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Post by peetee on Sept 13, 2012 22:38:27 GMT
Glad's B v Kennington
Vikings v Democrats
Masons A v Didcot CC
Would you believe it, Berinsfield have bye again.
Plate
Comrades v Dolphin
H/Ton CC v Masons B
Byes..Marlborough & Glad's A.
Just to let you know the draw.
Matches to be played later on in the new year.
Cheers
Pete
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 13, 2012 22:42:01 GMT
Oh thats going to start a few riots :p ;) ::D
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Post by craig mace on Sept 14, 2012 5:22:00 GMT
Glad's B v Kennington Vikings v Democrats Masons A v Didcot CC Would you believe it, Berinsfield have bye again. Plate Comrades v Dolphin H/Ton CC v Masons B Byes..Marlborough & Glad's A. Just to let you know the draw. Matches to be played later on in the new year. Cheers Pete If we loose in round 3 or semi's do we still get to go in plate as we haven't played a game in this yet?? |
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Post by rag on Sept 14, 2012 8:16:54 GMT
Hi Craig
the answer is no it is the luck of the draw and the plate will have played rounds already
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Post by milhouse on Sept 14, 2012 13:16:09 GMT
I just think this shows that the draws have to be done properly in the future and have all byes in the first round so this does not happen.
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 14, 2012 14:21:45 GMT
I just think this shows that the draws have to be done properly in the future and have all byes in the first round so this does not happen. to be fair mark it depends on how many teams enter, would we be treating it as an issue if any other teams got the bye? Its just luck of the draw at the end of the day, and i will be honest id rather draw kennington and play some billiards than walk into the semis but thats apparently how it goes. I dont think we should scrutinise the draw to such an extent if im being vastly diplomatic here. |
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Post by craig mace on Sept 14, 2012 14:56:50 GMT
Hi Craig the answer is no it is the luck of the draw and the plate will have played rounds already This seems hardly fair seeing as we have not had a say in this matter and as Phil said and i think the whole team would agree we would rather play billiards than get a bye straight through to semi's |
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Post by delboy on Sept 14, 2012 16:06:58 GMT
I just think this shows that the draws have to be done properly in the future and have all byes in the first round so this does not happen. The rules of the Scotland Ash Cup (Formeley Alan Wilmer cup) are that all teams were to enter in 1st round. |
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Post by beefy on Sept 14, 2012 16:30:09 GMT
What is the difference between one bye or many bye's unless you have an even number there has to be a bye so either way not everyone will play.
Delboy says everyone has to enter well they do enter along with the relevant number of bye's to get to the correct multiple of 1,2,4,8 etc - they are still in the draw and correct me if I am wrong but that would comply with the rules of entering all teams into the draw
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Post by delboy on Sept 14, 2012 16:34:39 GMT
What is the difference between one bye or many bye's unless you have an even number there has to be a bye so either way not everyone will play. Delboy says everyone has to enter well they do enter along with the relevant number of bye's to get to the correct multiple of 1,2,4,8 etc - they are still in the draw and correct me if I am wrong but that would comply with the rules of entering all teams into the draw What I meant was the competition has to start with all teams & no prelims to even it up at the beginning |
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Post by craig mace on Sept 14, 2012 16:58:12 GMT
What is the difference between one bye or many bye's unless you have an even number there has to be a bye so either way not everyone will play. Delboy says everyone has to enter well they do enter along with the relevant number of bye's to get to the correct multiple of 1,2,4,8 etc - they are still in the draw and correct me if I am wrong but that would comply with the rules of entering all teams into the draw What I meant was the competition has to start with all teams & no prelims to even it up at the beginning And what i'm saying is its unfair if Berinsfield miss the opportunity to enter plate if we loose our 1st game in this cup we didn't exactly ask for the bye's plus we paid competition entry fees to be given an equal chance so sorry this is totally unfair |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 14, 2012 18:50:00 GMT
I agree with you Craig that the rules do state that you should go into the plate, but the problem is that you will have to play down to the final of the main competition before you start the plate and i do not know if there is going to be time to do that.
Phil - I think you are being a bit paranoid thinking this is an issue just because it is Berinsfield.
Alan - Thanks for the clarification, didn't know it was a rule of the competition, just thought it was something Pete done to get all teams involved in the first week.
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Post by craig mace on Sept 14, 2012 18:55:16 GMT
I agree with you Craig that the rules do state that you should go into the plate, but the problem is that you will have to play down to the final of the main competition before you start the plate and i do not know if there is going to be time to do that. i'm sure something could be worked out but as i said before we have paid entry so why should we be excluded from the plate if we loose you could always have it that glads A play Marlborough get rid of the byes then we enter plate if we loose in semis seeing as there will only be 3 teams in the plate semi we play the 3rd team who should have the bye to make it 4 teams in plate if we magically win the semi in the cup the team in the plate with the bye go through to final |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 15, 2012 1:23:48 GMT
You say that you have "paid" to enter this competition, but correct me if i am wrong,when you enter the league it stipulates free entry into the KO cups ?
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Post by craig mace on Sept 15, 2012 5:28:18 GMT
You say that you have "paid" to enter this competition, but correct me if i am wrong,when you enter the league it stipulates free entry into the KO cups ? Scotland ash is a form of knockout cup with a plate area in it as well it states on entry form that you will be enterd into both the Scotland ash and the team knockout cup |
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 15, 2012 7:30:58 GMT
Mark im not saying issue in the context of everyones kicking off as its berinsfield who had the bye, i meant it in the way that you said we need to draw the competitions properly and such like when in all fairness, from where im sat anyway, they need only work with what they have at their disposal and given we had 13 teams rather than 16 (which would avoid the byes) we still have to dish out byes, otherwise we wouldnt be having this conversation.
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Post by Richard Stowe R.I.P. on Sept 16, 2012 20:41:38 GMT
:) ;) Phil the Glads B will gladly swap and have the bye, whilst you play Kennington. ;D
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Post by BigPhilMac on Sept 16, 2012 21:57:45 GMT
:) ;) Phil the Glads B will gladly swap and have the bye, whilst you play Kennington. ;D now this is where my statement bites back ;) |
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Post by peetee on Sept 17, 2012 18:11:17 GMT
What is the difference between one bye or many bye's unless you have an even number there has to be a bye so either way not everyone will play. Delboy says everyone has to enter well they do enter along with the relevant number of bye's to get to the correct multiple of 1,2,4,8 etc - they are still in the draw and correct me if I am wrong but that would comply with the rules of entering all teams into the draw This is correct. As in previous years this competition is played as the 1st match on the fixture list (except for a couple of times) involving all the teams, then bye's next round and this will continue until told differen't. I know it's the luck (or bad luck) of the draw and I do feel sorry for Berinsfield but sadly that's what happens at times. I was very surprised with all the comment's made, after all I only put the draw on the forum for all to see. This is the draw folks and that's it. Pete |
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Post by milhouse on Sept 17, 2012 23:56:34 GMT
What I meant was the competition has to start with all teams & no prelims to even it up at the beginning This is correct. As in previous years this competition is played as the 1st match on the fixture list (except for a couple of times) involving all the teams, then bye's next round and this will continue until told differen't. I know it's the luck (or bad luck) of the draw and I do feel sorry for Berinsfield but sadly that's what happens at times. I was very surprised with all the comment's made, after all I only put the draw on the forum for all to see. This is the draw folks and that's it. Pete Pete,i understand you are only following the set of rules as set out to you at the AGM. The main point on this is that if Berinsfield lose their semi-final game, will they get put into the plate competition? As far as i am aware, the competition states that you will go into the plate if you lose your FIRST match ? |
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Post by rag on Sept 18, 2012 10:01:32 GMT
There first match was a bye therfore they won
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Post by milko on Sept 18, 2012 11:59:00 GMT
I know it's "luck of the draw" but I think it would have been fairer on other teams and Berinsfield if Berinsfield had been put straight into the next rd rather than have a second bye :o then they could have gone into the plate if they lost their first match.
Too late now but maybe a rethink by the committee on how the draws done next year!
Keith
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Post by craig mace on Sept 18, 2012 15:56:47 GMT
There first match was a bye therfore they won A bye is not a game neither in anyway shape or form does it count as a game its simply a free pass to the next round i think its unfair that we don't get to go into the plate if we loose why should we not get the same chance as everyone else. |
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Post by Ian Gordon on Sept 18, 2012 17:02:19 GMT
Keith
I agree with you on this and think Berinsfield should of been left out of the draw and a card picked as to whether they were home or away in the upcoming round. This way they would of been able to enter the plate.
Ian
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Post by peetee on Sept 18, 2012 17:58:16 GMT
Stick my neck out and redraw......Their is no official rule about the plate competition only semi finals to be played on neutral tables
Thought so ;D
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Post by craig mace on Sept 18, 2012 18:01:44 GMT
Stick my neck out and redraw......Their is no official rule about the plate competition only semi finals to be played on neutral tables Thought so ;D so does this mean there will be a redraw? |
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Post by delboy on Sept 18, 2012 18:32:22 GMT
Just pick out one of the remaining teams & put Berinsfield in their place.
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Post by craig mace on Sept 18, 2012 18:38:10 GMT
Just pick out one of the remaining teams & put Berinsfield in their place. good shout just pick 1 tams card out of a hat and that's who we replace |
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Post by peetee on Oct 25, 2012 16:05:03 GMT
At the committee meeting held Wed it was agreed that a team will be pulled out of the original draw which will now have the bye and replaced with Berinsfield Club....So it was Glad's B who now have the bye and Berinsfield will now play Kennington Club at home in the next round.
Revised Draw
Berinsfield v Kennington
Vikings v Democrats
Masons A v Didcot CC
Glad's B..Bye
Plate as before
Comrades v Dolphin
HCC v Masons B
Byes.'Marlborough & Glad's A
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