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Post by chessking on Sept 9, 2021 18:54:17 GMT
I start my break and the bar is up. Only one ball on the table and it is in front of a white peg barely touching, but not leaning. No way I can play directly at the ball without knocking the peg over. So I try to bank the cue to get it from the side, but miss entirely, and the cue goes directly in a back hole. Now I know this is a foul, but what is the penalty?
Also the other player has to start his break from a disadvantage, playing the same shot I whiffed on. Now there was no intention on my part to misplay the ball, nor make a mockery of the game, only a misplay. Does the other player have to play that certain foul shot? In snooker there would be free ball so my foul would not hinder the opponents game, but I see nothing in the rules for such an exception.
Bear in mind I'm new to this game and still learning
Mark
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Post by Q on Sept 10, 2021 13:49:57 GMT
I start my break and the bar is up. Only one ball on the table and it is in front of a white peg barely touching, but not leaning. No way I can play directly at the ball without knocking the peg over. So I try to bank the cue to get it from the side, but miss entirely, and the cue goes directly in a back hole. Now I know this is a foul, but what is the penalty?
Also the other player has to start his break from a disadvantage, playing the same shot I whiffed on. Now there was no intention on my part to misplay the ball, nor make a mockery of the game, only a misplay. Does the other player have to play that certain foul shot? In snooker there would be free ball so my foul would not hinder the opponents game, but I see nothing in the rules for such an exception. Bear in mind I'm new to this game and still learning
Mark
Good question 1. Your penalty is loss of break, your ball didn't touch another ball 2. If the ball is touching the peg it will be returned to the tray before your opponent plays, if that is the only ball on the table your opponent then takes the 'break' shot
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Post by chessking on Sept 10, 2021 15:02:56 GMT
Thank you Q for the clarification on the penalty, but what about the free ball aspect. What if the ball is not touching the peg, but there is barely some daylight between, the other player must then take a difficult shot because I fouled. Had I played the ball directly, I still would have fouled, but the opponent would have had a different look. Is that just the breaks? Maybe I'm overthinking this. Mark
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Post by daveuk1 on Sept 10, 2021 16:55:13 GMT
Hmmmm, overthinking the rules of bar billiards is never a good thing.
Just to make you think a little harder though,,,,, in 4 pin if a ball is touching a peg but the peg hasnt moved it is left in place until it is either moved or returned as the nearest/last ball. If how ever the peg is moved then the peg is left in place until the end of the break and only then is it replaced on its spot and if a ball is preventing this that ball is removed and returned to the tray.
Just about every player I know, both 3 and 4 pin are sportsmen or women and would never deliberately play to miss a ball
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Post by Chris_Sav on Sept 10, 2021 17:28:36 GMT
2. If the ball is touching the peg it will be returned to the tray before your opponent plays, if that is the only ball on the table your opponent then takes the 'break' shot Only if the skittle is leaning.
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Post by Chris on Sept 10, 2021 17:32:03 GMT
Agree with Sav only if it is leaning otherwise they have to play it
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Post by Chris on Sept 10, 2021 17:34:27 GMT
But they could do the same as you and come off the side
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Post by Chris on Sept 10, 2021 17:35:50 GMT
Or many can do it as a direct shot without knocking the peg over. Depends on the skill of the player.
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