Windmill Southwick

[bigtj]

This weekend sees the end to another venue with the closing of the Windmill. Given very short notice as manager was only told Monday pack your bags and find somewhere to live we are closing for good this weekend. Another example of where the danger to our game surviving is going to come from, the demise of venues.

[enzo]

Sad to see it go, but based on this I understand you're intending to play out of the Gardeners for the inter-league? :-/ This is our base for the Worthing D team so isn't it a problem with 2 teams playing from there? If so couldn't the Henty be an option? :)

[BB Warrior]

Aug 12, 2010 8:24:49 GMT enzo said:

Sad to see it go, but based on this I understand you're intending to play out of the Gardeners for the inter-league? :-/ This is our base for the Worthing D team so isn't it a problem with 2 teams playing from there? If so couldn't the Henty be an option? :)

No problem with 2 Inter League Teams playing out of the same venue - as long as the Inter League Fixture Secretary knows that of course! ;)

Worthing A & B shared the Marquis of Granby 2 seasons ago, Redhill A & B played out of the Old Oak last season and Mid-Sussex A & B both play out of the Hurst Club...... so it is entirely up to the individual teams and captains to sort out where they wish to play from. 8-)

to hear that the Windmill is definitely closing at last...... :'( :'(

[bigtj]

I see no problem with two teams at one venue, but know some concern that we are not utilising the venues available. Always seems logical to play where a good number of your inter league side play their league games.

[enzo]

Thats great news, it does make sense to play out of a venue that we're all familiar with. We are based there for the Brighton and Worthing Winter leagues next year as well as just the Brighton Summer league this year, so I can't think of a better place.

Although I'd rather not be master of that table and jack of the rest, hence why I was trying to suggest other venues to give us a season's experience on a new table.

Its a great venue, we're good friends with the lanlord, and it accomodates well - especially for minimum 14 players in the inter-league, with our exclusive half of the pub ;)

Might be wise to get hold of your number TJ, as wouldn't want to clash nights in the future, plus need to let you know about the friendly.

[SirKT]

Worthing A & B shared the Marquis of Granby 2 seasons ago

Sorry Dave, but it was only the A side that played at the Marquis. The B`s have been at the Swan for years.
As for two teams playing from one house in Inter League, i`m not happy about it.
I would prefer one of you to go to the Henty .
Vernon supports the Worthing league very well, it would be a shame if he or any other Landlord/Landlady got upset about Worthing teams playing all the way out at Portslade when there are venues available around Worthing.
Just remember, without these pubs, THERE WILL BE NO LEAGUE !

It isn`t crucial that you have any Home players from the pub you are using, we proved that last season at the Ball Tree when beating both the teams that finished ahead of us.

[dipper]

Worthing `A` inter-league team to play at the Atlas next season way out of Worthing!

[SirKT]

Aug 17, 2010 16:25:45 GMT dipper said:

Worthing `A` inter-league team to play at the Atlas next season way out of Worthing!

Unfortunately yes Roger, but my issue is about two teams playing on one table, when there would be Home players if they used the Dolphin, Henty or West Tarring club :-/

[enzo]

Well if its going to cause that much upset then obviously we'll look into it further, it wasn't set in stone, but obviously we assumed it would be fine. We haven't dismissed the option to play out of multiple venues each game. Some of us just don't like the way we're being pushed into venues we simply don't want to play from, and we're not happy either - being told rather than asked or suggested to.

Being branded as playing as Worthing D team and playing out of a 'Brighton' table and going out to Southwick/Portslade is the same as going the other way to Ferring/Angmering to the Henty, which is leaning more towards a 'Littlehampton' table.

We understand that other venues need to be used to keep them in the league, but no-one is playing from the Dolphin or WTC in the inter-league now so they're not really missing out. The wrong attitude to have, granted, but its still a fact.

Saying that we aren't 'Home' players from here isn't quite true as over half the team are currently playing here in the Brighton summer league, and will play out of here for the Worthing and Brighton winter leagues. We want to keep this venue happy also. We arranged to get the Gardeners table in there for a reason and we intend to use it.

We have our match tonight and I hope we can come to an agreement that keeps everyone happy. I'm proposing a multi-venue team to keep the peace as this is far too much politics for me, we're supposed to be enjoying it.

[bigtj]

Agree with you Loz that too much politics goes on in what is an amateur game played in a public house. The Sussex AGM confirmed the rule that only two teams can play out of one venue for inter-league purposes, and this was brought in to avoid what happened with fixture congestion when Redhill had three teams in one venue that only had one table.
My own opinion is we should be out to enjoy the night ( sure everyone tries when on the table, but we certainly as a team go out for the company and the banter ), you should not be pushed into a corner where you end up playing from somewhere you are not happy with. In these times we do need to support pubs that support the league, but also I think we should balance this with the fact that if we have a strong representation from a particular venue then perhaps that venue will at least have a reasonable chance of surviving these hard times and survive as a venue that will see bar billiards prosper.
I do go along with Kevins thinking as far as the whole picture is concerned, but also feel you must in the end do what you and your other players feel is right for you to go along and continue to enjoy your evening. Lastly we have to remember you are introducing a new age of players and may even be able to encourage more to play, because behind the demise of venues, we also need to keep introducing new blood ( we have plenty approaching zimmer frame time).

Speaking as a former interleague captain, as far as I am aware you don't have to be bound to just one venue, although as TJ says it seems logical to do so in the interests of home advantage.

I can remember one season in Horsham when we used four different venues, and it seemed to work 'spreading the choice around' as we had two players based at each of the venues.

The only no-go is three teams playing from a single venue which caused a logistical nightmare when Redhill tried it and it was put a stop to !

[bobhall]

at the end of the day an interleague team is not based of players it is based on a number of the top players who wish to play and from different teams no matter what table ur based at doesnt matter as long as the pub is in business getting a turn over and getting busier. the windmill was a large but run down pub the beer was poor and the service was less desired. but it wasnt the venue we went there for it was the company and that will carry on at a new venue

[BB Warrior]

Aug 17, 2010 17:38:57 GMT SirKT said:

Aug 17, 2010 16:25:45 GMT dipper said:

Worthing `A` inter-league team to play at the Atlas next season way out of Worthing!

Unfortunately yes Roger, but my issue is about two teams playing on one table, when there would be Home players if they used the Dolphin, Henty or West Tarring club :-/

I agree entirely that, in these difficult times for pubs, we should try to support the venues that we use as much as possible....... if our game is to continue, we need them as much as they need us.   :-/

Having said that, the Henty already has teams playing out of it on 3 nights of the week (Littlehampton, West Sussex and Worthing Leagues), the Dolphin did not have a team last season (or this season?) so presumably nobody is looking after the table there....... and West Tarring Club is normally closed on a Sunday evening, although I do understand that they would possibly be prepared to open if one of the Inter League teams decided to play there.   ???

Possibly, as it is the new "Headquarters" for the Worthing League, the "A" Team should play from there rather than the Atlas..... which has 4 teams playing in 2 different Leagues and is already well supported.....  ???

However, I strongly believe that the choice of a venue is down to the individual teams and players involved...... we all want to play the game with people that we like at a venue we enjoy..... Enzo and his team were responsible for getting a table put in at The Gardeners, which has given us a new venue to play from.....  8-) .....with some of their players already playing there 2 nights a week it will give them the opportunity to learn the table and provide us with a new Inter League team, made up mainly of the young players that are the future of our game.   ;)

They...... and the new venue that they have found for us...... should be encouraged and supported, not made to feel that they are being pushed to play at venues that they don't want to be at.   :P

[rickc]

Well put Dave, I totally agree.

[SirKT]

Good luck to Loz and the boys then, hope you enjoy your 1st Inter League season  ;)