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Post by peetee on Nov 3, 2011 23:43:31 GMT
Spoken to League members and some committee members regarding the 4 player rule and each member came up with a different version.
This is the rule...
A team must have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team only has 4 players available for a league match, the draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn.
A player can now play twice, once at home and once away this was passed at the AGM proposed Alan Lowe seconded by Dave Rose.
I will be calling a meeting to discuss this rule in the meantime please add your comments if you wish.
cheers
Pete
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Post by milko on Nov 4, 2011 4:18:08 GMT
Spoken to League members and some committee members regarding the 4 player rule and each member came up with a different version. This is the rule... A team must have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team only has 4 players available for a league match, the draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn. I will be calling a meeting to discuss this rule in the meantime please add your comments if you wish. cheers Pete confused .com ;D Isn't there an extra bit to this rule, now, saying "Each player can use this rule once at Home and once Away during the season" ? Keith |
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Post by Ian Gordon on Nov 4, 2011 18:09:56 GMT
Spoken to League members and some committee members regarding the 4 player rule and each member came up with a different version. This is the rule... A team must have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team only has 4 players available for a league match, the draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn. I will be calling a meeting to discuss this rule in the meantime please add your comments if you wish. cheers Pete confused .com ;D What's difficult to understand about this rule? This wasn't how it was played last night! The way we played it last night was very similar to the way Wallingford do it. Which they were actually trying to get changed at the AGM just gone! Ian |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2011 13:12:58 GMT
it was as i said thurs night pete, your second game is classed as the four man rule game and does not get the break no matter where drawn, as i understand it mark traf was drawn first and last although the first game was the four man game, as the rule says the second game is deemed to be the four man rule so he should have had the break in the first game as they were at home.
if this was not the case then they can appeal to the committee to have this one game played again if they followed the rule that the card must be sighned under protest
tookey
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Post by gandalf the untidy on Nov 6, 2011 12:11:26 GMT
Spoken to League members and some committee members regarding the 4 player rule and each member came up with a different version. This is the rule... A team must have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team only has 4 players available for a league match, the draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn. I will be calling a meeting to discuss this rule in the meantime please add your comments if you wish. cheers Pete confused .com ;D Hi Peetee Eastbourne played it differently when we had 5 man matches (we now have 4 man matches), we have tried drawing a player to play twice but it was deemed to be a disadvantage to the 5 man team generally the better committed players tend to turn up ad its the weaker player that drops out and a player drawn from the remaining pack has more advantage having already played on the table.This probably has more effect in Eastbourne as we have a high ratio of weaker players, it was therefore decided to simply give the game as a walkover to 5 man team. the disadvantage being that 1 of the 5 man team doesn't get a game, so we play a friendly at the end. regs cs |
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Post by Ian Gordon on Nov 6, 2011 20:46:01 GMT
it was as i said thurs night pete, your second game is classed as the four man rule game and does not get the break no matter where drawn, as i understand it mark traf was drawn first and last although the first game was the four man game, as the rule says the second game is deemed to be the four man rule so he should have had the break in the first game as they were at home. if this was not the case then they can appeal to the committee to have this one game played again if they followed the rule that the card must be sighned under protest tookey Dave As we won the points in the games that this concerns we will not be putting in a complaint. Ian |
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Post by peetee on Nov 7, 2011 18:35:23 GMT
Spoken to League members and some committee members regarding the 4 player rule and each member came up with a different version. This is the rule... A team must have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team only has 4 players available for a league match, the draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn. I will be calling a meeting to discuss this rule in the meantime please add your comments if you wish. cheers Pete confused .com ;D Isn't there an extra bit to this rule, now, saying "Each player can use this rule once at Home and once Away during the season" ? Keith Yes that's true champ. Bit tired to carry on last Thurs ;D |
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Post by Sir Chancelot on Nov 7, 2011 19:38:47 GMT
Wish we had this rule in Guernsey.
Then we may have had a match this week instead of a cancellation due to Mace dining out with The Princess Royal in Guernsey.
Watch your language luver ::) ::) ::)
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Post by milhouse on Nov 8, 2011 17:01:27 GMT
it was as i said thurs night pete, your second game is classed as the four man rule game and does not get the break no matter where drawn, as i understand it mark traf was drawn first and last although the first game was the four man game, as the rule says the second game is deemed to be the four man rule so he should have had the break in the first game as they were at home. if this was not the case then they can appeal to the committee to have this one game played again if they followed the rule that the card must be sighned under protest tookey So what i was saying on the night then was correct! Wonder if we will get any admission/apology from the other team that they were wrong on this occasion after insisting they were correct?! |
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Post by delboy on Nov 9, 2011 16:58:31 GMT
Someone some where has twisted this rule how can it be right if the player who has to play twice gains a benefit from his name coming out of the hat the second time surely the first time you are drawn out that is your first game no matter where you end up in order of play. Easy way round this if you cant put out full team the opponents get a walkover.
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Post by bobhall on Nov 9, 2011 17:13:49 GMT
I would think that you would have 5 players one does not show so that draw with that name on the person that has not shown the name gets removed and the other 4 players name gets mixed up and where they are drawn they play it is not rocket science. and the game is a bit of fun so lets keep it that way guys and girls. so lets all go out have a good time win big and enjoy the night
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Post by milhouse on Nov 11, 2011 0:09:36 GMT
Someone some where has twisted this rule how can it be right if the player who has to play twice gains a benefit from his name coming out of the hat the second time surely the first time you are drawn out that is your first game no matter where you end up in order of play. Easy way round this if you cant put out full team the opponents get a walkover. The rule quoted is how every other team has played the 4 player rule! Not quite sure where you are coming from here? How can someone gain an advantage from playing twice when you automatically lose the break in the 2nd game if you have it? Yes, on this occasion (If played correctly) it would have meant that i would have had the break in my normal game instead of being against, but that is just the luck of the draw! It could quite have easily gone the other way! If you can remember, i put in a proposal into the AGM the year before last to say that if you had only 4 players, you would automatically lose a break, so you would always be penalised for only having 4 players, but it was you that said it was too complicated and therefore rejected! Whereas it was a lot simpler than this rule - even though this is easy enough to understand! |
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Post by Colemanator on Nov 11, 2011 12:18:28 GMT
How many times do you allow a 'team' to play the 4 man rule in a season?
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Post by milko on Nov 11, 2011 13:12:03 GMT
How many times do you allow a 'team' to play the 4 man rule in a season? Hi Ian That's a good question and where our rule could be changed. Every player signed on can use it once at home and once away, so if you have 16 players in one team then a "team" can use it 16 times at home and away, if there was enough games ! I think a "team" should only be able to use it a max 5 times at home and 5 times away. Keith |
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Post by milko on Nov 11, 2011 13:26:57 GMT
On my computer I have found an updated version of the 4 player rule done in 2008 with a couple of changes from the original but I can’t remember if this got proposed and accepted by the committee or at the AGM?
I know there were a couple of problems a few years ago, e.g.
1. A team refused to use the 4 player rule when turning up with just 3 players.
2. Two teams playing each other both used the 4 player rule and then each teams redrawn player was drawn against each other in their 2nd game, so the question on the night was "who has the break in their 2nd game?"
The underlined sentences are to do with the above and are not down in the OBBA rules that I updated and were accepted at the AGM in 2007. Also the part in (brackets) is the new part of the rule that got accepted at the 2009/10 ? AGM.
NEW FOUR PLAYER LEAGUE RULE
A team must still have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team has less than 5 players available for a league match, they are required to use the four player rule if they have players who have not used it already in the season. The draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player.
The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn, unless two (redrawn) players have to play each other later in the match after both playing their first games earlier in the match with or both against the breaks, then the player in the draw with the break will be allowed to have the break again.
(A player can only play a second game once at home and once away during the season) and cannot claim highest away score or break from his second game, nor would a win count as a win for that player only for the team. If all the available players had already played a second game during the season the team would have to forfeit the point. This rule applies in league matches only, and NOT in TEAM KNOCK OUT matches. If any player plays more than one extra game in a season they would lose all points in any extra game they had played.
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Post by Colemanator on Nov 11, 2011 13:49:58 GMT
Northants only allow it to be played a total of four times in one season, so compared to Oxon it seems a bit draconian,and it would appear that team in oxon could in effect just play with four players all season?
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Post by peetee on Nov 11, 2011 16:49:51 GMT
On my computer I have found an updated version of the 4 player rule done in 2008 with a couple of changes from the original but I can’t remember if this got proposed and accepted by the committee or at the AGM? I know there were a couple of problems a few years ago, e.g. 1. A team refused to use the 4 player rule when turning up with just 3 players. 2. Two teams playing each other both used the 4 player rule and then each teams redrawn player was drawn against each other in their 2nd game, so the question on the night was "who has the break in their 2nd game?" The underlined sentences are to do with the above and are not down in the OBBA rules that I updated and were accepted at the AGM in 2007. Also the part in (brackets) is the new part of the rule that got accepted at the 2009/10 ? AGM. NEW FOUR PLAYER LEAGUE RULE A team must still have at least 5 players signed on to enter the league. When a team has less than 5 players available for a league match, they are required to use the four player rule if they have players who have not used it already in the season. The draw is made in the usual way with the absent players card in the draw and entered on the card as drawn, but without the missing players name. Then one of the signed on players (if eligible) is drawn to play in place of the missing player. The games are then played as drawn with the first game the redrawn player plays to be classed as their own game and the second game they play is their extra game. In their second game they cannot have the break regardless of where they are drawn, unless two (redrawn) players have to play each other later in the match after both playing their first games earlier in the match with or both against the breaks, then the player in the draw with the break will be allowed to have the break again.(A player can only play a second game once at home and once away during the season) and cannot claim highest away score or break from his second game, nor would a win count as a win for that player only for the team. If all the available players had already played a second game during the season the team would have to forfeit the point. This rule applies in league matches only, and NOT in TEAM KNOCK OUT matches. If any player plays more than one extra game in a season they would lose all points in any extra game they had played. June 2008 AGM. Rules underlined are at present being added to the 4 player rule which I am preparing to send out to all our teams. |
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