from different households...... the Eynsham league is 3-a-side, so when are we restarting? Looking at the weather forecast, today would be a good day to try it...has the Oracle got a garden? They do have a big car park..... i'll set the other table up outside
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Post by barbelman on Aug 20, 2020 17:27:07 GMT
Pandemic Joke;
The top TWO reasons why COVID-19 is not disappearing in the UK are; 1. The population is very dense. 2. The population is very dense.
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Post by Chris on Aug 20, 2020 18:31:11 GMT
Now that really made me giggle Tony
Brilliant Chris
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Post by milhouse on Sept 11, 2020 11:59:06 GMT
So, according to the latest link that Sav has provided, it's pretty clear that Bar Billards can be played as long as you are no more than 6 players, so 3-a-side leagues are good to go!
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Post by Chris_Sav on Sept 11, 2020 12:50:52 GMT
So, according to the latest link that Sav has provided, it's pretty clear that Bar Billards can be played as long as you are no more than 6 players, so 3-a-side leagues are good to go!
Provided each venue can meet social distancing constraints and you come up with covid secure guidelines for playing the game as Sussex are trying to do.
And, of course, players are happy and do not feel coerced to play.
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