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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 20:32:42 GMT
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Post by jordans on Jul 20, 2020 20:38:55 GMT
Thanks Clive 🙂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 20:48:06 GMT
No probs Dawn, It's just that I noticed that AEBBA still have it as a Forthcoming Event on the 2020 calendar.  |
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Post by milhouse on Jul 21, 2020 0:23:13 GMT
Any reason for not wanting to rearrange it for later in the year? (nothing malicious in the post,just wondering)
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Post by jordans on Jul 21, 2020 14:47:42 GMT
Hi Mark, we just don't know when things will be back to normal, plus all the other opens are already trying to rearrange theirs and we think they are already going to be close together.
Will definitely happen again next year Mark :)
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Post by lewisstrat26 on Jul 21, 2020 17:06:27 GMT
For the safety of everyone I think all opens should be cancelled until 2021. It’s just pure selfishness if people think otherwise
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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 21, 2020 17:13:59 GMT
For the safety of everyone I think all opens should be cancelled until 2021. It’s just pure selfishness if people think otherwise I hate to say it, but I think you are right. There is no way 64 players plus supporters could abide by social distancing rules even before they've had a drink |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 17:22:56 GMT
For the safety of everyone I think all opens should be cancelled until 2021. It’s just pure selfishness if people think otherwise Only your opinion, Lewis. I take the opposite view.
It would be good for AEBBA to get at least some revenue back from table hire from an already ravaged season. Unless they have found away to claim something back from the Government. Foe example, they have overheads like insurance on the van (unless they did a SORN declaration).
We are led to believe that the virus is under control with daily incidents falling. More of a danger to bar billiards maybe is people getting used to not playing and calling it a day. Then there won't be anyone left to play.
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jul 21, 2020 17:33:39 GMT
Don't agree Clive. Until there is a flu jab that includes Coronavirus I, for one, will certainly not be convinced the virus is under control. We will continue to self isolate here.
Health is far more important than AEBBA revenue and feeling obliged to attend an open because your ranking is at stake. And no the van is still on the road, tax has been paid recently.
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Post by lewisstrat26 on Jul 21, 2020 17:39:58 GMT
For the safety of everyone I think all opens should be cancelled until 2021. It’s just pure selfishness if people think otherwise Only your opinion, Lewis. I take the opposite view.
It would be good for AEBBA to get at least some revenue back from table hire from an already ravaged season. Unless they have found away to claim something back from the Government. Foe example, they have overheads like insurance on the van (unless they did a SORN declaration).
We are led to believe that the virus is under control with daily incidents falling. More of a danger to bar billiards maybe is people getting used to not playing and calling it a day. Then there won't be anyone left to play.
I am a person with a few underlying health conditions. I think my opinion is quite a good one and shouldn’t be brushed aside like a piece of rubbish by the way you put that comment. Our health is more important than arranging an open for bar billiards so that the top players can claim more trophies. ps- I will enter the bucks next year if on 😛 |
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Post by Sparky on Jul 21, 2020 17:55:26 GMT
Sorry Clive but I don't agree with you either.
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Post by "Silent" on Jul 21, 2020 18:07:24 GMT
Some fairly aggressive comments on this post, not sure they should be on here as this is to do with the cancelling of the Bucks Open
Somehow the matter got to talking about being selfish, open rankings being at stake and top players claiming more trophies, Dawn and Chrissie run a great tournament so I don't think they need to read stuff like that on a Bucks Open post
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Post by Chris on Jul 21, 2020 18:14:48 GMT
Sorry Clive but I don't agree with you either. I so so agree with Lewis totally keeping safe is most important health wise. Chris x |
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Post by lewisstrat26 on Jul 21, 2020 18:19:40 GMT
Some fairly aggressive comments on this post, not sure they should be on here as this is to do with the cancelling of the Bucks Open Somehow the matter got to talking about being selfish, open rankings being at stake and top players claiming more trophies, Dawn and Chrissie run a great tournament so I don't think they need to read stuff like that on a Bucks Open post I am in no way being aggressive. I am just trying to stress that a persons life is way more important than a game of bar billiards. I never once said that Chrissie and Dawn ran a rubbish tournament. It is one of my favourite venues! (Even if it is in wicum 😉) so please Matt, refrain from making my comments sound as if I’m the bad guy. I am just giving my views from someone that already has underlying health conditions. Didn’t realise that was to be seen as aggressive ?? Also just to let you know I have expressed my interest for next year if safe |
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Post by Chris on Jul 21, 2020 18:25:43 GMT
Some fairly aggressive comments on this post, not sure they should be on here as this is to do with the cancelling of the Bucks Open Somehow the matter got to talking about being selfish, open rankings being at stake and top players claiming more trophies, Dawn and Chrissie run a great tournament so I don't think they need to read stuff like that on a Bucks Open post It's not aggressive at all it is factual. Lewis is just stating about the Health and Safety 're COVID-19 for us 're an Open and I totally agree here with him. I am grateful that people of our younger generation truly understand what will happen if we don't have very strict rules in place. Chris x |
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Post by "Silent" on Jul 21, 2020 18:29:07 GMT
Some fairly aggressive comments on this post, not sure they should be on here as this is to do with the cancelling of the Bucks Open Somehow the matter got to talking about being selfish, open rankings being at stake and top players claiming more trophies, Dawn and Chrissie run a great tournament so I don't think they need to read stuff like that on a Bucks Open post I am in no way being aggressive. I am just trying to stress that a persons life is way more important than a game of bar billiards. I never once said that Chrissie and Dawn ran a rubbish tournament. It is one of my favourite venues! (Even if it is in wicum 😉) so please Matt, refrain from making my comments sound as if I’m the bad guy. I am just giving my views from someone that already has underlying health conditions. Didn’t realise that was to be seen as aggressive ?? Also just to let you know I have expressed my interest for next year if safe Nowhere have I referred to you Lewis apart from your comment about it being selfish not to cancel opens until 2021, surely it is an individuals choice it they want to play or not? If they believe it is safe to play that is their choice the same as it is the choice of yourself, Chris and Graham to name 3 not to. I don't consider either of those groups selfish. I very much hope to see you at the excellently run Bucks Open in 2021 but I fear that if we are expecting a vaccine or 100% safe environment it might be Bucks 2025 if we are still around |
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Post by Chris on Jul 21, 2020 18:54:54 GMT
Some fairly aggressive comments on this post, not sure they should be on here as this is to do with the cancelling of the Bucks Open Somehow the matter got to talking about being selfish, open rankings being at stake and top players claiming more trophies, Dawn and Chrissie run a great tournament so I don't think they need to read stuff like that on a Bucks Open post Could you highlight the aggressive comments please? As I have read this 5 times and cannot sèe one. I certainly don't see anything aimed at myself and Dawn. I just see an interaction 're the Bucks Open with views. Chris x |
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Post by NigelS on Jul 21, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
Firstly I understand why you have had to cancel the open. Let's hope we can have it next year.
I am afraid most posts on this topic I feel sometimes lost respect for others opinions. We are all in different situations and have different levels of confidence with going out and possibly playing right now. Individuals can make their own choice. It is a little different for people running opens where they have a duty of care towards the players who enter. If someone got ill after an open how would the organisers feel? Saying thing like people are being selfish or playing is for the benefit of the top players does not help. Everyone has the right to feel how they feel
I hope we can all get playing as safely as possible as soon as possible. It won't be 100% safe no one can guarantee that, but there will hopefully be a time that people will feel they can run a tournament where they can make it safe enough so enough (and not just the top players) can play
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Post by "Silent" on Jul 21, 2020 19:40:18 GMT
The whole debate is toxic in my opinion Chrissie. You have the camps - one dead set against playing, they want a vaccine or 100% safety or both - that is NEVER happening, that is fine those people can be "healthy" indoors. There are the reckless ones who want to play at all costs and want everything to be the same as is was before. That is fine they can be that. The vast majority, many who don't post and are not interested in ranking points or trophies would like some ideas of ways to restart playing safely and giving themselves the greatest opportunity to play while many still can but doing so as safely as is possible. It doesn't have to be tomorrow.
I know that the Worthing Committee discussed that recently and we also did in Brighton last week, our chairman Jim plans to post the ideas when he returns from holiday. Brighton have 3 venues that have tables and would like them to used if we can. It gives the game some chance of surviving.
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Post by JB on Jul 21, 2020 20:35:36 GMT
Respect your decision Dawn and totally understand.
I also respect people’s choices as Matt said you basically have 3 different camps with their own thoughts for playing or not playing.
Personally I feel that before thinking about playing opens etc with large gatherings we should look at the grass roots of bar billiards first.
Counties/leagues should be looking at ways to help with getting people back playing safely within their own County/league. Without this there is no bar billiards future.
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Post by davejones on Jul 21, 2020 21:24:31 GMT
The whole debate is toxic in my opinion Chrissie. You have the camps - one dead set against playing, they want a vaccine or 100% safety or both - that is NEVER happening, that is fine those people can be "healthy" indoors. There are the reckless ones who want to play at all costs and want everything to be the same as is was before. That is fine they can be that. The vast majority, many who don't post and are not interested in ranking points or trophies would like some ideas of ways to restart playing safely and giving themselves the greatest opportunity to play while many still can but doing so as safely as is possible. It doesn't have to be tomorrow. I know that the Worthing Committee discussed that recently and we also did in Brighton last week, our chairman Jim plans to post the ideas when he returns from holiday. Brighton have 3 venues that have tables and would like them to used if we can. It gives the game some chance of surviving. Which are the three venues Matt? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 21:46:53 GMT
Well, I've certainly opened a can of worms with this one. First of all, I do personally respect and follow the rules and advice as it stands, I wear a mask on the bus and will do so for shopping from the 24th without protest. And the b/b table which we own in the pub remains covered up with no play allowed.
I am allowed by own opinion - yes ? - and chose to disagree with Lewis, nothing personal intended. The point I was making was simply this: Why should Kent, Surrey, Nothants and Sussex be told not to run Opens in 2020 if there is suddenly an opportunity to do so ? Oxon were okay, they got theirs in. AEBBA are still hopeful of staging the Grand Prix, having already sacrificed the Nationals they run themselves to accommodate the possibility of said Opens.
It looks like we will get 'Jersey' this year, but if none of the other Opens are allowed to take place, Grand Prix qualification will have to be on the basis of the W/C points only.
At no time have I ever suggested that tournaments should take place without it being absolutely safe to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 22:12:51 GMT
As was set out in the last AEBBA statement, the Grand Prix will only be staged if it is both ‘safe’ in the view of the committee and viable.
It is an event that is perhaps easier to make ‘safe’ given the low participation numbers - although there will still be some risk attached. I’d anticipate that masks, sanitisers and social distancing would still be a must.
The viability, however, is wholly contingent on the ability for County Open events to proceed. If they don’t, then it won’t.
I’d imagine that it will not be considered based on performances at only 3 or 4 events - and so would be cancelled.
These decisions will be finalised at the AGM in September.
Regards,
Lorin
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Post by grant on Jul 21, 2020 22:57:25 GMT
From a personal perspective, I've had major heart surgery in 2013 and take enough pills a day, that if I jump in the air I sound like a pair of maracas. However, life is full of risk. I personally feel that we are at no more risk playing billiards than going to the supermarket or to work. Clean the balls before the match starts and your hands before and after each game etc...... If we dont start playing this silly game we know and love/hate so much soon, there will not be a game or venues to come back to, so all this discussion will be irrelvant. I'm not saying the time is right just yet, but hopefully it will be soon.
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Post by jordans on Jul 22, 2020 8:37:09 GMT
Wow - all I did was put a little post up saying that the Bucks Open for this year would be cancelled :(
I apologise if this has upset some people, but we decided as a committee that with the situation and the not knowing when things will be 'safe' it was MORE 'safe' to cancel it. We would have been devastated if someone had become ill because of a tournament we had run and the fall out it would have caused for many others.
I can assure you that, if we are able, the Open will run next year on Sunday 8th August 2021.
Hope you are all staying safe and well.
Dawn :)
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Post by daveuk1 on Jul 22, 2020 8:43:55 GMT
I don't think its a case of players wanting to play again just so they can get their ranking points. But in these unprecedented times may be the AEBBA should take the bold step to say no opens or tournaments played this year will carry ranking points.
It should be down to individual counties to decide if they can hold their tournaments safely. I believe that for this year only AEBBA should announce all ranking tournaments are cancelled and any points already awarded will be null and void. Counties can of course still hold their own tournaments if they wish.
Individuals can make their own choice as to whether they play or not but we need to get playing our game at local level with leagues resuming and see how that goes before anyone can think of holding national tournaments.
Just my thoughts
Dave
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Post by barbelman on Jul 22, 2020 9:36:36 GMT
I 100% agree with Jean when she says that local leagues are the priority, and these all have different age profiles and priorities but are the bedrock of the game. Let's get these running again as soon as it's safe and then see about national competitions. It is unfair to put pressure on organisers (who would be ultimately responsible) and other players who may feel pressured into playing an open against their will in order to maintain their "position" The vaccine situation is looking VERY hopeful (despite Matt's gloom! ) and we will be playing next year but it is not the priority. Use compassion and common-sense and get the UK safe, then we can work on the niceties like BB opens. I am 70, VERY dodgy lungs and I WOULD die if I got coronavirus...I want to go out again please - it's been a long time! Tony |
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Post by johnslee on Jul 22, 2020 13:10:41 GMT
Hi all just a few lines on a few of my thoughts. First common sense prevails well done Dawn on your caring decision over Bucks open safety of all must come first. I also agree entirely with Jean,Dave and Tony's thoughts about starting to play.It has to start at grass roots, local games in counties local pubs and leagues,slowly start to test the water.
It's a great game and it will continue to be so however on a local issue Tarratt looks to be taking tables out of some pubs which could seriously compromise local leagues especially Billingshurst.I know John Tidy is aware and monitoring the situation. Let's keep fingers crossed.
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