Today's table values

[taffy]

Just thought I'd open a thread to discuss the value of tables.

Jelks are - in November 2021 asking around £2,500-£3,000.
Sams are asking around £2,000 both on ebay.

the Jelks which are 'for sale at £*****' while the Sams are sometimes more likely to be bid on. They are coming down all the time and are hovering around the £1,250-£1,400 mark which is still around 50-70% higher than November 2019...24-months ago.

I think they will still come down but it is unclear to me what is happening to the Jelks as the prices asked aren't gained and they don't appear againat lower prices.

Rileys seem to get to £900 but push on because they are the cheapest thing left.

There is definately a dirth of tables though at the moment. Are they already in man caves never to appear again?


Taffy

[tommo III]

Interesting topic ........

Table sales are in a state of flux at the moment.

Ten or more years ago I studied these avidly and noticed certain trends developing. At the end of a 3 year analysis I was able to state a general changing-hands value of £600 for Jelkes, £500 for SAMS and £400 for Rileys - of average condition. For a genuine original untampered Jelkes or SAMS the price could reach £1000. Rileys can look nice when refurbished but tend to get shunned by players as none to our knowledge are used by Leagues.

There were many "mongrels" of which Sav and I took great pleasure in pinpointing their shortcomings .... one even had the legs glued on upside down ! Other features we were running under the microscope were slate condition, timers, pockets, and of course thread damage on legs through mishandling.

Then of course there were modern 'Supremes', advertised for £500 all too soon after having been purchased new for £1200.

In recent years the trend has been for asking prices to inflate, thanks largely to speculators: refurbishment firms popping up, buying cheap, a quick cosmetic tart-up and then asking anything up to £2k for re-sale on eBay........ Caveat emptor !

As time goes on, geniune kit is bound to become rarer to find, and some of the best of these will already have been snapped up by private operators such as yourself, offering them to pubs for rental/profit share in the absence of the Table Operators which have ceased to provide the service.

So yes, values appear to have increased recently, and maybe have even doubled since ten years ago. But nobody in their right mind would pay more than £2000 for a table - no matter how impressive !

tommo

[daveuk1]

Nov 17, 2021 11:50:07 GMT tommo III said:

Interesting topic ........But nobody in their right mind would pay more than £2000 for a table - no matter how impressive !

tommo

2 grand a table, that's cheap, offer me £4K and you can have my standard width Sams table and I'll chuck in a narrow Sam's, then I'll have enough money to buy an over priced jelkes off fleabay

[davejones]

Nov 17, 2021 11:50:07 GMT tommo III said:

Interesting topic ........

Table sales are in a state of flux at the moment.

Ten or more years ago I studied these avidly and noticed certain trends developing. At the end of a 3 year analysis I was able to state a general changing-hands value of £600 for Jelkes, £500 for SAMS and £400 for Rileys - of average condition. For a genuine original untampered Jelkes or SAMS the price could reach £1000. Rileys can look nice when refurbished but tend to get shunned by players as none to our knowledge are used by Leagues.

There were many "mongrels" of which Sav and I took great pleasure in pinpointing their shortcomings .... one even had the legs glued on upside down ! Other features we were running under the microscope were slate condition, timers, pockets, and of course thread damage on legs through mishandling.

Then of course there were modern 'Supremes', advertised for £500 all too soon after having been purchased new for £1200.

In recent years the trend has been for asking prices to inflate, thanks largely to speculators: refurbishment firms popping up, buying cheap, a quick cosmetic tart-up and then asking anything up to £2k for re-sale on eBay........ Caveat emptor !

As time goes on, geniune kit is bound to become rarer to find, and some of the best of these will already have been snapped up by private operators such as yourself, offering them to pubs for rental/profit share in the absence of the Table Operators which have ceased to provide the service.

So yes, values appear to have increased recently, and maybe have even doubled since ten years ago. But nobody in their right mind would pay more than £2000 for a table - no matter how impressive !

tommo

And quite a few tables with the timer missing and you are asked to pay extra for the timer which should be included in the asking price?

[Q]

Now we have someone wanting £4,000 for a narrow table

eBay table

[tommo III]

Agree, ludicrous ..... even the starting bid of 2.5k is way over the odds.

Postscript  - no bids were made for this, unsurprisingly   - ct 05/08/23


The other one (at North Ferriby) might be worth a look over by Taffy - I know he favours that configuration with the slots for cues etc.

[taffy]

last week a a decent "all there" Sams made £2,050 on ebay. That's the first time I've seen that and no longer based on Covid-19 and 'the man's shed'.

I guess you can't change 70 years history....

Taffy