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Post by Baby Guinness on Jan 3, 2012 22:25:14 GMT
DRAW FOR TEAM KNOCK-OUT CUP
To be played on Wednesday 25th January 2012
Greyhound v Mill House @ Woolpack
Brewers Bravos v Plough @ St Francis
Watermill ‘B’ v Brewers Arms @ 8 Bells
Laughing Fish v Hurst ‘A’ @ Watermill
Please send all results to LORRAINE
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Post by bobhall on Jan 25, 2012 18:24:38 GMT
Good luck to those playing tonight
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Post by bobhall on Jan 25, 2012 22:50:02 GMT
Laughing Fish 1 Hurst A 4
H B/P Papa 4050 Andy B/P Bobhall 2650 Jamie 1000 Mama Hall 4260 Les B/P Jenny 2640 Jim 3400 Pete B/P
Watermill B 1 Brewers Arms 4 Brewers Bravos 2 Plough 3
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 23:46:37 GMT
To complete the set.......
Greyhound 0, Mill House Z 5 (played at the Woolpack). Peter Burchell 1390, Barry Timson 2700 Neil Burchell 1520, Alan Downs 1680 Trevor Rees 2070, Johnny Haigh 2120 .....and that was that. No luck going the way of the Greyhound, games 2 and 3 being won on the last ball. With the pressure offThe last two games played in a more relaxed vein...... Paul Goodwin 1530, tommo 7080 Ted Stringer 1520, Graham Daniels 5250
Many thanks to hosts the Woolpack for providing tasty sandwiches and refusing the captains' offer of payment. And we had live entertainment in the form of a Trad Jazz Band....Which reminds me, our thoughts are with our player John Turner who has has a recent heart scare (necessitating surgery) and is currently in East Surrey hospital, due home this weekend.
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Post by bobhall on Jan 25, 2012 23:53:47 GMT
my team told me the break was lovely but never got the balls back so dont know
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Post by H on Jan 26, 2012 0:52:21 GMT
Just a slight comment, only because I feel the need. Our match against Hurst A was played in good spirits, and I'm sure the outcome wasn't really affected, but the table was truly terrible tonight. I know the guys who run the Watermill, and the resident team and I am sure none of them are intentionally setting up the table to be difficult, but it really was one of the worst tops I have played on this season - given the pedigree playing there tonight, you would expect a lot more.
Nonetheless, the venue were good hosts - the lack of food was understandable due to a certain absent captain, but we thank them for allowing us to bring in our takeaway sausage and chips in from the chippy up the road. Nice atmopshere, and a nice few pints were had. Good luck to Hurst in the next round!
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 26, 2012 10:04:32 GMT
Just a slight comment, only because I feel the need. Our match against Hurst A was played in good spirits, and I'm sure the outcome wasn't really affected, but the table was truly terrible tonight. I know the guys who run the Watermill, and the resident team and I am sure none of them are intentionally setting up the table to be difficult, but it really was one of the worst tops I have played on this season - given the pedigree playing there tonight, you would expect a lot more. Just a small observation from a neutral..... I tend to find that the scores are usually much better at any venue when you avoid the Black Peg..... ::) ;D Laughing Fish 1 Hurst A 4 H B/P Papa 4050 Andy B/P Bobhall 2650 Jamie 1000 Mama Hall 4260 Les B/P Jenny 2640 Jim 3400 Pete B/PJust a little thought for the future.... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by specialone on Jan 27, 2012 23:22:31 GMT
As someone who has a policy of neither criticising or praising (criticism by omission) tables, I should not enter this debate. I shall just walk away. 'The hell I will', John Wayne. H, it is not good enough simply to describe a table as 'truly terrible'. When being that critical you must justify and qualify your criticism. Was it rolling badly left, badly right, uphill, or downhill? The scores suggest to me it was playable. Some tables are set up in a manor to assist very high scoring. Some are set up just to be straight. It is up to the player to get the break and make a score. I am sure if you post the details of what is 'truly terrible' about the Watermill table, they will have a go at improving it. Shaun
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Post by H on Jan 28, 2012 0:32:51 GMT
Shaun. As always I take your challenge, with no bad blood.
The table was violently uphill. The break was there, not that I had a shot at it. Being uphill it would roll out to each edge, however, the conventional ways of adapting for this did not work - you can either - 1) Apply extra pace to counter the roll = ball whip out of pocket; 2) Apply side to the ball to counter the roll = ball whip out of pocket; 3) Use less pace, but adapt to the roll by playing the ball to one side of where it should be = total chaos. I'm afraid, without wanting to sound too arrogant - I am used to adapting to difficulties with tables. This was just frustrating to max. I'm not saying I am definately right, I'm just giving my view.
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Post by specialone on Jan 28, 2012 9:08:19 GMT
That's fine. The custodians of the table now have some constructive criticism, and an idea of what the cure might be. Shaun
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 10:30:36 GMT
That's fine. The custodians of the table now have some constructive criticism, and an idea of what the cure might be. Shaun Sounds like a simple case of dropping the back legs, unless they want it to continue being a 'lottery'. :-/
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Post by toby1000 on Jan 28, 2012 10:56:03 GMT
Regarding the statement by Henry saying that our top was the worst he had played on this season.Two weeks prior to that we had a Sussex singles match there and that was the best match I have seen.Mr Norman, Kim and Martin just stood and watched and admired the play at the end the winner said it was the best table he had played on all season.Cannot remember their names the winner was from Eastbourne and the other from Worthing.The winner broke of with about 13,000 in the first game I think which won that game the other player did almost the same in the second game and won that one and it was just winning the toss for the decider which won the game.Richard Jefferies played a singles game later and the table was fine then as well.The table has not been moved or touched since those games.We played on there last night and it was fine at least our table has not been set up so people can achieve very high scores it is set up to suit everybody.As for there being no food available I thought it was up to the home team captain or one of the team to ring up and organise it I would like to know what was meant by a certain absent captain do you mean Martin if so we were playing elsewhere and anyway it is not his job to organise your food.As someone else has said you should keep away from the black peg then you might have chance of winning.All in all it sounds like sour grapes to me what would have happened if your team had won not much I expect.
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Post by bobhall on Jan 28, 2012 11:26:06 GMT
Right now here is my views on the table. and i for one know people hate me so lets go, the table was tricky on wednesday but i just had to say what will be will be i did what i felt i had to to win i learnt from the 1st game to get the balls back would be hard and it was, the pockets were very whippy but so be it i know that hurst has that problems sometime, as for the food statement that was not meant at martin that was meant at there own team captain but gavin was kind to let us get fish and chips.
The two in question of the singles was paul barnett and gandalf the untidy but you should see the table 1 of those has to play on so im sure they was glad to get out to a nuetral venue ;)
people have known me not to like the watermill top and i usually vocalise my opinion but i will say 1 thing it was running legal so i played it and i got a win i do say it was tricky and H is a great player and i was shocked when nothing would run for him, but papa hall was happy to be honest as he was hoping for revenge
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 11:31:41 GMT
A table can play great one night and bad the next without it having been touched, Toby. And on the face of it there can be no satisfactory explanation.
In this case I think you have to consider that there had been a lot of rain about this week. It sounds stupid but it can make a difference, tables being made of wood which expands and contracts and can become 'sticky' when there's moisture about.
Also, a simple case of someone being too enthusiastic and pulling the handle too fiercely can take a table off kilter.
I don't think there's any implication that your table is rigged! :o
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Post by toby1000 on Jan 28, 2012 12:00:19 GMT
There is no way any of us would rig the table one of the reasons being we would not know how to We have played on a couple of iffy tables this season one being the greyhound and Trevor apologised for the problems it caused everyone struggled.As for there being no food available was I correct in saying it was down to the laughing fishes captain or one of that team to organise the food and that it was not down to the Watermill B's captain to arrange it if so why is Henry moaning about it
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Post by BB Warrior on Jan 28, 2012 12:07:47 GMT
Just to put the records straight slightly here.... Regarding the statement by Henry saying that our top was the worst he had played on this season.Two weeks prior to that we had a Sussex singles match there and that was the best match I have seen.Mr Norman, Kim and Martin just stood and watched and admired the play at the end the winner said it was the best table he had played on all season.Cannot remember their names the winner was from Eastbourne and the other from Worthing.The winner broke of with about 13,000 in the first game I think which won that game the other player did almost the same in the second game and won that one and it was just winning the toss for the decider which won the game. The match that Toby refers to was a Sussex Over 50's competition and the scores were reported as follows... Colin Southouse v Paul Barnet at the WatermillColin 1 11.3K Paul 1 1.5k Colin 2 4.5k Paul 2 9.0k Colin 3 8.5k Paul 3 4.5k result Colin won 2-1in the decider, I got 6k and missed split, Paul followed up with 4.5k and missed split, great game, great table, great spectators. In the end the match was decided on a single shot So, not quite the huge scores referred to, but certainly very good scores (from two very good players) and a commendation for the table.... 8-) Having played at the Watermill myself about a month ago in the Sussex Captains Cup, I would have to say that the table played well that evening, although I would agree that it was slightly uphill on the night but certainly very playable and it was easy enough to allow for the outward drift that you always get on a table that is uphill. I seem to remember mentioning to Martin (who had kindly brushed and prepared the table for us when we arrived) that the break could be made easier (it needed a fair amount of left hand side) if the back legs were taken down half a turn, which was probably all it needed to make the table level IMHO. ;) As Tommo rightly says, the weather can have a major influence on some tables, as can changes in the level of heating etc, without the table having been moved or adjusted in any way..... sometimes simply brushing and ironing a table can make a huge difference to a table, the table at the Duke of Wellington in Shoreham is a very good example of that. ;) So, if you allow for the weather and perhaps that the table hadn't been prepared for the match, it is possible that it didn't play as well as it usually does..... it has always been a bit of a "thinking-mans" table, but once you work it out it is a good table that is usually very fair to both home and away teams. 8-)
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Post by bobhall on Jan 28, 2012 12:24:16 GMT
toby for crying out loud read everyones post i have all ready stated about the food and you carry on causing an argument discussion over
would tommo please close this thread from any more discussions
[as you've asked so nicely, yes, Bob]
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Post by Chris_Sav on Jan 28, 2012 12:56:05 GMT
I think it's time to ask EVERYBODY to cool it on this thread.
Enough criticism has been said and some of it is hardly constructive. Sort it out face to face at a committee meeting please.
No more lighting blue touch paper please!
Sav
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